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Cade Klubnik
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Seems like everything may be on his shoulders this year. I fully expect him to be great. A great passer and a great runner. I can see the athletic plays coming like Johnny Manziel and DW4.
But there’s always a possibility things may not work. Is Cade the one who has to uplift this program back to usual? I don’t think Vizzina will end up any better than Tajh Boyd.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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Apr 12, 2023, 4:34 AM
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Everything isn’t going to be on his shoulders. Shipley and Mafah are going to be property utilized. There’s going to be personnel groupings with both on the field at the same time. Last year we were very inconsistent at putting the ball in our best players hands. That doesn’t always have to come via handoff or pitch.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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Apr 12, 2023, 11:12 AM
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You’re correct, but I meant more of just the situation Cade is in. Recruiting is obviously taking a small step back, and QBs are going elsewhere. Because IMO, Riley needs to show proof that Clemson can run good offense again. So just really about Cade maybe being the last guy to save elite status for Clemson. Because if he fails, what then?
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We ran the ball 53% of the time.
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Apr 12, 2023, 2:22 PM
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Are you suggesting we should have run more on the season or we didn't call correct runs, or what? We weren't good enough at running the ball to do so by just running it down people's throats.
Granted, there is no debated about the uSC game.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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Apr 12, 2023, 6:01 AM
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CV hasn’t even taken one snap and you are already assuming he won’t be better than Tajh?
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JCantrell86, my thoughts exactly!***
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Apr 12, 2023, 6:23 AM
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is CV a 5 star or a 4 star***
Apr 12, 2023, 6:34 AM
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Re: is CV a 5 star or a 4 star***
Apr 12, 2023, 9:29 AM
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He was a 4 Star. He was a top 100 recruit in 2 of the 3 services, but was not a 5 Star in any of them.
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How many consensus 5 stars are there?
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Apr 12, 2023, 2:24 PM
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A couple? Maybe a few?
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Re: How many consensus 5 stars are there?
Apr 12, 2023, 2:50 PM
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Most 5 stars tend to be consensus. But Vizzina wasn't a 5 star in any of them. I was saying he wasn't consensus top 100.
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Yeah so again, how many 5-stars QBs are there?
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Apr 12, 2023, 4:55 PM
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Are you saying we can't win a national championship without a 5-star QB?
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I remember Tajh being pretty good.
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I realize that DW and TL raised the bar another notch, but dang, if CK is "only" as good as Tajh, our offense should be prolific.
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Re: I remember Tajh being pretty good.
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Apr 12, 2023, 6:58 AM
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He was a great fit for the CM offense but we all need to remember the receivers Tajh worked with. Guys were wide open a lot. I’d still be pleased with another Tajh though. My point was how can anyone predict CV potential when he hasn’t even taken a snap. He could be elite, average, or garbage.
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They weren’t wide open on 4th and 16! :)***
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Yup. Except for Thug Clowney Tahj was a Clemson Legend.***
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Agreed, but based on what we've heard so far, including from
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Apr 12, 2023, 7:10 AM
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Dabo, it sounds like he's the real deal. I agree though, he hasn't taken a single snap, so who knows ... but, per Dabo one day ago:
“He’s just a smooth, very instinctive, very natural player,” Clemson coach Dabo Swinney said. “It’s really important that he can run, he’s got very good technique, he’s got excellent ball skills, he’s incredibly competitive. All those things will serve him well.
“He’s not been overwhelmed. He’s picked things up, he’s shown up and competed every single day. It’s just easy to see the talent. The kid can run, I mean really run. And he’s got a big arm, can absolutely rip it. So we’ve got a really good situation there.”
“CV’s special, it’s easy to see,” Swinney said. “And he’s only 17 years old. He’s got a bright, bright future.
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/clemson/2023/04/11/christopher-vizzina-clemson-football-quarterback-cade-klubnik/70070858007/
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Re: Agreed, but based on what we've heard so far, including from
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I don’t think Dabo is sugar coating anything, but he says this about almost all his QBs.
But this is truly great news to hear, it sounds like he really is playing and adjusting well.
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Fat Boy (Tajh) always seems to get dissed, mostly because
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his teams just couldn't get it done against Clowney and the Coots. Butt, I've said it before and will say it till I die, Tajh Boyd threw as pretty (and accurate) a deep ball as ANY QB we have ever had. And, he was a tough as nails guy, go back and watch that 4th and 16 game and see how many times he got up after being blasted by LSU, many times after gaining some necessary yards on the ground.
I have never seen the need to establish a singular "greatest" Clemson QB, anyway. Let them all be great in the way that they were. No amount of discussion is going to change a single play that was made in any of their games, just celebrate the plays they made while they were here, be happy they chose Clemson, and move on.
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Those coot teams were by far the best coot teams in their
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miserable history. I have to give credit to the old ball coot, those teams were loaded and they were legit. And Tajh had to face them.
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They were "good" not great coot teams.
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Apr 12, 2023, 8:55 AM
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You have to remember, they only won their miserable division once. And their reward for that was getting absolutely smoked in the title game. They never didnt anything of note on the national stage. You can say Clemson was still in building mode during those years and you wouldnt be wrong. But there were years in there Clemson should have won but didnt.
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Spurrier's Coots finished the season ranked 8th, 7th, and
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4th in the nation in the Coaches Poll the three years that Tajh played against them. That's pretty doggone great, to my way of thinking. The fact that we hate them can't take away from the fact that those Coot teams were loaded with talent.
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Re: They were "good" not great coot teams.
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They were top 10 teams. They just played in a brutal conference. Those years the SEC was ridiculously good.
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No it wasnt. The SEC East was a complete dumpster fire
Apr 12, 2023, 10:04 AM
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And they only won it ONCE. Heck, freaking Mizzu won the East back to back years in 2013 and 2014.
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Stop it already.
Apr 12, 2023, 10:07 AM
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They were top 10 teams full of NFL talent. Just stop. The best teams by far the coots ever had.
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Come again....
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Apr 12, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Main competition in the East:
2010: Florida 8-5, UGA 6-7, Tennessee 6-7. Only played 2 ranked SEC opponents.
2011: Georgia 10-4, Florida 7-6, Tennessee 5-7
2012: East was actually pretty good
2013: Georgia 8-5, Florida 4-8, Tennessee 5-7. East was so bad Mizzou won it and Vandy finished ranked. Only played 2 ranked SEC opponents(Vandy and Mizzou). Also played Kentucky 2-10, Arkansas 3-9, Tennessee 5-7, Florida 4-8
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In 2010, Kyle Parker was the starter and Tajh did not play
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Apr 12, 2023, 12:32 PM
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until 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, when we were behind 26-7.
In 2011, coots finished ranked #9, and beat teams that finished #19, 22, and 24 along the way. Their only losses were to #5 ARK and unranked Auburn. So they had one bad loss, and beat 3 ranked teams. Certainly can't go back and say they didn't deserve the ranking, or that they weren't all that good. They were a top 10 team.
In 2012, coots beat #5, 11, 23, and 24, and lost to #9 and 12. So, 4 good wins wins, two of which were pretty impressive, and one bad loss (44-11) to the #9 team. Again, a legitimate top 10 team, finishing at #8.
In 2013, coots beat #5, 8, 10, 22, and 24, and lost to a bad Tennessee team, and to a so-so UGA team that finished unranked after being ranked most of the season, as high as #6 at one point. So, 3 great wins, 2 more against ranked teams, and two disappointing losses. After a strong finish, the wound up ranked #4.
Bottom line: Nobody is claiming they were the 1985 Chicago Bears or the 72 Dolphins. But, they were very good teams that probably deserved their top 10 rankings. Furthermore, it's absurd to suggest that Tajh Boyd was not all that good because "He" never beat the coots; it's downright laughable, and that's what this whole thread is about.
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Re: In 2010, Kyle Parker was the starter and Tajh did not play
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I know the point you’re trying to make, but how did we get to the point of making an argument FOR South Carolina. Remember, we’re CLEMSON fans.
We were welll good enough to win those games with Tajh anyways LOL. The offense was just a loosely structured fire powered offense that made a lot of play calling errors and on field errors. For example, the INT Sammy Watkins threw in Williams Brice in 2012. That should’ve been a TD.
In 2013, we got blasted by FSU, but that was in my opinion the best offense I’ve ever seen besides 2019 LSU. But we were definitely a top 10 team and were good enough to win.
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I'm making an argument for the objective truth, which is
Apr 12, 2023, 4:47 PM
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that Tajh Boyd was a #### good QB at Clemson, and it's idiotic to suggest that he wasn't because we didn't beat the coots while he was here. Don't try to twist that into and argument for the coots.
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Re: I'm making an argument for the objective truth, which is
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Look for the place where I said Tajh wasn’t a good QB at Clemson. He’s one of our greatest ever. One of the best ACC QBs ever.
Regardless of how good he was, he collapsed in the biggest games. Don’t know if he had a pressure issue because he still played well in a couple big game losses. He just wasn’t at the level of Watson or Lawrence, which is fine because no one is. But I think Cade has the potential to be like DW and be that great.
It’s just speculation anyways, who the hell knows what will happen.
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Re: I'm making an argument for the objective truth, which is
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Look for the place where I said that you said that.
My reply to you was simply to clarify that I was NOT making a case for the coots, but rather was making a case for Tajh, as some others have implied that he was not that good since the teams he was on never beat the coots.
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Re: In 2010, Kyle Parker was the starter and Tajh did not play
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I was specifically referring to the part where tigerpride said the SEC was brutal back then. Scar did in fact have some really good teams and NFL talent. I disagree with the SEC being "brutal" though. I stand by my post and I only used final rankings for SEC teams they actually played.
I gave them credit for 2012 but even then you could say:
4 of 6 conference wins came against opponents with a combined 16-32 record. Other 2 conference wins came against 9-4 Vandy and the big win over Georgia.
Their 2 conference losses was a respectable 2 point loss on the road at LSU and a complete dismantling at Florida 44-11.
Again not saying Scar wasn't good but this brutal SEC crap is over blown.
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Re: In 2010, Kyle Parker was the starter and Tajh did not play
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Yeah I agree. The SEC is truly overrated in their “history”. Yes I credit Alabama and others that have won championships, but it’s truly only been the west division. Georgia only won 2 the last 2 years, but they hadn’t won since we did in the early 80s. The East had been no better than your average P5 division until very recently. Maybe I sound crazy to all other college football fans, but it’s just my take.
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I meant TU which I did, not a TD***
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Re: Fat Boy (Tajh) always seems to get dissed, mostly because
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Tajh Boyd was the greatest passer in ACC history, I don’t care about Sam Hartman doin whatever he did with that record. I don’t know what happened to Tajh and the NFL, but I guess it wasn’t meant to be.
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Re: I remember Tajh being pretty good.
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Amen to that. Boyd was without question the player who got the Tiger program turned around. The big game in the Atlanta Dome might be one of the best Tiger games ever. Boyd was unbelievable’
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Can you imagine how good we could have been in '21 and '22 with Tahj?
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I'll take a Tahj Boyd with Garrett Riley.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 7:27 AM
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Or that he will be. Hasn’t played so could be better or worse
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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Tajh was an incredible QB. He's Clemson's career passing leader. He had three seasons where he threw for more yards than Trevor did in his best season (and no one thinks Trevor was anything but incredible). He has 7 of the top 10 passing performances in Clemson history. And he had a great record as a starter (32-8) and gave us our first ACC championship and BCS win in decades. Who the hell are you to crap on him and say some freshman will be better than him?
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He has no clue whatsoever.
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Just hot air.
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Tell 'em coot. No one knows losing better than you.
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Re: Tell 'em coot. No one knows losing better than you.
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There it is!!!!
C80T in mid-season form!!!
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I recall Tajh being pretty dang tough and a good QB.***
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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Don't flame me, but I look for this year to be a rebuilding year. You don't master the air raid in one off season. Hope I am wrong.
I see huge future success, but not convinced this year is our year.
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No way, NONE, the offense is WORSE than past 2 years
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The rebuilding part took place by getting rid of DJ and Streeter.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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I hope you're wrong too (and think you are). The air raid is a pretty simple offense to install if you have the pieces. And I think this is sort of our last major hurrah. I just think NIL is going to keep beating us down worse and worse since we have neither the money nor the "win at all costs - screw morals" mentality schools like Georgia and Ohio State do.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 8:45 AM
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Always funny to me how wide open Humphries was on this play in the slot, but everyone, including LSU knew where the ball was going and they still couldn't stop it.
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Do you have secret game tape or something?
Apr 12, 2023, 8:57 AM
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Or are these just meth-induced visions?
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Pre spring game “overreaction”?!?***
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 9:41 AM
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If either of the QBs on the roster puts up the same stats as Tajh Boyd we will all be thrilled.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 10:56 AM
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Why would you say that about Vizzina?
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 1:23 PM
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I believe we will see a rejuvenated team across the board this upcoming season. All the excitement around GR and a new offensive scheme in general I believe will leave the door open for lots of guys to become stars and to be utilized to their highest and best potential. I think Cade will gets lots of help
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Tajh was a GREAT qb
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He didn't have the arm for the NFL as he couldn't hit the out pass but he was a GREAT college qb
He won a lot of games and he was a GREAT player
GO TIGERS
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 3:39 PM
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How do you have an opinion about Vizzina? He's never taken a single snap at Clemson...
All games are a team effort, one person does not win or lose games. We need to have balance and I think Riley's offense will provide that and from the sounds of it people may actually know what to do. Richardson is a pig in slop, he knows the offense inside and out and knows how to coach it. Actually use the entire field! What a concept.
On D, Wes is in his second year and hopefully the secondary will plug the leaks. From the sounds of it Woods is going to be an impact player right out of the chute... solid group coming back.
Special teams, new kicker...
So no it's not all on Cade...
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Apr 12, 2023, 5:06 PM
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I don’t have an opinion of Vizzina. I just said I don’t expect his potential is better than being a Tajh Boyd. Who didn’t win the 2 most important games each year he played. Again, I know Tajh was great, but he couldn’t get those done.
What you said about team effort is right, but it’s obvious that not having the QB we need heavily affects everything. Did you expect the Patriots and Bellicheck to continue their dominance after Brady left? Well guess what, they didn’t. The QB has most effect. It’s the truth.
I never mentioned the Defense anyways, I haven’t been worried about our defense since 2013.
And with all the missed QB recruits, again it shows we have to show good offense obviously. If Cade can’t do that, I’d just be worried about Vizzina have to take us to a playoff to keep our status. Which is what all we care about.
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