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TigerNet Immortal [173080]
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Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 2:46 PM
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I'm curious to what some of you all think?
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It's a combination of the two.***
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Rival Killer [2673]
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Either alone wouldn't hurt much, but combined make for a mercenary scenario***
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Aug 21, 2024, 9:24 AM
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CU Medallion [20867]
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Portal, no question in my mind.***
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Re: Portal, no question in my mind.***
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Aug 20, 2024, 6:32 PM
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agree, that and graduation standards would throttle back the PFP 'job shopping'.
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Varsity [104]
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There are no graduation standards for anyone.
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Aug 20, 2024, 8:55 PM
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Athletes typically graduate at far higher rates than do non athletes.
Non athletes drop out or transfer far more often.
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Solid Orange [1342]
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Re: There are no graduation standards for anyone.
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Aug 21, 2024, 7:22 AM
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That's because most of them major in underwater basket weaving...athletic leadership, athletic communication...try EE, ME, zoology, chemistry! Every college has a separate curriculum for athletes...had a fellow in the cans who worked his way through college in Ceramic Engineering, another in Architecture...think HR got a MBA in accounting...course he stayed 6 years...still quite an accomplishment!
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Varsity [104]
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Bovine scat******
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CU Medallion [20860]
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Sit out a year when you split or play immediately at a FCS or below.
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College graduates have a one-time pass for playing immediately.
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Varsity [104]
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Illegal restraint of trade.
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:00 PM
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Why do you advocate for violating federal law?
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 2:50 PM
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It hurts when do you don't use them adequately.
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This x 1,000!!!******
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110%er [4065]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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NIL hands down. Portal to a lesser degree. If not for NIL I doubt you would see as many moves as we do to the portal.
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CU Medallion [20867]
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Without the portal, there would be no NIL/free agency moves...
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Aug 20, 2024, 2:53 PM
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...from team to team.
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All-TigerNet [5991]
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Portal***
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Dynasty Maker [3463]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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NIL has made me not care for it as much as I use too . I predict it will get worse and I will quit with it all together. NIL is causing a lot of transfers
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Neither.***
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Athletic Dir [1160]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Greed the networks have killed college football with destroying rivalries. Networks spending a ton of money to get College football packages, Networks then selling 4:30 min worth of adds to reclaim there money, and also jacking up there subscription prices for ESPN+ Fox and Peacock. Then the conferences making a ton of money and giving the schools tons of money. The coaches making way too much money. In the early 2000s a the best head coaches made 2 to 2.5 million a year now they make 10-14 million a year way too much money spending on one person. Then you have the exploding budgets of all the schools in the last 15 years. The college athletes see this and say hey I want a piece of the pie and now we have NIL and portal to deal with.
To make it real short what has killed college football GREED. The ones that are getting hurt the most are the fans/customers because we are fitting the bill for all this BS
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Varsity [104]
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Bogus. Nothing has killed college football.
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Aug 20, 2024, 7:54 PM
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See the Hill Watch posts for the evidence.
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Athletic Dir [1160]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:10 PM
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the student athletes deserve a to be paid but by contract negotiations only. The contract would be for 2 years and renegotiated for next two years of students term. If student athlete decides to transfer he/she can not receive any money for a year another words they could not transfer because of money demands. Any school caught trying to pursued a student away from another school without player entering transfer portal would be put on 1 year full probation/ no football for a year for said team.
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Varsity [104]
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That's illegal. Federal law violation.
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Aug 20, 2024, 6:41 PM
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Why is that so difficult to understand?
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:17 PM
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Money is the root of all evil. The NIL and portal are all about the Benjamins.
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Varsity [104]
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If that is the case, apparently Kirby and Dabo...
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Aug 20, 2024, 6:42 PM
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are demons. The two highest paid people in college football.
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Re: If that is the case, apparently Kirby and Dabo...
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Aug 20, 2024, 8:06 PM
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Dabo has been at Clemson forever, and has displayed his value and loyalty since he's been here. What's so hard for you to understand? Performance and loyalty equal $$$.
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Varsity [104]
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But according to the post above, money is the root of all evil.
Aug 20, 2024, 8:57 PM
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You can't have it both ways.
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:30 PM
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The NIL and portal will be great things long term.
The bigger issue is the NCAA and their poor governance.
Their overall ineptitude to handle these situations is an embarrassment and really screws the universities and ultimately the student athletes.
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Athletic Dir [1160]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:59 PM
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they should arrest Mark Emmert for fraud he was receiving a fat check to protect the NCAA and all he did was drag his feet and let all this happen on his watch. What a waste of human garbage he is
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Commissioner [1211]
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NIL has amplified the problems with the Portal making it worse IMHO
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:32 PM
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NIL
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TigerNet Elite [76469]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:55 PM
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PORTAL
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 3:58 PM
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NIL drives the portal. No NIL, no motivation to jump in portal unless you are not good enough to start.
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 4:06 PM
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The portal was always there but they had to sit a year unless they had inside "connections".
There are reasons every kid should jump ship, but it came with consequences "in the day".
Now the portal with NIL added is a bidding war. This helps some hurts others.
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 4:08 PM
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I say a non restricted transfer portal is worse. Transferring at a whim to the highest bidder makes NIL look worse than it is. If the NFL can limit free agency, College Football should be able to limit transfers. At some point, they will figure how to legally do it.
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Varsity [104]
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Ludicrous false equivalence.
Aug 20, 2024, 6:46 PM
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The NFL players are employees.
College athletes are not.
The NFL athletes have a union contract
College players do not.
The NFL has a partial antitrust exemption.
College dies not.
What you advocate is blatantly illegal.
It's appalling exploitation.
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CU Medallion [18157]
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Re: Ludicrous false equivalence.
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Aug 20, 2024, 7:33 PM
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They'll figure it out. It's coming to a school near you.
On July 11, 2024, the Third Circuit in Johnson v. NCAA held that student athletes are not barred from being considered employees under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).
Then then comes the union, then then the bargaining, the contract and then the Transfer Portal (free agency) will be curtailed.
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Not without an antitrust exe option, it won't.
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Aug 20, 2024, 7:56 PM
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Without it, the Sherman Antitrust Act rules govern, employees or not.
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CU Medallion [18157]
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Re: Not being barred isn't the same thing as
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Both. NIL was never intended to be PFP (Pay-For-Play). But that's exactly what it has been. With no caps. Portal was never intended, at least I would hope not, to be Unrestricted Free Agency. But that's exactly what it has been. Combine the two and you don't just have Pro Football. You have Mercenary Football.
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It dorsn't matter what anyone thinks the intent was.
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:02 PM
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What matters is that in its current form, it's legal, it enjoys the protections of state and federal laws, and any interference with 3rd party NIL violates federal law and at least one federal court injunction.
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Neither! Both a great!
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The courts have overturned decades of illegal NCAA rules and restraint of trade.
That's a GREAT thing!
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Aug 20, 2024, 7:21 PM
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Neither. College sports are more popular than they've ever been, across the board.
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Top TigerNet [29955]
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They are symptoms of the disease.
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Aug 20, 2024, 7:37 PM
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As of today, I would lean slightly toward NIL.
But, in reality both are just inevitable outcomes of the NCAA running toward the goal of being the minor league for the NFL and NBA. Portal and NIL are just two steps along the path.
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Varsity [104]
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College football has been the NFL minor league for decades.
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Aug 20, 2024, 7:57 PM
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Where have you been?
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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I would be just as curious to know the breakdown of the age groups for portal haters vs. portal lovers.
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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I would expect the younger crowd is much more tolerant of both than the older crowd (such as myself). We had it one way forever, and now it's changed. I for one am not a big proponent of change with no regulation.
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CU Medallion [18157]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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I'm an older guy, younger than some here but probably older than most and I think the Transfer Portal is good for graduates with eligibility and when a HC that recruits a player leaves for any reason. I don't have anything against players getting paid NIL but I do have a problem with unlimited transfers.
There appears to be some changes coming after the 2024 - 2025 academic year unless of course a court overturns the NCAA changes. The player will have to meet certain academic requirements to transfer and a second transfer "can" result in sitting out for 1 year. Of course there will be waivers and we know those have been handed out like free samples at Sam's Club.
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Varsity [104]
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The only NCAA transfer restriction that's legal is...
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:05 PM
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meeting a minimum GPA that is the same for eligibility anywhere.
Anything else is an illegal restraint of trade.
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Absolutely a combination of both. Neither would be nearly as bad if not for the other working in tandem. That's just my opinion.
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Commissioner [1268]
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NIL has fueled the Portal, so NIL***
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National Champion [7153]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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I think either on it's own hurts college football, but what makes it worse is the synergy created by the two combined.
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Asst Coach [850]
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The TP helps build depth look at Michigan, Alabama, Georgia I could go on
NIL is a dumpster fire that will not go out
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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Clemson Icon [27767]
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I've made no secret here on TNet of my detest of both,
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holding the NCAA, as well as its member schools, responsible.
I believe it was sheer ineptitude on the part of the NCAA, and a lack of cohesive demands from its member institutions that resulted in both.
Frankly, I hold the U.S. Supreme Court, also, guilty of meddling by accepting the case resulting in the present NIL monkey business. Immediately when it made its ruling, the U.S. Congress should have entered the fray, working with schools across the nation to develop an equitable program. It, also, should have mandated an equitable system of revenue distribution, which could have rendered lawsuits like FSU's and Clemson's unnecessary. Working with the NCAA and schools, the entire structure could have been reorganized into a Tier One, set up on a north, south, east, west basis of the P5 programs with equitable revenue sharing. The divisions could have been a large enough number, say 20, to allow for inclusion of programs on the cusp of P5 rankings. Then, you'd have Tier Two and Three levels, each with their own CFP and forms of revenue sharing.
Lastly, the 180 degree view would be to adopt the Ivy League view about bowls and titles, and the NIL and transfer horsemanure would evaporate overnight. Result? Schools would revert to playing local opponents about ten games each year, then the season would be over.
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Varsity [104]
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Restraint of trade has been illegal since the 1887 Interstate Commerce Act
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and the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act.
Are you going to hate in the dead guys from those editions of Congress.
Why are you hating on the courts for doing their jobs and fighting disgusting, decades old wrongs?
Worse, why do you insist on exploiting college athletes for your personal entertainment.
Did you hang out at the Roman Coliseum and root for the lions in a previous life?
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Just like clockwork***
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Varsity [104]
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Why do you love exploiting college athletes?***
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The entire old NCAA sports model was illegal and you know it.
Sending it to the oblivion it deserves is a very good thing.
The portal is a good thing. NIL is a good thing.
If you have ever worked for money or changed jobs, complaining about NIL and the portal is nauseatingly hypocritical. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
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The lack of oversight regarding both is the biggest problem.
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I don't think players being able to transfer without sitting out, or earning income from their name, image, and likeness are unreasonable. There is so much money in college football, and universities and coaches are profiting a lot. The players deserve to capitalize as well.
My biggest issue is the lack of oversight. The portal seems to have been rolled out without enough guidelines in place. That's even more true for NIL.
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Varsity [104]
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Given the NCAA having every attempt at control blasted by the courts
Aug 21, 2024, 10:07 AM
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How, exactly, is the NCAA going to get oversight that will withstand a court challenge?
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The Clemson baseball and basketball teams say "false dilemma"
Aug 21, 2024, 11:33 AM
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They have both gotten better due to the new era of college sports.
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Commissioner [1228]
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Re: Which has hurt college sports more, the NIL or the portal?
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NIL easily. The amount of money some these kids are getting without playing a down at a university is insane. The portal would have far less impact without NIL. The game as we all grew up watching will never be the same again.
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National Champion [8071]
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The Portal by a landslide
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NIL isn't as bad as people think until they start with scholarship limits.
The portal though; encourages "tampering"!
**I don't think a kid who has a coach leave should have to stay with a new staff they may not like his skill set. Otherwise, a kid should have to sit out a year!
It would mean, choosing your school wisely in the 1st place.
Could also mean, that much more NIL money while saving your eligbibility. Put, maybe deter some of the tampering since no instant gratification is there to be had. Well at least for a year.
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Orange Elite [5173]
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Greed.
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Which is what's back of those things.
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