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Tiger Titan [48820]
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Why is it like this?
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I'm not posting this on the Religion board because what I see there seems to be more of a discussion of philosophy and scripture and not addressing politics.
In encountering people of various walks of life and the current political climate, I notice a trend. It's certainly not everyone; I'm not even arguing it's most although anecdotally, it's starting to feel that way.
I find that most of those I'm encountering who profess to be Christian also do the following:
-Excuse any and all despicable and hateful behavior by Donald Trump, and often defend it.
-Exhibit subhuman hatred OR disdain/lack of empathy toward immigrants (unless they're white immigrants... I told the story a little while back of the FAFO family I know who has suddenly changed their tune now that a white immigrant in their family has been detained). This attitude extends to legal immigrants as well as illegal ones.
-Want more infusion of their beliefs into government and schools.
-Exhibit racist tendencies
-Seem pretty well committed to the words in the Bible... except those four crucial books that discuss Jesus.
-Label people with differing political views as evil and treat life as if they are Christian warriors against this evil. This part seems especially silly since Gawd doesn't need an army and has already mapped out what's going to happen... right?
-They have some really back ### views on women equality.
-The concept of forgiveness is lost on them. If anyone wrongs them in any way, even after they've received an apology, they still harbor resentment and hate.
Some of the self-proclaimed Christians on this board are some of the worst offenders.
Yet when I encounter atheists/agnostics who reject this political ideology of Trump OR, in other cases, they voted Trump but aren't Christian, I find...
-They're more tolerant of people of all walks of life.
-They're forgiving.
-They're empathetic.
-They're quick to help others and sacrifice time to help.
-They're very open to women's equality, even the Trump voters (they usually have daughters). Interestingly as a side note, I find atheist/agnostic Trumpers are usually pro choice.
-I find they follow the teachings of Christ far more than the aforementioned group.
So, why do you think this happens? I grew up going to church and I know the right messages are being taught behind a pulpit. At least, in the Methodist church they were. I know the teachings of Christ that completely contradict the movement of Trumpism are still pushed on the regular. Nothing about being a Christian warrior or the other side being evil. None of this hate or disdain for fellow humans.
So who can explain that disconnect?
Again, this is just what I'm experience anecdotally and not with any data to support it. I can't even claim it's most Christians who support Trump and this climate; it's just most of the ones I encounter.
If you hit Reply immediately to this post and rage because you thought I was drawing a blanket statement about ALL Christians, go sit TF down and let the adults talk. Because I know some clown who can't read is gonna do that.
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Re: Why is it like this?
May 20, 2025, 9:01 AM
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God sent Trump to save us.
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Re: Why is it like this?
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May 20, 2025, 10:40 AM
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You joke, but ask the ones really deep into the global cabal stuff, and eventually they’ll get around to explaining how Trump and other autocrats are joining forces to defeat the minions of Satan. They mean it literally.
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Re: Why is it like this?
May 20, 2025, 2:33 PM
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You joke, but ask the ones really deep into the global cabal stuff, and eventually they’ll get around to explaining how Trump and other autocrats are joining forces to defeat the minions of Satan. They mean it literally.
"He's the 'trumpet' of God!"
- Yes, I have heard folks you describe say this S**t. Boggles my mind. Yet we can look past Jan 6th as some non-event and selling Bibles to pay for his legal fees.
It's so sad to see that most folks align with morality is optional nowadays unless it goes against my agenda.
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Oculus Spirit [42141]
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ALL Christians are
May 20, 2025, 9:02 AM
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hypocrites.
HTH
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Tiger Titan [48820]
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I disagree strongly there
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May 20, 2025, 9:15 AM
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I've know plenty who don't fit the description I gave.
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Paw Master [16403]
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As a Christian, I strongly agree with you.***
May 20, 2025, 10:39 AM
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I think part of it, being a Christian myself, is that the presumed forgiveness
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May 20, 2025, 10:47 AM
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given for being a turd, is actually more enabling of the bad behavior than it would otherwise be. They go to church, they admit they're sinners. They have sinned. They are forgiven, every Sunday, so they go out and continue the behavior.
This is a big problem with the Catholic church, and some protestant churches as well. The holier-than-thou crowd goes to church every Sunday, and every Sunday they admit they're sinners, and are forgiven by the church, which means they leave church on Sunday feeling less bad about how they behaved the week before, and empowered to do it again, as long as they're back next Sunday to be forgiven, again.
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Being from a Catholic family I can agree with this....***
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May 20, 2025, 11:02 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108627]
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I'm Lutheran, very close to Catholic.....and I know many people
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May 20, 2025, 11:13 AM
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who are absolute JERKS, just bad people, who are absolutely obsessed with going to church every single Sunday, just so they can feel better about themselves and justify how they acted, and knowing they can continue being a jerk the next week, as long as they attend every single Sunday and are forgiven.
These same people, if you call out their bad behavior and sins, they will be the first to throw their church resume in your face, because internally, this is how they deal with themselves.
In some ways the more conservative protestant religions have a better handle on this, as forgiveness is NOT unconditional, and as such, they tend to behave better, overall. Or at least try to behave better.
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Re: I think part of it, being a Christian myself, is that the presumed forgiveness
May 20, 2025, 4:04 PM
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Those Christians better understand that Jesus said “Go forth and sin no more”. At no time did he say it was okay and forgivable to continue being a ###### bag. Those folks are in for a rude awakening if it is actually true.
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Re: Why is it like this?
May 20, 2025, 9:44 AM
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radio preacher said the NIV stands for Nearly Inspired Version lol
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Re: A little early in the morning, but you talked me into it.
May 20, 2025, 10:04 AM
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I'm more of Chevelle kinda guy, myself. Three days grace or Godsmack when I've had a long day.
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Re: Why is it like this?
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May 20, 2025, 9:50 AM
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MAGA is a cult.
Most religions are cultish on some level. We have 2000 years of history that shows how despicable and "unchristian" the Christian religion can be. Millions of people have been murdered by the church in the name of Jesus. People were burned alive for heresy. Fortunately for us, the rise of secular governments has helped spare modern day Christians from those kind of extreme horrors, But the programming within us is still there. There are many (not all) Christians who would like to go back to the ways of old to "spare the human race".
Then of course, there are those like NC who like the segregation that you find in many Christian churches and gives them their safe space to hate on non whites "in the name of God".
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Liberal Wokeism is also a cult.
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May 20, 2025, 9:59 AM
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You tried.
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Re: Liberal Wokeism is also a cult.
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May 20, 2025, 10:03 AM
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Wokeism is actually the opposite of cultish, as it champions diversity and inclusion.
Keep on hating and go burn a cross.
You tried. 😆
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Paw Master [16403]
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Always wondered if I wore a MAGA hat into an establishment with the
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May 20, 2025, 11:27 AM
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rainbow with the brown and white flag thing, would they accept me even though my beliefs were different?
(I'm not saying I have those beliefs. My point is that sometimes champions of diversity can be pretty dang exclusive as well.)
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Re: Always wondered if I wore a MAGA hat into an establishment with the
May 20, 2025, 12:51 PM
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How is diversity "exclusive"?
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You should look up the Tolerance Paradox by Karl Popper
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May 20, 2025, 3:55 PM
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Extending tolerance to the intolerant is not in itself tolerance.
If you proudly hold views and support a political party that wants to dehumanize and remove rights from people they see as "lesser" don't be surprised when you face backlash. And it's interesting in this case that the party who gladly argued that baker shouldn't have to bake a cake for a gay couple would come close to arguing that other should be forced to serve/interact with them (and that's coming from someone who disagrees with many on my side of the aisle, and believes that absent it being a life-necessary transaction, such a shelter, food, healthcare, etc, I generally don't care if someone denies service).
But yeah, a better (no doubt) explanation of the Tolerance Paradox:
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
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Paw Master [16403]
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Yeah I mean at some point, you have to become intolerant.
May 20, 2025, 4:58 PM
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I think boundaries have a place. I'm not going to tolerate a person coming to my office without a shirt on, for example.
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Orange Elite [5303]
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Re: Being an idiot is a cult.
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May 21, 2025, 5:46 AM
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Wilbur taking another "L". 😆
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Yep. Taking another "L" as in taking a libbtardd down.
May 21, 2025, 11:50 AM
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You didn't try.
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Is it like being aware
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May 20, 2025, 10:08 AM
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And actively attentive to social and racial inequalities, and crying about every little thing that hurts your feelings? Is that close enough?
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If thats your definition of, Jesus was woke AF.***
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May 20, 2025, 10:23 AM
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So dang close
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May 20, 2025, 10:28 AM
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And telling that the you would degenerate the response to the first part of your definition as "crying about every little thing."
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Paw Warrior [5090]
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Want to take bets on whether 1959paw is an old white dude? lol***
May 21, 2025, 4:42 PM
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Re: Why is it like this?
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In my years on this earth, I’ve probably known four or five people that I thought wow, that person is going straight to heaven if it’s a real place. The rest, no way.
But it’s not up to me to place them there.
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Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's
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May 20, 2025, 10:06 AM
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Jesus did not condemn the government of the time (ie, the Roman authority).
He did condemn the Jewish authority for their legalism and waywardness from God's will.
Jesus separated government & politics from faith & salvation.
Jesus was focused on the Church, not the world.
John 3:18 (doesn't get as much airtime as John 3:16):
"Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son"
Christians and atheists alike are imperfect people. However, it is the Christians job to not only share the love and hope of Christ, but to share the warning of John 3:18 ... don't ever forget the warning part.
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Re: Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's
May 20, 2025, 10:09 AM
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So why do conservative Christians spend so much energy defending and supporting a nation of what they define as"condemned" people? Waiting
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"Jesus separated government & politics from faith & salvation."
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May 20, 2025, 10:17 AM
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That actually sounds pretty great. Think you could have a talk with modern day Christians and see if they might be on board with this?
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And yet you voted for and support
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May 20, 2025, 10:26 AM
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A guy who literally grifted his followers by selling a bible that has the founding American documents bound right next to the scriptures.
A guy who coopts the language of Christianity, but can't name a single verse. A guy who bragged about his consistent mistreatment of women and is on record saying he's never asked God for forgiveness.
It is entirely laughable that when presented with the incongruity of this man being "God's chosen" in the eyes of his followers you fall back on the separation of faith and politics... something the folks on the other side of the aisle have been arguing for years.
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The Democrat Party is too intertwined with the Communist Party
May 20, 2025, 10:40 AM
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... and we know how the Communists feel about Christians.
Two choices were given ... a selection had to be made.
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I dont think St Peter is going to accept this excuse***
May 20, 2025, 10:41 AM
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Top TigerNet [31581]
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Which Democratic policy is "intertwined with the communist party?"
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I'd be interested to hear your take on which policy espoused by the Democrats leads you to believe they are "Communist" in the context of it's effects on Christianity?
And moreover, as a man of Faith, I'd argue that the it being used by the political right as a tool does MUCH more harm to the institutions of American Christianity than any Communist boogeyman you're worrying about.
(And this all skips the point that Trumop was the CHOICE of the right to do this. He wasn't forced on you, your side overwhelmingly chose and continue to support him)
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Oculus Spirit [39911]
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Re: Which Democratic policy is "intertwined with the communist party?"
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Calling democrats communists is just a mindless meaningless trope at this point.
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I've already done this exercise ... but let's revisit a few current events
May 20, 2025, 1:08 PM
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Open borders / Mass amnesty
- Dems in favor ... Commies in favor
Palestinian protests on college campuses
- Dems in favor ... Commies in favor
Climate Change can be fixed with money
- Dems in favor ... Commies in favor
Your turn ... give an example where Dems and Communists differ.
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Its like you have no idea what communism is***
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You're just making things up.
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What is the last major communist regime the world has seen? USSR? And they were in favor of Palestinian protests on college campuses? They're in favor of fixing climate change by spending on it, a concept which didn't even exist in the USSR days?
Or how about more modern regimes, like Venezuela? Are they in favor of those things? Source? Venezuela doesn't have "open" borders, either.
Maybe you're talking about individual communists. Who, for example?
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Re: Why is it like this?
May 20, 2025, 10:13 AM
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cattahooie and birm seeking understanding
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Don't be fooled***
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Because "Christian" means different things to different people
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May 20, 2025, 10:21 AM
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who selectively choose what to believe, and what is important and what is not. The Bible is a rambling collection of stories, a mixture of historical fact, spiritual truth, and myth, all written and put together by men from different times, situations and cultures, all of which affects the end product, and lends itself to these various interpretations and understandings.
I totally understand your point. While it's true that Christianity has had a tremendous impact on the course of humanity, different cultures have shaped Christianity as well. People have always believed and practiced Christianity (and any religion) within the very powerful influence and boundaries of their cultures and their personal ability to understand.
People use religion, including Christianity, as a way to cope, explain, and understand, and that's not consistent from person to person, much less culture to culture.
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The experience in my Methodist church, Im sure, is not unique.
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On the heels of the gay split, we lost members. Trumps first AG, was a member, he and his family left. Probably unique to my church, is our congregation is generally rich AF and still chock full of MAGAs. I think the core congregation must be leaning on separation of church and state as an excuse. As in, what Trumps doing has no bearing on what we do in church. Well, I think that’s a p1$$ poor excuse.
Discussed with the Head Preacher in Charge, whom Ive known for 15 years, and even when he preaches on NT and treatment of the poor, immigrants, the downtrodden it doesn’t seem make a dent in the MAGA minds. He’s apolitical, doesn’t vote so he can philosophically remain neutral and his position is to ride it out. He doesn’t want to offend the members that contribute the most, so he doesn’t want to hammer it home. I understand his position, but disagree with that and told him so. MAGAs in our congregation can wrap themselves in the word of God and still justify the support of an administration that treats people like crap.
That’s my 2 since.
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Re: Why is it like this?
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No need to overthink it, the simple answer is that they’re not Christians. I think a lot of the maga die hards here will tell you that themselves. If they don’t, then they’re probably just casual cultural Christians and don’t spend any time in church. Church attendance among the lower classes has plummeted in recent decades while going up amongst the college educated. Y’all can look these stats up if you don’t believe me. The poor whites who have stayed in churches have moved to evangelical ones where politics and religion get blended together, where they hear about demonic elites and other stuff like that that we see filter through here every now and then.
The lack of faith amongst the American lower and lower middle classes is actually a wonderful explanation for Trump’s rise to power. They have substituted the community and sense of belonging they used to get from church with being in the MAGA… “movement” we’ll call it.
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Re: Why is it like this?
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I don't find most of those statements to be true at all by the people I encounter. Maybe it's who you are around and who you grew up with that has shaped this view.
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"most of those I'm encountering who profess to be Christian"
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sounds like you're only encountering Evangelical and Fundamentalists and some conservative Catholics.
I have the exact opposite experience from you but my circles are more likely to include Mainline Protestants.
I am Christian - United Methodist - and I took a vow to resist evil, injustice, and oppression in whatever forms they present themselves
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Re: "most of those I'm encountering who profess to be Christian"
May 20, 2025, 10:42 AM
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I've lived in some different places, and I have to say (outside of some crime and the occasional angry driver) our city seems to have fewer A holes in general than most places I've lived - Christian or not.
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Re: "most of those I'm encountering who profess to be Christian"
May 20, 2025, 12:43 PM
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I will have to agree here.
I also have lived in several places and where I am now, my neighbors are the nicest and friendliest I’ve ever had. Right here in red state eastern Tennessee.
A couple of blue states I’ve lived in, although I may vote like them most of the time, you couldn’t pay me to live there any longer.
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Interesting because in my everyday encounters, the Christians that I am around
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act very similarly to who I would consider "non-Christians" even though they would consider themselves Christians.
I just don't encounter many people at all on any sort of fringe. I know that our church will not marry a gay couple, but it's not publicized or anything. Our sermons are much more focused on Jesus's teachings and trying to become closer to Him, trying to learn to hear His voice through the Holy Spirit, etc.
I think ultimately it's easy to lean either toward the teachings of Truth or the teachings of Grace.
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It's not like this.***
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It is.***
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My personal experience is different than yours
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I attend a large conservative Presbyterian church, but can't recall ever any political discussions or opinions being expressed from the pulpit, Sunday School or amongst the members.
Some of my friends who likewise attend there see each other socially. These are professional people and none of them voted for Harris. None of them are MAGA followers, but when presented with a choice of Trump, Harris or 3rd Party, chose Trump generally reluctantly.
That was a bridge too far for me, so I chose 3rd Party-Libertarian.
My personal experience has not been yours as far as hard hearted Christians. My sister is probably the best person I know. She gives of her time and money and has been personally very involved in helping the downtrodden. She is not a hater. She does not put her faith in Trump, yet she too voted for him.Her conservative evangelical church does have a pastor that expresses his political views, yet that same pastor is the pastor of a large church that has many black members and has an extensive outreach to assist the poor, the addicted, and the homeless.
I think it's more complicated than you suspect, however, these are anecdotal stories too. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Re: My personal experience is different than yours
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I do find a good number of atheist who seem to hate Christians and Christianity, but certainly not all... Very anecdotal and based on personal experience. Then again, our best couple friends are atheist/agnostic.
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I see that too, and I'm agnostic
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I don't like the hate for the religion or any religion; like, I'm not there with them in beliefs, but I also don't have any evidence they're wrong, either. That's why I rarely delve into religious topics here.
I understand some animosity from people who grew up in an oppressive religious environment, but they should place the blame on the people.
My only disdain for religion in when it's pushed in government and schools.
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Well....
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I'm a Christian who despises Trump. I've never voted for him, and I won't vote for people who are like him in the MAGA party. I personally think it's difficult to support Trump as a Christian. But there are others who think differently, and that's just how it is.
In my church, which is a Wesleyan Independent church that was formerly in the UMC, we don't get into politics. It's very likely that 70-80% of the congregation is Republican, given the demographics of my church, and how the vote went on leaving the UMC, but I don't know for sure. Our pastors don't discuss politics, and I don't feel any pressure in any direction. I would hate to get into a political discussion at church, because it's likely that my views would be in the minority within my congregation. And even if not, I wouldn't want to throw up walls around myself within the church. And if I ever felt pressure from within the walls of my congregation to vote for a certain political party, I would leave.
I can say that Christians are just like everyone else in our faults and our strengths/weaknesses. We're human like everyone else. So, when you go into a church, you're gonna find hypocrites and haters and such. Walking into and out of a church building every Sunday doesn't mean that stuff just goes away. Likewise, in my church, you'll find some very loving/caring/service-oriented people, whose walk with God shows very strongly. It's a mixture of everything.
I work with and am friends with atheists and agnostics. I see diversity amongst that group as well. Some are very me-centered, some are not. Some are libertarian, some seem to like MAGA, some vote for Democrats, some don't vote.
Humanity within the American nation is a patchwork quilt. I do worry that we're coming unglued as a nation. It's gotten worse overall, and it will affect the various churches, too.
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Judge not, lest ye be judged***
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Re: Judge not, lest ye be judged***
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he cant see it because he is blind
just slewfoot trying to steal joy lol
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This just goes back to the education discussion
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The more educated you are the more you have critical thinking skills and empathy for others.
Then the more educated you are the less likely you are to be religious.
Most importantly, while conservatives have historically latched onto religion. The actual teachings of Jesus are extremely liberal. So it’s natural that liberal would act more like Jesus and have shared perspectives to others.
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Re: This just goes back to the education discussion
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"The more educated are, the less likely you are to be religious."
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Anecdotally, that seems pretty false.
Empathy may be related to a degree with education, but man I don't know if I really agree there totally.
Not sure about the liberal teachings of Jesus either. Never came across as a very political guy to me.
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Jesus' teachings are only liberal...to a liberal...
May 20, 2025, 4:01 PM
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it comes down to the role of government.
I believe very much in charity, taking care of others, and so on, but I don't believe that is the correct role of the federal government, nor do I believe they do it very efficiently. So, I'm against federal government hand-outs, but I believe in personal responsibility to be charitable to help our fellow man.
Whereas a liberal might believe that government is there to take all actions in society. Therefore, if Jesus taught something, it must be the government's role to carry out.
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A liberal is smart enough to understand you're just making an arbitrary
May 20, 2025, 7:57 PM
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distinction to justify being selfish.
Surely, you believe it's the place of the church to provide charity. A church is just a collection of people. The government is likewise just a collection of people.
You can't honestly believe that Jesus would think it's ok for the government to allow people to starve and die from sickness.
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Federal gov responsibility versus personal responsibility is...
May 20, 2025, 8:12 PM
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not arbitrary. In fact, I made a very distinct differentiation that is quite the opposite of arbitrary.
And your argument that since a church and government are both "collections of people" that there is no distinction is nonsensical (and that's being generous). A government is there to serve people and representative of people and a church is in fact a collection of people...however a church is voluntary and has charity as part of its mission.
And I think Jesus would not be ok with society letting people starve...and they aren't, at least not in this country and private charity is a big part of the reason they aren't. As for dying from sickness...I think Jesus is the only one that can eliminate that.
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Who is making you live in the United States?
May 20, 2025, 10:38 PM
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You live here voluntarily. You can always move somewhere else where you don't have to pay US taxes.
This exchange just highlights that you think you're making some intrinsic well thought out point, but it isn't. It's just some arbitrary line you've drawn that isn't based on any well thought out logic.
Then you follow it up with people aren't starving in the US (which isn't completely true), ignoring the huge role government programs play in that.
It's exactly this type of illogical position that Catahoula® keeps ignoring is what led to the MAGA movement. It's just wild to me that you guys willingly choose to be ignorant of basic facts. It's just plain stupidity to argue some 8 year-old should go hungry because of his lack of personal responsibility for his choices.
Take some personal responsibility for your own willful ignorance.
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Ultimate Tiger [35065]
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Wait...you can just choose to live in a different country?...
May 20, 2025, 10:54 PM
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So if I show up right now at the Canadian border and tell them I want to live and work in Canada, they'll just let me in? Lol
Using that kind of "logic" there is almost nothing that is mandatory. Come on.
"It's just plain stupidity to argue some 8 year-old should go hungry because of his lack of personal responsibility for his choices." You're right, that would be stupid to argue that. Who here is arguing that exactly? I'm certainly not.
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I'm guessing you don't see the irony do you?
May 21, 2025, 7:38 AM
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That when tasked with picking a hypothetical country to move to, you pick one with a government that provides an even greater social safety net than the United States?
While Canada might not welcome you with open arms, there are plenty of countries in this world with right wing governments that would take you. You just wouldn't want to actually live in those countries. There is a reason for that.
Lastly, please explain how you think removing government "charity" won't take food away from 8 year old children? That's the problem. You never own the end effects of your position. That's why the Reagan/Trump Republicans are just the same because no Eisenhower Republican would ever seriously argue with removing the social safety net.
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Dang man...it's hard to talk with you but I'm going to keep trying...
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The point was not the country...the point was that one can't just leave the US and go live somewhere else freely and openly. Surely you're not this obtuse. Churches are joined freely and are optional...so is private charity donations. Taxes are not optional...meaning supporting the government with your $'s is not optional.
As for the government...I've been pretty specific about referring to the federal government and it's role. I don't have near the philosophical objections to charity and safety nets (to a limited degree) on the local government level.
I firmly believe that if the federal government didn't take the amount of $ equal to the "charity" it doles out...meaning left it in the pockets/budgets of taxpayers...that that same amount would find its way to the needy in a much more efficient way. You do realize that private charity spending is far more than government charity spending, when volunteer time is factored in, right? Then there's also the issue of government grants to private charities potentially crowding out private donations, which is a very real issue. And when you factor in effectiveness, it's a HUGE difference. Many studies show (and you can search for yourself) that government "charity" is about 30% effective...meaning about 30% of the total funding actually reaches the beneficiaries, versus about 70% for private funds in like-for-like comparison.
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Its wild to me that you cant grasp the nuance of your own argument
May 21, 2025, 10:39 AM
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Yes, it’s harder to move to another country than it is to join a church. It’s also harder to be self sufficient if you grow up in poverty than it is to grow up with high earning parents. Do you suddenly pretend it’s impossible to raise yourself out of poverty the same way you’re trying to imply it’s impossible to move to another country?
Or is something being hard only an acceptable response when it fits your argument?
Now you’re arguing charity is alright on the local level? That completely undermines everything you’re arguing.
Lastly, your whole rant about charity is nonsensical. Why do we have food stamps, social security, Medicare and Medicaid? Precisely because charity didn’t fill those needs.
I’m not even going to get into this absurd idea that charity is more efficient because of free labor. Imagine arguing that a volunteer chef using $100 in ingredients on a meal for one person is more efficient than paying a cook $20 and then using the $80 to feed 20 people.
Even worse imagine, not realizing that’s what you’re arguing. Because efficiency in social programs should be based on the efficiency at solving a problem not how you spend the dollars.
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Ultimate Tiger [35065]
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Ok...one of is having a hard time following the argument and points being made..
May 21, 2025, 10:55 AM
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I'm 99.9% sure it's you, but heck, maybe I've lost my mind.
Either way, I think it might be pointless to discuss things with you. This isn't the first time you've acted like this.
The original point was Jesus' teachings and their direct association with government/political ideology. I made the distinction based on political leaning that a liberal will interpret what needs to be done in society directly with government (federal gov in this case) and so on and so on. The point was the difference in charity of a church, for example, and government. You made a weird point about them being the same thing because they're both a "collection of people" and then I foolishly entertained that thought and explained why it's not the same...then you somehow attached onto Canada, that was just an example of close country. Now you're conflating the ease of moving to another country and joining a church to the plight of people in poverty...like I'm somehow being inconsistent.
"Now you’re arguing charity is alright on the local level? That completely undermines everything you’re arguing."
No, son, it doesn't. I was speaking to the role of the federal government versus potential role and effectiveness at the local level. That is consistent with my conservative outlook on government.
"I’m not even going to get into this absurd idea that charity is more efficient because of free labor."
Charity is not more efficient just because of the volunteer nature of some of the labor...I was making the point that when that's factored in it's even MORE efficient. Surely you aren't arguing with that the federal gov administering a program is more efficient that the avg private charity. You're not saying that, right??
"Lastly, your whole rant about charity is nonsensical. Why do we have food stamps, social security, Medicare and Medicaid? Precisely because charity didn’t fill those needs."
Well, first, Social Security (at least the retirement part) and Medicare aren't "charity". You know participants pay into those plans, right? Second, I don't grant the premise that food stamps and medicaid exist because charity didn't/wouldn't fill the gaps.
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Your last line just epitomizes the problem in the discussion
May 21, 2025, 11:26 AM
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You’re rejecting facts. A simple google search will tell you that you’re wrong.
The Food Stamps program was literally created in the 1930s because you had a huge unemployed, homeless, and starving population while farmers had excess produce they couldn’t sell because the poor couldn’t afford it.
Instead of being so afraid of admitting you’re wrong, really take a step back and think about that. The food stamps program exists solely because we had people starving while we had a surplus of food in this country.
Once you’ve acknowledged you’re wrong about that one I can walk you through why you’re wrong about the other stuff like social security and Medicare not being welfare.
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Re: Who is making you live in the United States?
May 21, 2025, 8:14 AM
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It's just wild to me that you guys willingly choose to be ignorant of basic facts. It's just plain stupidity to argue some 8 year-old should go hungry because of his lack of personal responsibility for his choices.
Where did I ever argue this? Who argued this?
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No one...I think he's having some trouble following the argument here***
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So I started with his post that begins "Jesus' teachings are only liberal"
May 21, 2025, 10:44 AM
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And I looked for where he argued this:
It's just plain stupidity to argue some 8 year-old should go hungry because of his lack of personal responsibility for his choices.
I didn't see it. Can you quote the exact line or paragraph where he makes this argument?
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Re: So I started with his post that begins "Jesus' teachings are only liberal"
May 21, 2025, 11:07 AM
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“So, I'm against federal government hand-outs”
You can ctrl+f to find the exact paragraph.
So he’s against the federal government giving a handout so an 8-year old can eat.
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Tiger Titan [48820]
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That takes a lot of liberties with that quote
May 21, 2025, 11:17 AM
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I could twist that around a lot of ways.
"So you're against the government giving me a brand new truck because I need one to get around."
First, our government does feed that kid--through school lunch programs. After that, what else are you expecting of our fed? To provide three meals a day to every person who says they need one?
Hunger is still an issue with American children, moreso than it should be, but that's not always an income thing--it's a bad parent thing. But there is a stark difference between hungry and starving.
But if the kid is starving and we're talking Jesus, maybe someone needs to start asking the hard questions why Gawd is allowing it to happen in the first place.
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I would imagine Flow would be opposed to
May 21, 2025, 11:31 AM
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The government giving someone a truck. So you wouldn’t be twisting his words around…
I think that’s the disconnect here. It’s not twisting words when what you’re saying is actually what he’s arguing.
Twisting words would be like me saying “I believe kids shouldn’t starve” then you arguing “you believe the government should give everyone cookie cake”.
No there are a lot of other foods that will feed the kid besides cookie cake.
But Flow is arguing the government shouldn’t feed the kid. So there isn’t anyway to ensure the kid WILL get fed.
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Tiger Titan [48820]
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But you feel the government has the obligation to feed the kid...
May 21, 2025, 12:12 PM
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When ultimately, the parents have the obligation to feed the kid. Sure, we can entertain circumstances where there is no other option (and those exist), but the idea that the government has to swoop in and feed every child who needs food is a problem--there are plenty of parents who need to be held responsible to do that, and their mismanagement of money and poor choices leads to this problem.
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Do you honestly believe a child should suffer because they have bad parents?
May 21, 2025, 12:31 PM
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Because I can an d do agree with you that we should punish bad parents. But it should be a nonstarter that we all agree kids should be fed.
That’s the issue you’re missing with the Reagan/MAGA movement. We used to have a shared believe that kids should eat. But we no longer have that shared value. Flow thinks you can punish the parent and not the kid. But that’s just sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the reality.
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You really gotta stop making stuff up...
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you're summarizing my opinions falsely, to a point that it has to be on purpose.
"Flow thinks you can punish the parent and not the kid."
I don't believe I mentioned parents/parenting at all in this thread. Nor have I mentioned punishing anyone. I've been clear that I think the kid should be fed and who should feed them if they don't have food.
Just stop it man...even a Gamecock can't be this clueless!
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I do not
May 21, 2025, 1:23 PM
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But I would rather they be held accountable by the government than the government bail them out UNLESS they're posing a threat to the child's safety/life.
Again, I'll remind you that hungry kids are fed every day at school and I support this.
Flow thinks you can punish the parent and not the kid. But that’s just sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the reality.
And if the parent sucks, how do you know the kid is getting the right stuff off that government handout? It goes to the parent first, not the kid.
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You should seriously think about this one deeper
May 21, 2025, 1:36 PM
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if you’re saying kids getting one or two meals a day while at school is enough for a child.
So they eat lunch on Friday then their next meal is Monday morning for breakfast. You really think that’s adequate?
Seriously, you should rethink that one.
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You have a real problem taking what people say
May 21, 2025, 1:46 PM
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And claiming they're saying something else. I hope you don't realize you do this a lot, because if you're doing it intentionally, that's some Trumpkin level BS.
I didn't say ANY of that.
You are being very unrealistic with what you want: You're suggesting government should be feeding every child who is hungry in our nation. That's an estimated 14 million at a modest count. How are you going to make this work? Tell us the plan?
To Flow's initial point, the strength of charity giving is far more reliable and powerful than relying on our government. Feeding America and No Kid Hungry are far more trustworthy and effective than our fed, and they feed millions a year.
Rather than rely on the fuckwads in Congress try to figure this out and battle over funding every year, let's rely on the people who do it right.
I'm assuming you give a substantial amount of money to those organizations since you've been so passionate about this topic and attacked Flow so much on it?
Maybe you and Flow can compare charitable donations on this matter?
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This sounds like a crappy thing to say...
May 21, 2025, 2:10 PM
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but I don't think he wants to do that 
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Re: This sounds like a crappy thing to say...
May 21, 2025, 2:24 PM
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It’s funny you keep responding but dodging certain posts where you’re clearly wrong…
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I'm sure you've clicked the "Add a Dollar to Feed Children" button at Publix...
May 21, 2025, 2:28 PM
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Once or twice, but that doesn't make you an expert in this matter.
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Its a shame you dont understand Im just pointing out
May 21, 2025, 2:20 PM
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What you’re actually saying.
You’re the one who said that it’s ok for a child to go 2 days without food. You just don’t realize you said it.
An example would be if you said, “I built my house all by myself.” While you didn’t explicitly say you wired eletricity or did the plumbing. But by telling you did everything yourself, you told me that you did the plumbing and the electricity.
It’s really unfortunate you guys don’t realize that.
How is a private charity more powerful than the US government? A charity is limited to its contributions. The government has access to the full resources of an entire company.
What you’re arguing is nonsensical. There is a reason Walmart is more powerful than your local retailer for a reason. It’s called economies of scale and is a basic economic theory.
The entire budget for No Hungry Kid is 53 million. SNAP puts 114 BILLION in the hands of people to buy food.
114 BILLION.
It’s just wild how out of touch you guys are with reality.
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Jesus ####### Christ, you're an imbecile
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You’re the one who said that it’s ok for a child to go 2 days without food. You just don’t realize you said it.
I never said that, you ####### jackhole. Gawddamn, even NC_Tiger and Keowee aren't this ####### obtuse. flow0440®, I don't know how you've lasted in this thread this long with him.
Go back to that diploma mill in Columbia and ask for a refund for the philosophy/logic class you took. That university is an embarrassment to this state and you're showing it right now.
I skipped the rest of your post. How much do YOU give to charity to help feed children since you're so adamant about attacking us.
I run a charity that serves in part to feed less fortunate local families. My event raised over $10,000 this past weekend.
W T F did you do? Give us specific organizations and dollar figures or G T F O.
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Yeah...I tried...not sure why, but it's the same crap as previous threads...
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from him. It's like banging your head against the wall. I find it hard to believe he's an adult.
Anyways, yeah, I'm out too.
I can't stand when folks post a "let's compare w-2s" type post, but this dude makes me want to show him a copy of my 1040 and tell him to s t fu! I've got a sneaking suspicion that his money doesn't follow his mouth
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Because I made a New Year's Resolution,
May 21, 2025, 2:47 PM
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That I try my best to adhere to, that I will not engage in lengthy arguments anymore with people who are either dumber than me or lack the skills to formulate an intelligent argument.
Anyone who thinks I was advocating that a child goes without food for two day is either an idiot or employing dishonest discussion tactics. Thus, they aren't worth my time.
And it appears I nailed it on the head that you don't do jack #### to help any children with any charitable causes. You just want to criticize the people who actually do.
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The problem is Im actually smarter than you
May 21, 2025, 2:52 PM
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Which is why you’re frustrated and resorting to calling me dumb.
I don’t think you actually mean it’s ok for a kid to go two days without food. I just think you didn’t actually think about what you said. Instead of admitting you made a mistake and were wrong, you’re trying to argue I’m just not smart enough.
It just shows how far off course you guys have gone to avoid admitting you were wrong. We are in a discussion about whether charity can solve children starvation and you’re wanting to have a flex about who makes more money.
It’s nonsensical and just detracts from the actual merits of the argument.
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Ultimate Tiger [35065]
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LOL***
May 21, 2025, 2:56 PM
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You're not
May 21, 2025, 2:59 PM
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You haven't advanced much from your dumb days on the Mange.
I don’t think you actually mean it’s ok for a kid to go two days without food.
Really? Then why did you say this?
You’re the one who said that it’s ok for a child to go 2 days without food. You just don’t realize you said it.
You can't even remember what you say.
I've noticed this about you, and I've already said it: You repeatedly claim people argued something they didn't and then you attack it. That's a straw man argument. The straw man method is considered one of the dumbest debate tactics in the whole realm of debate and discussion. It means the person knows their argument is weak, so they must employ a straw man to make themselves look smart and try to throw their opponent off his stronger arguments.
Here's where it gets worse for you: I don't think you realize you're doing it. Most clowns on here, like Keowee or RPMcMuffin know they're doing it because they want to be an annoying troll. I think you genuinely aren't strong enough in reading comprehension to understand that you're using one of the most idiotic strategies that exists.
You SHOULD have been taught this in high school or college. So either you didn't receive that, or you didn't grasp it.
Want more evidence? You think I'm trying to argue who makes more money. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that you're attacking two people who are very generous with charity giving and I don't think you give a #### thing. Now if you would like try to prove me wrong on that, have at it.
But if you're going to continue to put words in people's mouths and attack made up claims, then YES, that's an indicator that you're not a very smart man.
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
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Its wild to accuse me of not using reading comprehension
May 21, 2025, 3:19 PM
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When the fact I’m using reading and comprehension skills is what is frustrating you.
You’re the Keowee in this scenario. You’re so flustered you don’t even understand what you’re saying right now. You’re just so afraid of being wrong.
I’m an attorney. I have a doctorate degree. I’ve passed the bar exam. I’ve written decisions that were used by an article III judge. The fundamental skill in that is the ability to read and comprehend.
Ultimately, I can’t make you admit you’re wrong. I can’t make ClemsonRangers or Keowee admit they’re wrong either. But I’ve shown you exactly why you’re wrong. I’ve provided you with an analogy to help you process it.
Maybe it’s time to look in the mirror and think maybe you should cool down and rethink the argument so you don’t make the same mistake again.
That’s the difference between a person of integrity and Keowee . It’s never fun to be wrong but when you’re wrong a man with integrity will eventually own it.
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I'm not going to call you a liar, because I don't know you....
May 21, 2025, 3:22 PM
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but you're lying
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I admire that you have zero shame in being wrong.
May 21, 2025, 3:39 PM
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I personally could never be the town idiot. But you do you.
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Re: I admire that you have zero shame in being wrong.
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Clearly, you can.
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Re: Its wild to accuse me of not using reading comprehension
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May 21, 2025, 3:27 PM
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I’m an attorney. I have a doctorate degree. I’ve passed the bar exam. I’ve written decisions that were used by an article III judge. The fundamental skill in that is the ability to read and comprehend.
Then that means you DO know that you're employing a cheap, stupid argument tactic, one that a judge would shut down in a second if you tried that on a witness. Perhaps this is the only realm where you can get away with it. So you're admitting that you do not bring honest debate to the table.
That, or you're a ###### attorney.
But I’ve shown you exactly why you’re wrong.
You haven't shown me I'm wrong because you don't even understand what I'm arguing. You've made up completely false BS as to what I'm arguing.
But here's a short summation: If you think the government can and should feed every person who needs it in America, you're a naïve fool. If you think that means I want children to starve, you're a moron.
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Re: Its wild to accuse me of not using reading comprehension
May 21, 2025, 3:37 PM
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“But here's a short summation: If you think the government can and should feed every person who needs it in America, you're a naïve fool. If you think that means I want children to starve, you're a moron.”
Are you willing to let children starve?
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Re: Its wild to accuse me of not using reading comprehension
May 22, 2025, 9:16 AM
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Interesting we never got an answer from Catahoula® on this one...
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When you were a kid
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Did you ever notice those moments where you kept pitching a tantrum or begging for attention and your parents just ignored you until you stopped?
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Do you lie to yourself about being a great parent
May 22, 2025, 10:51 AM
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and refuse to admit you're wrong to your kids as well?
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No...there are a million ways to ensure the kid gets fed...
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and we're back to my original point...you can't see there is any way to do it other than the federal government and I argue that local governments and charities do it/can do it far better than the federal government.
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As I mentioned in a previous post
May 21, 2025, 1:48 PM
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I wonder how much Classof09 gives to charities that feed the hungry? Since he seems pretty passionate about this one. Maybe y'all can compare donation amounts?
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I guess I'm a glutton for punishment, so I'll reply....
May 21, 2025, 12:33 PM
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Again...I'm against the FEDERAL government being involved in charity. And I clearly stated some reasons why...what I didn't get into, which is perhaps the biggest issue, is that it's not a power/responsibility given to the federal government in the Constitution.
Anyway...
The biggest misunderstanding you have is that you said:
"It's just plain stupidity to argue some 8 year-old should go hungry because of his lack of personal responsibility for his choices."
I said nothing of the kind. When talking about personal responsibility, I'm talking about the personal responsibility of the "haves" to help the "have nots". I believe I clearly stated that in my original post:
"So, I'm against federal government hand-outs, but I believe in personal responsibility to be charitable to help our fellow man."
There is no way any reasonable person would interpret that to mean I believe a child should starve because of the CHILD'S lack of responsibility. That's why I called your comment nonsensical.
I am NOT against feeding the child that needs food...I'm against doing it through the Federal government. Can you understand that distinction? If not, you're back to proving my original point about liberals seeing things through the liberal lens based on their view of what the government is for.
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Re: I guess I'm a glutton for punishment, so I'll reply....
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Not to mention that the term 'liberal' has been so bastardized in the US that it basically means the opposite of its root word or original political meaning. Real liberal ideology has nothing to do with the government having a responsibility to feed people. As a matter of fact, it's almost the opposite of that.
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True, but I gave up on that long ago and use the term with it's more...
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modern political meaning or rather Social Liberalism.
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Re: True, but I gave up on that long ago and use the term with it's more...
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I get it. I just refuse to allow leftists to completely steal that word.
Socialist seems to work fine in most cases for a modern day "liberal".
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Religious affiliation of smart people vs les miserables
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Re: Why is it like this?
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That is because they are white Christian nationalists, they are about political power, not Christ. And of course far far-right wing politics have infiltrated the church, and these poor souls have been brainwashed since they were young. They lost their ability to think critically a long time ago.
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The real question is why
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are you like you are.
You are mentally incapacitated by woke liberalism. The good news is that you are not alone and one day there may be people brave enough to publish ways to mitigate the disease.
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Another angry lil b!tch
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Help me understand this since you have insight as an atheist Trumper.
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Re: Another angry lil b!tch
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Here is a good explanation of why many libs think the way they do. There are other explanations that touch on some of the same points. I'll try to find more.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJgmoBbuG_b/
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I'm not ever clicking on an Instagram post...
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May 21, 2025, 8:58 AM
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As any real evidence of anything.
You clowns are so in love with Trump that it's become your ideology, and thus you don't even realize you support leftist things he's doing. Did you know tariffs are a left-leaning economic policy? Did you ever learn that?
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Re: Another angry lil b!tch
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Another thought experiment...
When you say people are racist, what does that mean? It means that you believe they do [what] with respect to people not like them.
What is the [what]? Hate, want to kill, want to suppress, want to make suffer? Exactly what evil things do us racists have in mind for those racism victims?
Have you ever seen or heard first hand (with your own eyes and ears) any of your racist friends, colleagues, or associates do these evil acts against the victims? I'd love to read an account of some of the racist acts you have personally witnessed and how these acts affected the victim.
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People who dehumanize others based on race is a start
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And you have fit that definition many times on this board.
Have you ever seen or heard first hand (with your own eyes and ears) any of your racist friends, colleagues, or associates do these evil acts against the victims? I'd love to read an account of some of the racist acts you have personally witnessed and how these acts affected the victim.
You and I are from the same hometown, bud (based on what you've posted). If you didn't see the racism there growing up, then you were a contributor to it.
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I know you rarely answer after you post stupid things, but...
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what about Cata screams "woke liberal" to you?
You mention mental incapacitation...to me not being able to discern anti-MAGA/Trump from woke liberal is a pretty good example.
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The whole maga/trump cult is made up
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Nobody has it. How many pub friends do I and my wife have and zero of them care about Trump. They care about defeating the woke policies that the left supports.
This, however, you can never accept, because you believe that when "EVERYONE" believes something that it must be true. And your EVERYONE is defined in the echo chamber.
For whatever reason, your Group Think tells you the science is settled on all this bogus chit that you people believe.
The list of it goes on and on, but you seem to have no memory.
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A reminder that after 2020
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You were so angry that your little orange demigod was defeated that you posted this:
Beginning with the newly established Republican control, we will redefine Treason, Conspiracy, and Espionage to include half of the chit being said/done by the socialist, communist wing of the democratic party. We will begin locking those individuals up and simultaneously shutting them up. Social media giants will be broken up. Regulations will be rolled back. Neilson (ratings company) will be convicted of falsifying data. Universities will be defunded and only US citizens will reap benefits of taxpayer funded research. Universities eliminate BS majors that are meaningless. The economy will be on a roll. Minorities finally get it - that democrats are very, very bad for them.
Liberalism and progressivism will be a fading memory. Life is good!
You are absolutely in a cult. Every criticism of Trump evokes anger from you. In fact, one of the signs of being in a cult is when someone criticizes the leader or the cult, the immediate reaction is to get angry and attack another group.
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I say this seriously...
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What?
Seriously, I read this 3 times and it's totally non-sensical on it's own and especially in reply to what I wrote.
I'm a republican and most of my friends are republican/conservative in nature and most all of them "care about Trump." And polls certainly show that a pretty big percentage of registers republicans support Trump.
And I'm not at all getting your Group Think comment and how that would apply to any of this and especially me.
And finally, none of what you wrote has anything to do with you thinking anyone anti-Trump is a "woke liberal" and not having the mental capacity to differentiate on substance.
Maybe it's a good thing that you don't normally respond...
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I'll give him the same challenge I've given so many others here
May 21, 2025, 9:36 AM
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And every single one of them ran away without a response.
NC, list all the things I believe in that make me a leftist.
I'll start you down already several points right from the beginning:
-I'm pro 2nd amendment and own a bunch of guns.
-I support free trade and the free market with no government interference.
-I want spending cut and smaller, less wasteful government
-I believe our Constitution should be interpreted literally and should be bent to the whims of the time.
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Re: I'll give him the same challenge I've given so many others here
May 21, 2025, 9:38 AM
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1. You don’t worship Trump
End of the list.
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Yep. That's their entire ethos.***
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b/c we're just a bunch of tribal monkeys, man
May 21, 2025, 9:17 AM
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also, it'd pay most christians to read this:
and it'd pay most christians to take some shrooms.
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