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Don't say gay bill
Mar 29, 2022, 8:36 PM
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After seeing this video and others that were worse, I just have to ask W T F is going on with these gay teachers in FL pushing their lifestyle on kindergarten kids?
This is bullchit to say the least. The left is so screwed up it's not even describable.
https://youtu.be/QTTSWpjt7TA?t=62
And, if the guy is not doing the things he says he is not doing, then the bill will not affect him. If he can't tell his students he went paddle-boating over the weekend and leave the part out where he sucked his boyfriends wang, then it sounds to me like the bill is indeed needed.
I'm sure the hoax-ridden echo chamber has all sorts of lies about the bill. Here's one part - oooh this is really bad stuff isn't it?
(c) ... adopt procedures for notifying a
69 student's parent if there is a change in the student's services
70 or monitoring related to the student's mental, emotional, or
71 physical health or well-being and the school's ability to
72 provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the
73 student. The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of
74 parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control
75 of their children by requiring school district personnel to
76 encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her
77 well-being with his or her parent or to facilitate discussion of
78 the issue with the parent. The procedures may not prohibit
79 parents from accessing any of their student's education and
80 health records created, maintained, or used by the school
81 district, as required by s. 1002.22(2).
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Early bird gets the worm ...
Mar 29, 2022, 8:38 PM
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 29, 2022, 8:46 PM
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 29, 2022, 8:52 PM
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Sooooo. Hollywood cheers assault and battery committed by a guy that was standing up for his wife; while simultaneously excoriating parents that want to stand up for their 5 year old kids.
Liberals are the fkn worst.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 8:43 AM
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I don't recall seeing anyone cheering the actions of Will Smith. I'm not saying there may not have been any out there who were, but everyone I've seen talk about it have spoke against using physical violence to deal with that situation.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 29, 2022, 10:00 PM
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The Bill basically says, among other things, that sexuality can not be discussed in public schools until after 3rd grde. I believe the progressive elementary education I got in NJ did not start teaching sexuality until the 4th grade....so...
Yes, it seems the overreactions are bit much here, but legislating the public school curriculum from the statehouse is not the job of the governor, and a bit of an overreach. That being said, there is nothing about this bill that is not accepted common knowledge among educators. Basically, it is an unnecessary sideshow intended to give the evangelicals hardons, kinda like NC signing a bill into law preventing sharia law.
And no, you sickos, this is not to prevent gay teachers from preying on students, I do not recall seeing that language in the bill either.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 29, 2022, 11:51 PM
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"the progressive elementary education I got in NJ..."
Well that certainly sheds an unflattering light on your leftist leanings.
Say, if public school curriculums aren't legislated from the statehouse, who sets them? Teacher unions? Unelected bureaucrats in Washington? Educators hired by demographics instead of qualification? If you had a five or six or seven-year old, would you send him/her off on a bus not knowing what they were being taught? Would your NJ parents have sent you off without knowing?
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 29, 2022, 11:58 PM
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We’re teachers in Florida supposedly leading classes about sexual preference or something? If so, does this bill indicate that it’s perfectly ok to lead a class lesson on that in the 4th grade?
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 12:05 AM
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If you're going to answer questions with questions, then fine... here's one for you. Do you support the sexualization of children?
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that is what people would like you to believe
Mar 30, 2022, 12:16 AM
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if a teacher were straying outside the lines and teaching age-inappropriate material, they would not last very long once parents got wind of it. But yeah, ghey teachers are grooming 3rd graders, that is the message we are supposed to take away from this. Thank you, lord Desantis, for saving us from the sexually deviant miscreants on the Public school boards in Florida.
so no on your first question, although there are always outliers, and yes on 2, in so far as how I read it.
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Re: that is what people would like you to believe
Mar 30, 2022, 12:30 AM
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"if a teacher were straying outside the lines and teaching age-inappropriate material, they would not last very long once parents got wind of it."
How 'bout we make sure parents don't have to wait to 'get wind of it'?
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Like this?
Mar 30, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Re: Like this?
Mar 30, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Re: Like this?
Mar 30, 2022, 12:26 PM
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Agree - woke + disgrace***
Mar 30, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Re: Like this?
Mar 31, 2022, 8:21 PM
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The mouse turned into a rat.
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Why are libs going to such great lengths to lie
Mar 30, 2022, 1:17 AM
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About a bill about sexuality for k-3?
That is very creepy
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"a bill about sexuality for k-3"
Mar 30, 2022, 1:56 AM
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sure makes it sound like the creepy ones are the ones pushing the bill, right?
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Because people who haven't been in a classroom in 30 years
Mar 30, 2022, 8:14 AM
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or had kids in a classroom in 10 know exactly what's going on in every classroom every day all over the country.
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Re: Because people who haven't been in a classroom in 30 years
Mar 30, 2022, 9:46 AM
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I am just glad there are so many Carolinians willing to defend public education in Florida.
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Re: Why are y'all lying...
Mar 30, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Catahoula® says "About the idea that this was actually being taught in K-3?"
Well I guess I saw the only 3 or 4 K-3 teachers in FL willing to go on video and rant about not being able to talk about their gay rainbow flag and the sex organs. If the bill keeps these 3-4 people from doing that, then so be it.
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their talking pts are, it's not in the curriculum, lol***
Mar 30, 2022, 4:05 PM
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Yeah, it was basically made-up legislation
Mar 30, 2022, 8:11 AM
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Of course no one was teaching elementary kids about sexual lifestyles. But it did a good job of getting gullible reactionaries fired up for the sake of padding DeSantis's stats.
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Re: Yeah, it was basically made-up legislation
Mar 30, 2022, 10:55 AM
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Your statement reveals that you either (1) are not really paying attention or (2) do know better, but for sociopathic reasons want to indicate that you don't understand ... and hope that your point of view leads other gullible readers to embrace what you had written.
I really hope that it's ignorance (choice # 1) which led you to make that post.
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Show me the k-3 curriculum where teachers are
Mar 30, 2022, 11:52 AM
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teaching sexual preferences
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He'll run away with his tail tucked.
Mar 30, 2022, 1:07 PM
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RememberTheDanny
I predict you can't produce any documented examples and will run away from this thread.
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That's a strange false dichotomy
Mar 30, 2022, 1:06 PM
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So, in this, I either have to be 1. Clueless about all of this. 2. A sociopath.
Just so you don't catch wind of my evil sociopathic plan to indoctrinate kids who still think paste is tasty into sexual preferences, I'm going to deflect and pretend I don't know of any cases where this is happening. Please, enlighten me of specific examples in Florida.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 12:03 AM
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traditional it is done locally by the administrators and boards of education. The Governor is essentially setting up a roadblock that requires legislation to be undone, education standards need to remain fluid.. As I said, I do not disagree with the Bill on its merits, but how he is going about it is borderline authoratarian.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 12:21 AM
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"The Governor is essentially setting up a roadblock that requires legislation to be undone."
D#mn right. And way overdue.
And thank God it's a free country where you can your kids to public school or private.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 12:28 AM
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which private school did you go to?
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 12:36 AM
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None. One didn't have to go to private school circa 1980 to be educated sans social engineering.
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Hey, in that public school you attended
Mar 30, 2022, 8:14 AM
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Did you ever have someone trying to give you the gay in grades K-3?
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Re: Hey, in that public school you attended
Mar 30, 2022, 9:48 AM
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doubtful, gheys were in firmly in the closet WHERE THEY BELONGED, when Pawacoot was on the school yard playing kickball.
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Re: Hey, in that public school you attended
Mar 31, 2022, 12:41 AM
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Gheys were "in the closet where they belonged" before my nutz even dropped?
Thank God I didn't know.
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Which makes you more uncomfortable?
Mar 31, 2022, 7:57 AM
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Commercials with minorities (which you said upset you one day in the Lunge) or commercials with gay people?
Or... Oh God... what about commercials with gay minorities?!
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I hear there are crazy things called...
Mar 30, 2022, 8:05 AM
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Elected local school boards and district officials.
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And an elected Governor and an elected state legislature...
Mar 30, 2022, 8:22 AM
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and a State Board of Education appointed by the gubbner.
In most states, as in FL, public education is a local AND state level control. I don't see at all how this is state level over-reach.
Now...I think one can make a case that the bill wasn't really needed, but at the same time, from what I've seen and read, I have no problem with it.
I think it's fair to say the bill was more about electoral politics than it was about instituting some kind of change to current policy and actions.
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I do hesitate...
Mar 30, 2022, 8:56 AM
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To play the overreach card too quickly. However, in the case of your last line, when it's done for this purpose, then I do see it as a form of overreach, or at least government heavy-handedness. I'm not a fan of unnecessary legislation over things that are already forbidden and policed simply for the sake of boosting a person's political profile.
That's where I'm puzzled why conservatives are moving off their ideology here. Don't they oppose the government passing unnecessary legislation and creating more bureaucratic measures?
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yep, your last point is valid...
Mar 30, 2022, 9:06 AM
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I dare say it's pretty clear than many or most people that call themselves conservative now don't really know what that means...at least on a principled basis.
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There's too much crossing the streams...
Mar 30, 2022, 9:21 AM
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Between what they believe is social conservatism and actual fiscal/small government conservatism. The latter, IMO, is the more significant of the two to define conservatism, and cheering on government strongarm legislation to force the former conflicts with that.
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Re: There's too much crossing the streams...
Mar 30, 2022, 1:57 PM
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Pot calling kettle black.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 10:50 AM
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Similar to presidential executive orders (many of which won't stand up in court ... if they ever get argued in court), gubernatorial executive orders serve to buy time for properly done legislation to get on the books.
There are too many random examples of FL public schools taking secret action (without informing the parent) to 'sexually educate' little kids.
Is this taking place in the majority of FL public elementary schools? No.
Is this taking place sometimes? Yes.
Good for DeSantis! It sends a message to the schools that are thinking about becoming active with a 'secret action to sexualize kids' and a louder message to those schools which are already engaged in such despicable behavior.
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 1:50 PM
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I have not heard or suggested this bill is "...to prevent gay teachers from preying on students"
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Re: Don't say gay bill
Mar 30, 2022, 3:42 PM
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We learned about the bride and the bees in the 5th grade. Parents had to sign a consent form for your kid to attend those classes.
Sexual orientation wasn't discussed. Just anatomy and how babies were made and such
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^ This***
Mar 30, 2022, 10:16 AM
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^^ This squared
Mar 30, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Stupid libs can't even read and interpret the English language.
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FYI...
Mar 30, 2022, 8:04 AM
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"... leave the part out where he sucked his boyfriends wang, then it sounds to me like the bill is indeed needed."
You don't need any new legislation to remove a teacher for talking to students of any age about sucking someone's wang.
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Well guess what, it's not left up to a school board
Mar 30, 2022, 8:11 AM
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In a radical liberal city anymore. The state got those kids covered now.
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I bet you can quickly whip out...
Mar 30, 2022, 8:12 AM
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An example of a liberal city putting sexuality lessons into K-3 curriculum, can't ya?
I'll wait.
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They started teaching kids about breasts in Kindergarten
Mar 30, 2022, 11:30 AM
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Here in conservative SC. Started teaching human body differences, but still too early to teach kids differences between adult boys and girls. They even showed a picture of breasts with a nipple ring.
All here in conservative SC.
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Wut? Where?***
Mar 30, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Re: Wut? Where?***
Mar 30, 2022, 2:00 PM
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He's one of yours, so must be true.
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Pubs: The government should not legislate what we can
Mar 30, 2022, 8:11 AM
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and can't teach in local schools.
Except when it aligns with my bigoted beliefs.
(For the record, I don't believe sexuality should be taught until 5th-6th grade when kids go through the sex ed class)
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Strawman...I've never heard "pubs" say...
Mar 30, 2022, 8:24 AM
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that there should be no legislative control over what can be taught in school. Now I have heard it said that it shouldn't be legislated at the federal level...by me specifically and by a whole host of others.
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I have
Mar 30, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Basically, over anything involving Christianity.
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Re: I have
Mar 30, 2022, 10:59 AM
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The deal about forcing Christianity onto the kids in the public school system ended decades ago.
Got anything more recent ... by that, I mean since electricity was invented?
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At least I can provide examples.***
Mar 30, 2022, 1:08 PM
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Pubs are terrible on schools. Their policy should be to
Mar 30, 2022, 10:05 AM
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eliminate all "public schools" because they're really just communist schools. (owned and operated by the state.)
Schools should be voluntary, private businesses that compete for students. They shouldn't be the rotting piles of garbage that inevitably result from government operation.
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You say that because you want more people with your level
Mar 30, 2022, 10:19 AM
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of critical thinking skills
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Re: You say that because you want more people with your level
Mar 30, 2022, 2:03 PM
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Libs are already turning the public education system into the no education system.
I say let them wallow in their cesspool of lack of discipline, thugness, and graduate everyone no matter what culture.
That will give them a sense of purpose for the next 100 years, if we make it that far as a civilization.
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I'm 100% for public schools
Mar 30, 2022, 12:29 PM
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for teaching kids reading, writing, math, science, and history, all at age appropriate levels. That means NOT teaching prepubescent children anything about sex, sexuality, or sexual orientation. All of that is 100% the parent's domain, and the school should stay totally out of it until that point. It's not complicated, it's not discriminatory, it's not hateful, and it's not evil in any way.
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Re: I'm 100% for public schools
Mar 30, 2022, 1:09 PM
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"That means NOT teaching prepubescent children anything about sex, sexuality, or sexual orientation."
We keep asking people to show us a curriculum on the books that does this but no one can seem to do it...
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Re: I'm 100% for public schools
Mar 30, 2022, 1:19 PM
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Re: I'm 100% for public schools
Mar 30, 2022, 1:23 PM
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"B-b-b-but they're not doing that"
Mar 30, 2022, 3:06 PM
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Bwahahahahaha!
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Sometimes you come really close...
Mar 31, 2022, 7:52 AM
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To putting out some good sensible arguments, and then you fall back into this type of ridiculousness.
At least T3 attempted to provide examples. Most of what he provided, however, were organizations that are supporting this.
What we asked for were written curricula, especially for Florida. We asked you to provide it. Nobody except T3 could provide one example--which was out in California over a 35 minute, once a year class that parents pushed back against.
I hold it's still a non-issue and school districts in Florida aren't pushing this. Prove me wrong.
But you can't. Bwahaha.
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Thanks for actually providing an example
Mar 30, 2022, 1:24 PM
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And for the record, I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I do like the idea of parents working with the districts and boards to resolve.
I saw this part:
"Students enrolled in the school district will learn about gender identity once per year in a 30-45 minute class taught by a school counselor using what the district said are age appropriate books and lesson plans."
So it doesn't look like it's much, but still, I also question the validity here. I would favor letting parents opt kids out of this if they want, like with sex ed in older levels.
To answer your question, I don't think states need to pass laws that appear to be knee-jerk non-issues nor do they need to always be overriding local authority. Florida's appears to be for political grandstanding.
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Re: Thanks for actually providing an example
Mar 30, 2022, 1:26 PM
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That doesn't appear to...
Mar 30, 2022, 1:32 PM
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Advocate pushing this as curriculum to K-3.
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Re: That doesn't appear to...
Mar 30, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Do you have a problem
Mar 30, 2022, 2:02 PM
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with this assuming it is taught at an age-appropriate level, Or do your personal religious beliefs prevent this?
Take your time..
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Re: Do you have a problem
Mar 30, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Re: Thanks for actually providing an example
Mar 31, 2022, 11:08 PM
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And for the record, I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I do like the idea of parents working with the districts and boards to resolve.
I saw this part:
"Students enrolled in the school district will learn about gender identity once per year in a 30-45 minute class taught by a school counselor using what the district said are age appropriate books and lesson plans."
So it doesn't look like it's much, but still, I also question the validity here. I would favor letting parents opt kids out of this if they want, like with sex ed in older levels.
To answer your question, I don't think states need to pass laws that appear to be knee-jerk non-issues nor do they need to always be overriding local authority. Florida's appears to be for political grandstanding.
How about nooooo! How about teach math, science, English, and other important subjects in school like they are paid to do! No one has the right to speak to your children about sexual preferences… No one!
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Re: I'm 100% for public schools
Mar 30, 2022, 2:05 PM
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You said the same about CRT.
Give it a few months or years without being checked and it will be too late.
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What do you mean by schools stay out "until that point"
Mar 30, 2022, 4:47 PM
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Which point are you saying schools should be allowed to enter?
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Re: What do you mean by schools stay out "until that point"
Mar 30, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Seems to be confusion here...
Mar 30, 2022, 6:00 PM
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"All of that is 100% the parent's domain, and the school should stay totally out of it until that point."
My question was about the last part of that sentence, not the first part.
(Kids have the internet, so the days of just "getting a peek" are LONG gone, lol.)
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Re: Seems to be confusion here...
Mar 31, 2022, 11:12 PM
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To be honest, if you were to talk to my child about sex, sexual preferences or anything that has to do with any kind of genitalia and nothing to do with academics , I’ll probably whip your aaaasss and then press charges for lewd behavior and sexual advances with children.
Fact!
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