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Ring of Honor [22709]
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Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
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Sep 13, 2024, 10:52 AM
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I enjoyed Luginbill's comments about Dabo and the portal. I thought he made some great points and reinforced the way Dabo looks at things. I still think it is possible for Dabo to use the portal "his way" rather than completely ignore it, if he so chooses.
When it comes to recruiting, be that HS or portal, I say just keep doing what you are doing the right way. HS players get tampered with and paid off too, just like the portal, and yet we still do things the right way and attract talented rosters.
Dabo did the right thing by recently going after 3 OL from the portal. He didn't get any of them but he saw the need and made the offers. For me personally, that is all I ask. Just like HS recruiting, if you see someone you like, then sell them on what you have to offer. If they go elsewhere, that's fine.
I agree that the top 10-20% of the players in the portal may not be available to you if you don't tamper or pay them off. However, with 3400+ players in the last portal window, there is still value down the list that can be had the right way. Plenty of programs that also do things the right way have found value in the portal, just like they do in HS. Many of our 2* and 3* players of the past have turned out to be diamonds in the rough and there are plenty of portal players that don't attract a lot of attention, that could also turn out the same way.
My final take on portal is, do your homework, find the right guys the right way, recruit them hard if you think they can fill a gap or add depth.
Just like you did when you put out those 3 OL offers...
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
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Sep 13, 2024, 10:56 AM
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I don’t think you can get really any top tier talent without tampering. The guys we could get are probably not better than the ones we have. Getting those high $ players would mean having to tamper and Dabo is not going to play that game
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:01 AM
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I think I agreed with you about the top 10-20%, which at 20% would have been the top 700 players in the last window. However, we did put out 3 OL offers which I assume we felt were at least as good as, if not better, than what we had.
My only real point was keep doing it your way if you think it can help your program rather than just completely ignoring it. Dabo has said in the past that is kind of the way he looks at it and I think that is a good way to be.
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It is baffling that anyone would use the obsolete term.
Sep 13, 2024, 3:34 PM
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"tampering"
There is no such thing any more.
It's simply the same as a y other corporate recruiting. The NCAA rule against it is illegal and unenforceable
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
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Sep 13, 2024, 10:58 AM
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We would never really get anyone that would be any more than a depth guy without tampering. Maybe you find a gem but honestly doubtful.
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Again, we must have found 3 OL we thought did that or we probably would not have offered them...
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
Sep 13, 2024, 2:18 PM
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And we didn’t get them, because we didn’t tamper or offer $$$
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I am a firm believer...
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:02 AM
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that in order to get the top talent from the portal, two things have to happen.
1 - Tampering
2 - Engaging in a bidding war
Dabo isn't going to do either.
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Re: I am a firm believer...
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:04 AM
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With 3400 players in the last window, there is still a lot of value past the top talent. We sign very few 5* players out of HS but have found a lot of success from many of the 2* and 3* players we brought in from the past.
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The question then becomes...
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:07 AM
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are those types of players better than who you already have. In the vast majority of cases, I'd speculate they are not.
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Re: The question then becomes...
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:09 AM
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We aren't talking about the CO model. We are talking about 3-4 players based on areas where we may be thin and want a little more experience, rather than having to throw a Freshman in who might not be ready. We develop a lot of our guys who never get their chance to see the field until year 3 or 4 because they are not ready. Lithicum is a good example.
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Re: I am a firm believer...
Sep 13, 2024, 11:56 AM
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I’d you already have 4 stars who aren’t developing as fast as you want in your room, do you think 2 or 3 star guys from other schools are going to develop faster?
Despite having a gajillion resources, the coaching staff has a limit on who can be scouted and film they can watch. At least with their network of high school coaches the coaching staff can get intel on who has potential much more quickly. A college coach isn’t going to campaign for a guy who bails on his program unless he is doing him a solid after pushing him out, and if he is pushing him out he is not going to push him towards Clemson.
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Re: I am a firm believer...
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Sep 13, 2024, 12:32 PM
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You can't watch a game these days without a guy making a great play followed by "the X university transfer." And most aren't all 4 and 5 star guys...
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Luginbill was right on the money, so to speak. Like Dabo said, the most talented
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:09 AM
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guys in the Portal either already have a Tampered Deal in place prior to entry, or they want money up front, which Dabo is not going to do. The concept of working hard, getting positive results, and THEN getting paid, is foreign to most younger people. That, and of course BROWN NOSING, have been the two accepted ways of getting ahead in the real working world for years. I worked with a few truly professional Brown Nosers over the years.
At my first job in industry, we had a guy who was such a nose, we put together a leather tool belt with brake lights on it, and presented it to his boss, so that the noser would know when he was about to stop, so as to not crash into the nether regions unawares. I even asked his boss one time if it was just us, or if it was obvious that guy was trying to kiss his ar$e. He laughed and said, "Oh, it's pretty obvious." That was one rare case where Brown Nosing really never got the Noser anywhere. He was too blatant about it, I guess.
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Re: Luginbill was right on the money, so to speak. Like Dabo said, the most talented
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:19 AM
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How many more posts are you guys going to post about the portal? SMH !
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Re: Luginbill was right on the money, so to speak. Like Dabo said, the most talented
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:34 AM
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Maybe you should complain to TNet and tell them to stop posting the interviews on it...
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the flaw in your argument is this
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:29 AM
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""with 3400+ players in the last portal window, there is still value down the list that can be had the right way"
why do you think they would be any better than the 3 star backups on the roster.
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Re: the flaw in your argument is this
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:32 AM
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If we have a need, I think out of 3400 players we might find 3-4 who could help. Again, I assume we would not have offered 3 linemen recently if we didn't think that was the case.
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Ultimate Tiger [33632]
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that's the other flaw in your argument
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:35 AM
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do your homework, find the right guys the right way, recruit them hard if you think they can fill a gap or add depth
you just admitted that the staff does do their homework.. they do look for help.. and they do offer players they think can help.
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Re: that's the other flaw in your argument
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:38 AM
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I did, and I also said I felt like that was the Dabo way and I hoped he keeps doing it rather than writing it off, like a lot of folks seem to want to advocate because they think if you don't cheat or pay you can't get anyone who can help. We know a lot of this has gone on with the top players out of HS too, but that doesn't prevent us from doing it the Dabo way and still building talented rosters.
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Ultimate Tiger [33632]
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it's a no win situation if you don't win
Sep 13, 2024, 12:44 PM
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Dieon uses the heck outta the portal..
He's the John Calipari of college football.
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Game Changer [1797]
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Huh? He signs 1 and done McDonald's AA out of hs..
Sep 13, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Don't believe they sign any more transfers than is the norm
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Ultimate Tiger [33632]
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exactly.... it was all about the sport..
Sep 13, 2024, 2:19 PM
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no consideration to an education or development.
Get the best players possible in a 1 year deal (no school necessary) and then send them off and get another.
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Re: the flaw in your argument is this
Sep 13, 2024, 2:21 PM
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If we have a need, I think out of 3400 players we might find 3-4 who could help. Again, I assume we would not have offered 3 linemen recently if we didn't think that was the case.
Those 3-4 linemen were not “down the list”.
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Re: the flaw in your argument is this
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Not sure I understand the point you are making...
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Re: the flaw in your argument is this
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:51 AM
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If you are saying the inn is full and we have no other slots available, then it takes care of itself. Assuming this is your point. However, next year it goes to 105.
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Ultimate Tiger [33632]
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i think he is disagreeing with me
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Sep 13, 2024, 12:47 PM
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and saying statistically speaking a pool of 3400 players has at least one that is better than a kid in a pool of 85 players.
Even though Clemson has like 120 players
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Re: i think he is disagreeing with me
Sep 13, 2024, 1:53 PM
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Ah, thank you for providing clarity. But, Dabo says there aren't so I guess we have to go with that 
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To continue that...
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Sep 14, 2024, 3:19 AM
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why does anyone think that after another year of training they won't look elsewhere for a better paycheck.
That, imo, is unsustainable if you're looking at underclassmen. That's also assuming that the top prospects are probably found in the Jr or Sr years and can go pro.
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We currently do not have enough linebackers.***
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Sep 13, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Re: We currently do not have enough linebackers.***
Sep 14, 2024, 7:00 AM
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The ones we have are choice and we have talent to develop!
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Agree with most of this. However, if they're still in HS and only committed
Sep 13, 2024, 12:04 PM
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elsewhere and not signed, it's not really tampering to continue to work them and try to flip. They're still free agents of a sort. Once they're on campus and in a program - different story altogether.
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Varsity [104]
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That's an oxymoron.
Sep 13, 2024, 4:01 PM
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There is no way to use the portal the Dabo way. That is the antithesis of the Dabo way, unless you're talking about a one-way street out of Clemson.
Using the portal "the Dabo way" would be like going to a corral of horses in Texas and expecting to rope a zebra...or maybe a unicorn.
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Solid Orange [1342]
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
Sep 13, 2024, 7:45 PM
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No it's totally impossible...that's why Dabo does it so well!
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Re: Is it possible to use the portal "the Dabo way"?
Sep 13, 2024, 9:38 PM
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Where I see Dabo using the portal is players we actively recruited in high school and visited us.... ones we were in their top 4 or something, and for whatever reason, decided to go elsewhere.
So there is already a relationship, they have visited Clemson, etc....
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102386]
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Most of the best players in the portal are just looking for a payday.
Sep 14, 2024, 3:16 AM
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They are either needy or greedy and selfish. If they are high quality recruits Clemson can probably meet their needs. Some, if not most who ask for the big bucks are simply looking for a paycheck. They will work their butts off to be better on the field but not always as much, if any, in their personal lives. They are subject to live recklessly and carefree with no real concern for education.
Most of the top players in the portal are not suitable for our program. That sounds high and mighty for me to say that but this is really a credit to Dabo. He build this high moral standard at Clemson and I just happened to be blessed to attend and graduate here.
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Varsity [104]
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So are YOU needy, greedy, or both because you get paid for your work?
Sep 14, 2024, 6:19 AM
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Is Dabo greedy because he gets $11 million a year? He's certainly not needy.
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Solid Orange [1342]
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Re: So are YOU needy, greedy, or both because you get paid for your work?
Sep 14, 2024, 7:05 AM
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A&M got a bargain with Dumbo Fishnet and what did that cost them? What value do you place on Dabp...Danny Ford got us a natty and disgrace...Dabo got us 2 with praise!
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Please get your narrative right.
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Sep 14, 2024, 7:11 AM
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Everyone but us cheats. No other program besides us does things the right way.
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