We have had nearly 200 mass shootings so far this year in the USA.
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May 6, 2023, 10:34 PM
Today’s shooting in Allen, TX, a suburb of Dallas, left nine people dead. It was the fourth mass shooting today in America and the 199th of the year.
Of course, the government officials in Texas released statements talking about how sad this is and offered their thoughts and prayers - but no proposals about how to reduce the number of shootings.
I thought an armed populace was supposed to deter crimes like this, or at least stop them from happening. Unfortunately, it took a police officer who happened to hear shots to stop the mass murderer. Where were the citizens with guns?
Re: We have had nearly 200 mass shootings so far this year in the USA.
May 6, 2023, 10:52 PM
Huh. We've had 200 so far, and we're a nation of 332 million people. Germany's population is 83.2 million - almost exactly one-quarter of ours. So doing the math, Germany should have had 50 mass shootings already this year.
Did I make a statement about quantity? No. I was pointing out that crazy people can do bad things almost anywhere if they want to. We have more than our fair share of nutjobs in this country.
It was just one of your typically fatuous comments. A distraction from common sense.
is that you don’t think all these mass shootings are a problem, because they happen other places too, and besides there is nothing that can be done when crazy people want to do something like that.
Is that what you want us to gather from your posts?
Just curious - what specific piece of gun control legislation would you pass to stop this? I couldn't find information pertaining to the weapon used in Texas yesterday. I suspect if it were an AR-15 that would be plastered all over the news so I suspect (but don't know) it was something else.
I’m more centrist but definitely lean conservative on some issues.
I think we should pay fewer taxes.
I think the government should be a lot smaller.
I want to see us protect our borders better.
I am pro life. That means that I’m for protecting life across the board. I’m against abortion, but I’m also against the death penalty. I also believe being pro life means doing a better job protecting innocent people from a gunman opening fire.
I’d like to see stricter gun laws.
I’m anti war and think we need to mind our own business a lot more when it comes to other countries.
I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020.
I don’t claim the title of Republican, because the party has become a joke (just like the Democrat party has). My views don’t fit perfectly with any party.
None of this matters with regard to my original post in this thread though.
Re: So you think we are supposed to be okay with mass shootings?***
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May 7, 2023, 12:32 AM
No.
Getting serious about apprehending first time violent offenders and carrying out strict incarcerations would be a real step in the right direction.
Even disgraced former Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot is now advocating (now that her political aspirations have bee crushed … at which point she is no longer addicted to lying) for serious efforts in apprehending criminals and for an end to light sentencing as the only way to get Chicago started on a path to reverse the trajectory of rising crime of all types.
BTW, the citizens who would be hurt the most by outlawing private ownership of firearms would be citizens who live in crime riddled areas.
The white liberal virtue signaling phonies don’t care about how honest people who are unfortunate enough to live / work / run a business in a crime infested neighborhood will protect themselves.
Getting serious about apprehending first time violent offenders and carrying out strict incarcerations would be a real step in the right direction.
Even disgraced former Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot is now advocating (now that her political aspirations have bee crushed … at which point she is no longer addicted to lying) for serious efforts in apprehending criminals and for an end to light sentencing as the only way to get Chicago started on a path to reverse the trajectory of rising crime of all types.
BTW, the citizens who would be hurt the most by outlawing private ownership of firearms would be citizens who live in crime riddled areas.
The white liberal virtue signaling phonies don’t care about how honest people who are unfortunate enough to live / work / run a business in a crime infested neighborhood will protect themselves.
We have some of the highest incarceration rate in the world. So, respectfully, how does your suggestion that we should incarcerate more people make sense?
And look at the glorious nations that join us in the top ten. Oy.
So do you have any thoughts about what should be done
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May 6, 2023, 11:41 PM
to reduce these mass shootings?
I am not being a smarta**. I truly am asking for any guidance on this situation since you said no one offered any proposals to reduce the number of shootings.
The data from other places like Britain and the UK suggest the following
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May 7, 2023, 12:24 AM
as a great place to start:
-Ban semi-automatic weapons -Ban some rifles and handguns as well -Make the gun permit process more thorough -Consider a government gun buyback program
Here’s some fascinating info on what has worked incredibly well in other countries:
Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway: All had a culture of gun ownership, and all tightened restrictions anyway. Their violence statistics now diverge sharply from those of the U.S.
Banning gun access to ‘psychos’ is a false fix to the ‘mass mall shooting’ problem It’s a cheap ‘look at me, I’ve discovered the solution’ trope.
First, a distinction needs to be made between the types of mall shooters.
(1). Shooters with specific grievances about other known acquaintances. These are the shooters who, feeling anger over being disrespected by acquaintances or losing out in a ‘competition’ with acquaintances about something like ‘social benefits’ such as (losing out on) a girlfriend. This group of mall shooter has specific targets in mind; collateral injuries / deaths of other mall shoppers are of no consideration to the aspiring shooter.
(2). Shooters who are mad at the world and want to make a final earthly statement to explain their grievances with society and to punctuate that statement by killing random (unknown) people … although the punctuation becomes more powerful if an especially unappreciative ‘enemy’ person can be taken out.
For category (1) the major fix is easy … and partially counter intuitive. Mall ownership’s budgeting for more professionally trained and psychologically vetted security officers (including non-uniformed personnel to complement the increase in uniformed personnel). To the objection that ‘this costs more and makes the mall look less friendly,’ the answer is easy: Property theft (shop lifting) needs to be curtailed -and- the needs of today’s society for greater security in malls mirrors that of private homes of today needing security systems. A few decades ago, it was common for many households to not lock their doors when spending an afternoon or evening away from home. Society of that time had not devolved into the deranged entitlement culture of today; today’s ‘unfulfilled entitlement-owed’ person feels justified in stealing from others. Now, pretty much all households lock their doors for anything other than walking in the yard. Malls of yesteryear hardly needed to worry about safety-oriented security. Shoplifting was the mall tenants major concern.
For category (2) the major answer is not as easy. The increased presence of mall security will help to divert the wanna be shooter to softer targets. The fundamental problem here is that the wanna be killer, if unable to access firearms, nevertheless remains committed to mayhem. The easy to do alternative? Bombs. Ammonium nitrate + diesel fuel + fuse (can be as simple as a firecracker fuse or … more effective … a cheap battery powered timer which, instead of activating a buzzer or alarm sound, creates electric sparks). With the internet and half a brain, the committed ‘mall shooter’ can learn how to make such a bomb.
(*). In either case, banning guns to private citizens is the wrong cure.
Are you asserting that the mall in Allen, TX was a gun free zone?
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May 8, 2023, 1:12 AM
Don’t you think there were likely shoppers there who were carrying a gun, or at least had the opportunity to?
How did those people help? They didn’t deter the shooter, nor did they disarm him. The shooter was shot because an off-duty police officer happened to be at the mall.
It’s great that the off-duty officer was there. He surely saved some lives. But unfortunately, he didn’t prevent the massacre that happened.
Do you know what would’ve made it harder for the shooter to carry out his plan? I do, and it has to do with it being nearly impossible for him to have access to the weapons he used.
Re: We have had nearly 200 mass shootings so far this year in the USA.
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May 7, 2023, 10:04 AM
Pathetic post.
JK posts this like he has a perfect solution. Please tell us your solution to keep PEOPLE from shooting other poeople?
How can you remove guns from criminals or to-be criminals? How can guns be 'controlled' without leaving only honest law-abiding people without guns?
How about a pre-crime division? Yeah that's it. Let's get three of the best liberal progressive minds together to figure out who is going to be a criminal! Everyone agrees the lefties would be experts at this and completely fair and balanced.
The current chit show which is the mental health of the nation is 98% due to leftists policies of victimization, lawlessness, coddling, grievances, mainstreaming people with 'challenges,' etc.
To solve a problem you have to identify the problem, and it ain't guns. It's PEOPLE with guns.
Significantly reducing the availability of the critical component for these mass shootings - GUNS
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May 8, 2023, 1:20 AM
must be part of the solution. That’s common sense.
Of course mental health is a big part of it. We do a horrible job of that in the United States. And I agree that our culture, which seems to encourage offense taken and grievances aired, is also a problem.
But the low hanging fruit here is the guns. That’s where we must start.
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