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HOAs - interesting data
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1) In 2023, about 65% of new single-family homes were built within HOAs, up from 49% in 2009, according to the U.S. Census.
2) Nearly three-quarters, or 70%, of surveyed homeowners say if they were to buy a new home in the future, they would prefer a community without an HOA, according to recent data from Frontdoor. The home repair and maintenance services company in September polled 1,005 homeowners, 85% of whom are currently part of an HOA.
3) Many Americans are satisfied with their HOA. About 60% of surveyed homeowners reported having a positive experience with their community, according to Frontdoor. But others go through grievances. About 1 in 3 had some experience that made them want to move, Frontdoor found. Of those wanting to leave the neighborhood, 63% complained about fees while 53% cited inconsistent rule enforcement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/02/heres-what-the-rise-of-homeowners-associations-means-for-buyers.html
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Until I get thrown in an old age home, I'll never purposely live in a
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HOA neighborhood again.
I don't need Marge or Ken down the street riding around on their golf cart determining how long my garage door should stay open, or how soon is too soon to drag my yard trimmings in brown paper bags to the street.
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Hey now***
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Hey hey now.***
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Re: HOAs - interesting data
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Am I the only one who thinks it would be awesome to be the president of an HOA? I bet they get all the women.
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It's Home Owners not Ho Owners***
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Chad is more of a Ho Renter***
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Re: Chad is more of a Ho Renter***
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The woman sitting next to me at the laundromat just looked at me like I was crazy because I snorted after reading that.
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Bro is FastChad trying to become FastDad ?
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Dec 3, 2024, 10:41 AM
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because you soon will, wearing that bling
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It's a balance and you can't let the wrong people take it over
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Ours is nice, but it's only $300 a year and has had the same President for 20+ years. Pays for some street lights, keeping up the entrance, some mowing of undeveloped areas, etc. However, some of our new neighbors are chomping at the bit to expand it's scope so I know whenever he steps down we'll have some problems.
That said, our last neighborhood had no HOA. Once the original home owners started moving out we got cars parked in the front yard, chained up pitbulls, and run down camper yard art. In fact, I drove by my old house coming back from the game Saturday and there's what I'm guessing is a 1970's RV parked in the backyard with a makeshift awning over it. I'd love to look at that every day. The neighbors across the street I had a falling out with are still there, the spray painted #3 Chevy Cobalt "race car" is still in the yard. I bet they still rev it for a few hours every weekend too.
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"run down camper yard art"
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Dec 3, 2024, 10:42 AM
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my friend, you can turn a phrase like no one else.
I admire it
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They do, theirs are just more violent with lower impulse control
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Dec 3, 2024, 12:44 PM
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Don't think some of these folks wouldn't shoot you for parking a trailer in your driveway if they thought they could get away with it.
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Dec 3, 2024, 10:45 AM
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I've seen a lot on here about HOA's. Not really a fan, but here's the inconvenient truth:
When planning a subdivision (at least the one's I've worked on) the town will require certain things for plan approval. Sidewalks, storm water retention and in some instances a mail kiosk. All of these features are not to be in the R.O.W. because neither DOT nor the town will maintain them. Some towns and municipalities require a certain percentage of the entire subdivision be left for "open space". The area of the ROW and/or wetlands doesn't count to meet this percentage. It must be buildable space left undeveloped. So, in those areas of no-man's land (not your property and not in the ROW) and HOA must be established to maintain those areas. And that must be stated on the plans for approval. So....in order to maintain those things like sidewalks and storm retention ponds, fees are required.
Some subdivisions take this a step further with their covenants for yards, trash cans, boats and/or campers etc. All in the name of protecting the value of your home. I suppose to ensure a "nice" neighborhood remains a "nice" neighborhood. Not sure how that stacks up against things like school districts and things like that, but there it is.
Planning requirements may be the cause of the rise in HOA's.
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I was surprised at our HOA's budget change 2 years ago
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Dec 3, 2024, 3:07 PM
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There were the obvious big line items in the budget were for community pool and tennis court maintenance, but I don't think those changed much.
But the big change?
The EPA or maybe the Georgia equivalent changed the requirements for "managed wetlands" (which is what the storm water runoff areas are around the neighborhood). And the bill to bring those areas up to the new code ... yikes.
And it was an unplanned expense. Double yikes.
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Open Space maintenance and shared recreational areas in new subdivisions require
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HOAs. Ours isn't bad, so far, but I guess I haven't run afoul of them.
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In our neighborhood, boat owners don't like to follow the rules.
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Dec 3, 2024, 10:50 AM
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They want to keep their boats in their driveway and/or their yard as long as they can get away with it even though they agreed they would not when they bought the house. They constantly force their neighbors and the HOA to ask them to remove them.
On a side note, I did have an HOA Manager(not ours) tell me that homeowners should talk to their neighbors directly about rules violations and not put it on the Property Manager to enforce. I thought that was their job.
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Well that's a stupid rule, I wouldn't follow it, either.
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They don't "force" their neighbors to do anything, their neighbors are whiny asssholes unless it's some run down POS that hasn't ever moved and is just an eye sore.
You honestly sound like the type of person who make HOA's unbearable...You can't talk to your neighbor about a problem? Really? This is the type of attitude that brings about some overbearing, nosy, busy body HOA phaggot invading everyone's lives.
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Sure, but it's not some rule that was a surprise AFTER somebody buys a house.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:06 AM
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If you know what the rules are before purchase, you don't get to decide which ones are stupid and don't need to be followed after purchase.
Like our hood has a rule that boats can be kept in backyards as long as they're not visible above the fence (at least I think that's what it is); I don't really care if the top of a boat is visible above a 6' fence in a backyard, but the HOA apparently does. That said, it is kinda nice not seeing a boat in every 3rd or 4th driveway.
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Whats the difference?
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:11 AM
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Are boats that offensive to look at..in someone else's yard?
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No, people just get jelly they don't have one***
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Yeah, that must be it.
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The rest of us are just seething with jealousy.
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If you complain about a boat in someones yard that is not some run down
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POS, 99% of the time, yes, that is the case. Either that, or mental illness.
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Re: If you complain about a boat in someones yard that is not some run down
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Pick the eyesore!
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Is it the boat and trailer? The front yard firepit my neighbors built and all our surrounding neighbors start a fire in and hang around on Fridays, the boat trailer axles I need to remove the hubs and haul off that are beside the garage, the 8x8 post I use for stuff behind them, the trash can, or my 16 year old 4Runner?
Or the whole stupid thing?
Somewhere an HOA Karen is calling the cops about it all.
Edit: I think the real eyesore is the front porch railing. I hate that thing. Next year when I re-do the back porch, I'm going to rip that out, too.
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Needs a pallet fence so nobody can see it from the road.***
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Been working on that plan
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I figure when I redo the back porch I'll get some tips from FBcooch on pallet placement and the best way to staple old indoor-outdoor carpet to it.
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I think the worst part is the one car garage
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that's too small for a car.
Don't worry, it doesn't appear that your neighborhood is nice enough to be concerned with a boat parked beside the house. I can't say anything tho, my neighbors down the street constructed a fence out of tires.
What you have is way better than parking it in the driveway. My only rec is to put some concrete under it.
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Agree on the garage.
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It fits my golf cart and a lawn mower, and that's about it. It's kind of pointless, really. When I bought the house, and even now, there's not much to choose from where I wanted to live under a million, so the house checked about 80% of the boxes, most notably price.
I have been thinking of pouring a concrete pad for the boat, but I need to replace/move that section of the fence, all the exterior doors, and rebuild the back porch first. I'd like to make that an outside room of sorts, with an A frame/metal roof and a ceiling fan, maybe a TV. Additionally, I'd like to get rid of the carpet in the bedrooms and put down hardwood, and it appears that I'll need a new stove shortly.
So yeah..no concrete pad any time soon.
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"Offensive" is a strong word,
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but it's also not that great seeing something the size of an RV that sits immobile in the same exact spot for 359 days of the year. I don't think this makes me an HOA Karen. Maybe it does.
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I guess I don't get it
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I don't care what someone else has in their yard. If they want to let their house look like chit, that's on them, not me.
I had a real estate friend tell me they had a client that wouldn't even look at houses in my hood because we didn't have an HOA. I was thankful they didn't buy in here because I can imagine what that would turn into, and if they would have driven through the hood they might have figured out that the $400K houses that are now selling for a million $ 5 years later don't have owners that trash their house.
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And that's fine.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:27 AM
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That's why you specifically sought a house/neighborhood with no HOA.
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rather see a boat for 359 days a year
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than blow up Santas and Snowmen for 3+ months.
How do HOAs handle Christmas yard clutter, both premature and those who linger until around Valentine's Day?
THAT is the eyesore most needing strict enforcement.
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fines, more fines, house liens, constant complaining***
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The sales contract includes an agreement that the Buyer is familiar with and
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:24 AM
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will abide by the HOA rules. If a Buyer doesn't like the rules, they shouldn't sign the contract. Find a neighborhood that allows boats.
Once an exception is made, you lose the ability to enforce any rules at all.
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Or, I could buy the house, ignore the rules, and when somebody has a
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:32 AM
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problem work to take over the HOA and change the rules. Then I would put 2 boats in my yard to spite everyone who fugged with me.
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You don't seem like the kind of neighbor that any neighbor could have a
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:35 AM
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civil conversation with about a rules violation.
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How would you know? Your first move is to whine to the HOA board like a child.***
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Almost every boat in existence is going to be visible over a 6'
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fence when sitting on a trailer. Sure I do, I agree to all sorts of stuff I think is stupid and have no intention of following. The problem also becomes, if you don't fight that kind of nonsense head on it'll spread like a cancer. People have boats around navigable water, that's the way it is. Around me, you can't find even outdoor storage in a lot of cases and marinas are full.
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Bruh.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:30 AM
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There's a difference between buying a house in a neighborhood with HOA rules stated up front, and buying a house and having an HOA spring new rules you disagree with AFTER you bought the house and moved in.
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Sure, but rules can be changed
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What I've found is most people want to avoid confrontation to the point they'll let others walk all over them. So in a case like this, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people opposed the rule, but they won't speak up or do anything about it. It takes somebody willing to say "this rule is stupid, #### you" to get things changed.
So if I found a house/property that checked all of my boxes other than that, I'd have no problem proceeding with the purchase.
The bigger problem is nobody can be reasonable anymore. There's a big difference between Ricky's 1972 Bertram that's been sitting there since the late 80's and Jerry's 2022 Grady he takes out once a month.
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Yeah, but you can't put an acceptable price range / value into the rules
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That would just cause more issues. If your neighborhood is really worth having an HOA, put the boat in the garage.
If the boat is too large for the garage, it's probably too large for the driveway and is better off at a storage site.
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That would be what, anything over 20'? Maybe 21' if you have a swing away
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trailer tongue? Definite no go if you have a t-top. Frankly, I think that's unreasonable. Storage isn't very easy to get these days.
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My 17' whaler would only fit in my 2 car garage if I turned it sideways
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and it had a folding tongue.
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Wait...you are calling out HOA Karens and saying you would change the rules
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Dec 3, 2024, 12:29 PM
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but only for nice boats, shiddy ones would have to ... follow some new rules created when you changed the existing rules?
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No, if we couldn't be reasonable and allow boats at peoples property
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considering we live by navigable waterways that are frequented by recreational boaters, I would commandeer the HOA to change the rules.
However, I am assuming that rule was made to keep out 'projects' that do not get used and just rot away in the yard, which would be an eye sore. I don't consider a kept up boat that is used an eye sore. The problem is, the busy body rule follower can't differentiate between the two, so rules would have to be changed.
To make it relatable, consider below APM's HOA restricting the number of dogs you have to keep out breeders. Understandable, but if the property was close to your kids school, walkable to the beach, parks, trails, etc. are you going to move 20 miles out so you can keep your 18 Golden retrievers? Are you going to re-home some of them to get under the required number? What's your play?
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A. Our hood doesn't restrict pets and I would think 3-4 would be OK in most
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Dec 3, 2024, 12:48 PM
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hoods that do restrict pets. Possibly townhouse HOAs would restrict pets but not single-family residences.
2. I wouldn't move into a hood with that restriction if I had 18 dogs
I just guess I don't understand the connection there. If you have a boat and need to store it in your yard and you are moving, why move to a neighborhood that keeps you from doing that exact thing? And if they do, and that is the BEST house for you, then you need to find another place to store your boat. It doesn't seem that hard.
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In his situation he says they also restrict the size of dogs
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He also mentions that everyone pretty much ignores those rules. Which is exactly what reasonable people would do, whether it be related to dogs or a boat that isn't a total POS. In this situation you aren't a breeder, and I'm not collecting non running boats...We are not violating the spirit of the rule necessarily. However, some people can't understand those nuances, which is where it gets messy.
It doesn't seem that hard, but it is that hard. Years long wait list at the marinas, I know a guy who has been on one for 3 years for Portman to get a slip. Indoor storage is the same way. Ditto for dry stack. Outdoor you may get lucky, but you're paying money to basically assure your shid gets stolen at some point.
Plus, at the end of the day it's like 5% of people who really have a problem with it, and they're going to have a problem with anything you do that isn't exactly to their liking. Whether it be boats, a trampoline, maybe even a 3rd car they don't think you should have.
FWIW I do not store my boat in my yard. Some of my neighbors do, doesn't bother me in the least bit. However, there are like 2 people in my hood who do complain, and I hate them with a fugging passion. Which is why you see me arguing about this, and why I go to all HOA meetings so I can shut down this BS before it starts.
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I suddenly understand the premise for the TV Series "Fear Thy Neighbor"
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violence and death is the only proper answer to HOA rules like this.
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Its pretty crazy.
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HOA's do be like that
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I think you basically have three options.
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Dec 3, 2024, 10:56 AM
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1. live far enough away from any neighbors that you don't see or care what they do unless you make an effort.
2. Have close neighbors in a planned neighborhood, with an HOA. Put up with some annoyances and occasional silly/unfair rules about front door paint colors and pressure washing a mailbox and treehouses and the like, but largely enjoy a neighborhood that doesn't have broken down cars and boats and campers and hip-high weeds and couches and washing machines in front yards.
3. Live in the same neighborhood as 2, but no HOA, and you're basically FBcooch in a broken down pickup truck bed hot tub.
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My hood doesn't have an HOA.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:08 AM
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That's one of the main reasons I moved here.
I walk the dogs around the hood pretty regularly, and I don't know of any houses in my hood that are a problem. We've got one up the street that a cop has two daughters and a son with kids living in a <1500 sq ft house, and he has 2 new F250 trucks he parks in his yard along with a car trailer, but it's not my yard he parks his F250's in, so I don't care.
I'm just glad I don't have someone complaining and giving me fines if I don't bring my garbage can back in 30 minutes after the trash is collected, or telling me how long I can leave my garage door open. Or that if they look real hard they can see my trash cans. Or most important for me, that I keep my boat in my side yard.
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The garage door thing is very dumb, I agree.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:11 AM
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That feels like some serious overstepping, and unless they're using HOA dues to pay somebody to monitor that 24 hours a day (they're not), it relies on neighbors snitching about something that's harmless by any standards, and that amounts to bullshit.
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HOAs are like gun laws.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:00 AM
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How dare you tell me what to do.
But those OTHER PEOPLE need some guidelines.
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Anybody that is pro HOA better not come talking to me about
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:07 AM
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freedom.
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HOAs are getting way to close to Big Brother from George Orwell's 1984 for me.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:13 AM
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Kind of like the reason Jay Leno said he would never own a new Ferrari. Ferrari wants to be able to tell car owners what they can, and cannot do with their own cars, AFTER they buy them.
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HOA, LOLUTZ.
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:28 AM
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Did I mention...LOLUTZ
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Lemme tell ya a story
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:35 AM
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Not our HOA, but the neighborhood next to ours. I've been able to sneak into their Facebook group to watch the drama and it's been great.
-Former president basically strong-armed the weak board into having the HOA hire his landscape company to do work.
-He's targeted another landscape company owner (a friend of mine) and his family that have never said a word to him or done anything to him, even going so far as to pull out his rival's signs from other yards and block his wife on Facebook.
-Had an incident where he confronted a family night swimming with their kids at the pool and almost got in a fight with the dad. Turns out he was sitting in his house and constantly watching people on the cameras as they swam.
-Finally resigned from the board in disgrace after the entire neighborhood made it clear they wanted him out, to which the letter from the HOA company about it sounded like they were glad to be rid of him.
-When a lady asked on the group to borrow fans because their A/C went out, he replied something like, "I hate you and your family, but I'll let you borrow a fan because I'm the bigger person." (Almost an exact quote but maybe a word or two off). Completely out of nowhere and unprovoked.
-He has a man bun.
HOA boards often attract power hungry ### clowns who think it becomes their kingdom.
Our HOA is pretty good although there are often money questions. But they run the show without causing drama.
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Again, as one who sits on an HOA Board, it is not easy but it beats the
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Dec 3, 2024, 11:59 AM
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alternative. Namely, people messing up the neighborhood by doing any crazy thing they want.
And even with our HOA and its rules, there are certain rules everyone ignores. For example, number of dogs and size of dogs.
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WOT? They have a rule on how many pets you can have?
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Do they have rules on how fat someone can be? Is that why you are always on a diet?
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Orange Immortal [65493]
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Yep. Can't have dog breeding in the 'hood.***
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Dec 3, 2024, 12:06 PM
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Sometimes, when the mood strikes us right, the wife and I have our own little
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Dec 3, 2024, 12:32 PM
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doggystyle breeding session. I hope that isn't a rule in my hood.
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One of the bottom lines is that if you have common areas, you need an HOA.
Dec 3, 2024, 12:14 PM
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Otherwise they will not be maintained. This includes entrances, signs, greeen areas, retention ponds, etc. Add in a clubhouse pool and tennis courts and it gets more complicated.
I served on boards in Cameron Wood (CLT), Stonehaven (Simple-ville) and Port O'Call (Wild Dunes). It was mostly very amiable except when the Buildings had to be painted or we had to force owners to replace windows, etc. Maybe a few 1 offs for various "noncompliance".
There are obviously some bad actors, but in those situations I thought we managed the issues, budgets, expenses, etc. very well.
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We have 2 entrances
Dec 3, 2024, 12:30 PM
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the people who live around them seem to love to cut that grass and put flowers and stuff in them. I'd be OK if the entrance flower gardens just went away, if that's what it took.
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Re: HOAs - interesting data
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Dec 3, 2024, 12:37 PM
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I know a lot of folks despise HOA's, but having been president of one for nine years, I can say with certainty that if it weren't for the HOA in my hood, the place would go to ##### in no time flat. Back when I first bought, about 15% of the homes were rentals. Now it's more like 35%, and renters don't give a flying rabbitfuck.
Cool story... caught a couple going at it doggy at the pool one night and was obliged to get'em 'unhooked' so to speak. But man, that chick was smoking! Had to give that dude some props for scoring that number.
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What type of dog was it?
Dec 3, 2024, 3:08 PM
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A spaniel, I bet.
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This thread has taught me that one man's chained pitbull is another man's
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Dec 3, 2024, 2:53 PM
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24' Boston Otter.
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A wut?
Dec 3, 2024, 5:11 PM
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Damnson..Boston WHALER?
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All I see being built now are townhomes
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Dec 3, 2024, 8:24 PM
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So that number is gonna rise. The only single family homes being built around here are income based houses in urban areas. Go figure! The suburbs are going to the cities and vice versa.
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