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Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 17, 2021, 8:00 AM
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Someone help me understand their logic, like the quote below:
“Let’s call an ace an ace. This is an effort by the Left to create a day out of whole cloth to celebrate identity politics as part of its larger efforts to make Critical Race Theory the reigning ideology of our country. Since I believe in treating everyone equally, regardless of race, and that we should be focused on what unites us rather than our differences, I will vote no,” Rosendale said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/06/16/who-14-republicans-who-voted-against-juneteenth-holiday/7722634002/
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I honestly had to look it up
Jun 17, 2021, 8:02 AM
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what is the bad part of creating a new holiday besides that dribble quoted below?
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You know, I recall people...
Jun 17, 2021, 8:08 AM
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Even bitching about the MLK holiday when it was created. Good lawd, the weeping and gnashing of teeth of the old fuddies in TigerActive Chat over that was absurd. And it's the reason we also do Confederate Memorial Day in SC as an option as a response to MLK Day becoming a federal holiday.
Imagine being so racist that getting a paid day off from work for a holiday upsets you.
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wait, they are voting for a paid holiday?
Jun 17, 2021, 8:11 AM
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Nobody gets a paid day off except for Government workers
Jun 17, 2021, 1:39 PM
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that are paid by tax dollars. If a business loses a day of work from an employee, that free paid day off is paid for by somebody. I am only going to pay someone that makes a profit for me. The more I make off of you the more I can pay you. I am not going to take a risk by hiring you unless I get a reward that is worth the risk.
If I have to pay them to sit on their butt at home then I get no income for that day. Ultimately, that comes out of their pocket. Maybe a smaller bonus or a smaller raise, but I'm not paying for it.
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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well
Jun 17, 2021, 4:19 PM
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guess I won't be working for you anytime soon
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If you have a boss that is going to take
Jun 17, 2021, 5:35 PM
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money out of his pocket to pay you the same to produce less income for him, then you have a great job/boss and are lucky.
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 17, 2021, 8:06 AM
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I have no issue with this being a holiday. But just curious, when did you first hear about Juneteenth.
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Not very long ago
Jun 17, 2021, 8:08 AM
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Maybe two or three years ago? Or maybe I heard about it earlier but didn't pay attention.
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Re: Not very long ago
Jun 17, 2021, 8:25 AM
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Maybe Juneteenth and Thomas Jefferson's birthday should be two new holidays. I can't believe Jefferson doesn't have his own day.
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I'm down with that, too.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:26 AM
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Or do they count that as part of President's Day?
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Re: I'm down with that, too.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:38 AM
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I think Jefferson should have his own day. I always take that off. What his ideology did for the freedom of man at that time in the US and Europe should be celebrated. He was much more than a President. As far as Juneteenth goes, if I understand it correctly, it should be recognized. It basically represents a day in which all Americans became free.
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There's another day in December
Jun 17, 2021, 9:45 PM
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when the slaves in Delaware and Kentucky were freed six months later. And another day in June of 1866 when the Choctaw freed their slaves (thanks Wikipedia). But that's for African-Americans. There's another day twenty or so years later when the last Native American slaves were freed.
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Or maybe I heard about it earlier but didn't pay attention.
Jun 17, 2021, 1:33 PM
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your own racist tendencies are showing. You are not woke enough my friend. Ignoring an African American holiday because you didnt want to pay attention unfortunately makes you inherently racist.
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Sure.
Jun 17, 2021, 2:02 PM
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I didn't really know what Boxing Day was for a while so I guess I also hate Canadians.
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Re: Sure.
Jun 17, 2021, 3:11 PM
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Canadian hate is still acceptable.
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Ya it’s not a PC thing to say, but most people didn’t
Jun 17, 2021, 1:19 PM
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even know what it was until a year ago. And not just white people. I’m not against it being a holiday, but I also don’t agree with people who think it’s a travesty that it isn’t (until now) a federal holiday, or a state holiday. We can make it a holiday, that’s fine, but don’t act so upset about it not being a holiday when you didn’t even know what it was a year ago.
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Not sure why that wouldn't be "PC"
Jun 17, 2021, 1:22 PM
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It seems rather obvious. It gained prominence when President Trump scheduled some event on that day...don't remember what it was. I think most of us would say that we had never really heard about it until then, and I don't see what's "non-PC" about that.
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Trump said he made Juneteenth famous, and many
Jun 17, 2021, 2:27 PM
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media publications then said he was just ignorant and people have been celebrating it for a long time. Which, sure, some people have. Most havent. But it was painted in the media that his statement was ignorant and lots of people know about it. When in reality, most people didn’t know about it and it did become famous last year. Taking “credit” for it was dumb, but he wasn’t wrong when he said most people had never heard of it.
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 17, 2021, 8:10 AM
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Wow, this is an incredibly important issue.
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Exactly!
Jun 17, 2021, 8:16 AM
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So they should definitely make an absurd stand against it and look foolish rather than just passing it through.
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"Juneteenth" isn't really about race, technically.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:15 AM
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I think this reasoning quoted doesn't make any sense.
I don't think we need more federal holidays. Saying that would be a logical reason to vote "No," but I don't understand this Congressman's reason.
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I think we need MORE federal holidays.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:16 AM
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More days where Americans can take a day off work. We work too much.
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Most people work on Federal holidays....***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:37 AM
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Depends on the holiday.***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:45 AM
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Juneteenth is a celebration of the end of institutionalized
Jun 17, 2021, 8:30 AM
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slavery in the United States.
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So...its about race then?***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:34 AM
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Did you see me mention race in my post?***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:41 AM
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It's about ending slavery.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Seems worth honoring. It was a proud day for our nation, right?
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Sure, but is a federal holiday needed?***
Jun 17, 2021, 9:11 AM
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What does it hurt?
Jun 17, 2021, 9:46 AM
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If you don't want to add another one, ditch Columbus Day and replace it with this.
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Re: I am for more paid holidays b/c the more they dont work,
Jun 17, 2021, 8:38 AM
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you mean like cops and teachers?
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Fire men, EMS, military...
Jun 17, 2021, 8:49 AM
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All that damage they do.
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All of those are a small % of total Fed workers....
Jun 17, 2021, 9:13 AM
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Ya'll know what I'm talking about
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Sure, the fed is bloated.
Jun 17, 2021, 9:15 AM
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But there are plenty of solid and good government workers.
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Re: "Juneteenth" isn't really about race, technically.
Jun 17, 2021, 2:40 PM
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I don't think we need more federal holidays.
Did we get to just the right number of federal holidays right before this one came along? Lucky Christopher Columbus and MLK managed to sneak their days in before we reached Prod-approved capacity. 
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The statement was not intended to be a positive
Jun 17, 2021, 2:55 PM
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endorsement of the current number of holidays (whatever it is), as it is a lack of positive desire for another. It was intended as a more passive statement. Maybe we don't need any of them...I dunno.
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Re: The statement was not intended to be a positive
Jun 17, 2021, 4:23 PM
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Maybe the starting point is figuring out the rationale behind federal holidays, and work from there.
Since I don't know what the rationale is, I don't even have an opinion on this issue yet. Well, other than thinking that "Juneteenth" doesn't make a ton of sense as a name for the holiday.
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Pubs know the golf courses around the country
Jun 17, 2021, 8:28 AM
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Are already packed mid June
This will place an unnecessary burden on ice and beer aupply lines
Celebrate the a birdie and Bud Light
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 17, 2021, 8:33 AM
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Maybe they are just representing the views of their constituents…I know, shocker!
Not saying it’s right or wrong, but that IS their job.
The best part about federal holidays is that it costs nothing, right?
I still think a better holiday would be emancipation day. I mean Juneteenth (which just sounds dumb) was a result of the E.P.
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Last part is dead on.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:41 AM
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I'm fine with the holiday, but man oh man what a dumb name for something that's supposed to have gravity and significance. Whoever is behind this would have named Memorial Day the "May Soldier-tacular"
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I think it was organic, not some "decision" made by somebody
Jun 17, 2021, 8:45 AM
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to call it that.
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Organic by whom?
Jun 17, 2021, 8:51 AM
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I don't recall there being focus groups or polling, and I've never heard anyone of any race use "Juneteenth" to the point it became the defacto name.
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I think...
Jun 17, 2021, 8:52 AM
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And this is just me assuming without a Google search, that this is the colloquial name given to it by black Americans over time.
I think Congress was looking to name it something else.
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Organic in that it's traditional...
Jun 17, 2021, 8:53 AM
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I don't know this, but it's possible it originated with freed slaves and difficulty with the English language. That would make sense.
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It was originally called Jubilee Day.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:55 AM
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I like that a lot better.
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Re: Last part is dead on.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:48 AM
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I would like emancipation day too, but it will never happen Obed. That would be like calling Columbus day, conquering the Maya day.
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Re: Last part is dead on.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:53 AM
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I like how banks still close for "Get Lost Looking for Another Country and then Force the Natives into Slavery and Murder Them and Cut Their Hands Off and Make Em Wear Em Around Their Necks Because I Discovered the New World but I Actually Didn't" Day.
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Re: Last part is dead on.
Jun 17, 2021, 8:53 AM
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It would be like like calling Independence Day Julyith.
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Personally, my favorite holiday is
Jun 17, 2021, 8:56 AM
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Novemberish where we eat a lot and drink a lot and watch football.
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That's an entire season for me, stretching from Nov 1-Jan 1***
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I do and...
Jun 18, 2021, 12:06 PM
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I say a little prayer for all the sorry ### countries that don't get to celebrate Thanksgiving with all that food, bourbon, and football.
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 17, 2021, 8:47 AM
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Maybe they are just representing the views of their constituents…I know, shocker!
Yeah, where some of these folks are from, I have no doubt they're representing their constituents.
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What do y'all have against a good portmanteau?
Jun 17, 2021, 8:52 AM
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I think it's portmantotally awesome.
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It's not a portmanteau is it?
Jun 17, 2021, 8:54 AM
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That's when parts of two words are combined. breakfast + lunch = brunch.
Juneteenth uses the entirety of June, unaltered, so I'm afraid it's disqualified.
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Don't think using an entire word disqualifies it from
Jun 17, 2021, 8:55 AM
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being a portmanteau. But you know what, I've never really considered that specific topic before, for some reason.
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(btw, I don't really care about the previous reply)
Jun 17, 2021, 8:56 AM
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I just know that if anyone would care enough to enter into a discussion on the finer points of grammatical minutiae, I'm currently talking to him.
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You get me, Obed.***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:57 AM
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Don't sweat it, it takes one to know one.***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:57 AM
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It doesn't cost "nothing"....
Jun 17, 2021, 10:20 AM
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first, federal employees get a paid day off.
Many companies will also offer this as a day off and/or be pressured to offer this as a day off. That is a huge cost. That means there would be 4 months in a row with a holiday day (April, May, June, July). I can't speak for other industries, but for a manufacturing company, that is a lot of direct labor pay with no production.
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who the f cares how these 14 voted?***
Jun 17, 2021, 8:46 AM
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what are your plans for Columbus Day this year
Jun 17, 2021, 8:51 AM
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we need our Federal Employees to have more days off paid by the tax payers
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I celebrate Columbus Day every year by...
Jun 17, 2021, 8:55 AM
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Driving around aimlessly until I arrive at a random house, I claim I had meant to go here all along, then I enslave the family and eventually kill them, and then pretend I was the person who first discovered the house.
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Re: I celebrate Columbus Day every year by...
Jun 17, 2021, 9:23 AM
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If you really hate Columbus day, you could move to Europe and act like Columbus never existed.
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I think Juneteenth is cool, but...
Jun 17, 2021, 8:55 AM
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Growing up in an area that had a very high percentage of Black residents, I never heard of Juneteenth being acknowledged or celebrated. I did not know about it until I lived in Texas in the 1990s.
I don't think it matters very much. I am OK with it being a national holiday due to its significance. But I think national awareness of it is a fairly recent thing.
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Based on where I grew up, I cannot wait for Septawesome,
Jun 17, 2021, 9:00 AM
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when we celebrate the invention of hydraulic dancing beds on Chevy S10 minitrucks.
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I'm not advocating for or against this holiday being
Jun 17, 2021, 10:44 AM
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a federal holiday, but...
1) "What does it hurt?" is not the criteria by which I think we should vote for national holidays.
2) I know nothing about these 14 reps, but I HIGHLY doubt they will pay a price for their vote...my guess is that they are firmly in a conservative district.
3) My concern with this holiday would be A) we are in a very reactionary climate right now, where things are crammed through based on what appeases the Twittermob today. We should be cautious about that, and B) I don't know if it is ideal to add more ways to highlight division in society. And I know...I know..."Shouldn't we all be happy about the end of slavery?" Yes, duh. It's how the holiday will practically manifest itself, as in "Hey black Americans, don't forget that this country enslaved people like you in recent past...have we really come that far?" and "Hey white Americans, don't forget about all the horrible things people who looked like you did in the past...do you really deserve that new Ford Focus?" Maybe I'm wrong and the holiday will be used to bring people together to recognize our progress as a unified country. Heh...
Just some thoughts for the discussion.
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Well stated. OTOH, people opposed the MLK holiday too.
Jun 17, 2021, 12:57 PM
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Our history around race is a thing that needs to be dealt with in our country. Not just for Blacks but also for Indians. I mean, at the end of the day, our country was established via genocide of native peoples and the enslavement of Africans.
We would be a more perfect union if we addressed these and not just symbolically.
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I'm not following how you can say that those issues....
Jun 17, 2021, 3:04 PM
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haven't been addressed.
AND
I'm don't understand how creating a Juneteenth holiday will really change anything about the way slavery is addressed.
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My bruhs on The Rez might disagree.***
Jun 18, 2021, 9:26 AM
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the smallpox that we honkies gave them.***
Jun 18, 2021, 9:26 AM
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Maybe I'm not hanging with the right people
Jun 17, 2021, 1:11 PM
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or something. But I don't know where this perception of being made to feel guilty about slavery comes from. People in this country owned slaves. Whether they looked like me or not, or whether I was related to them or not, is immaterial. I've never felt like anyone was trying to make me feel guilty about it or anything. Are there people out there that are trying that?
The discussion of slavery does not make me feel guilty in any way. Nor does talk about people who look like me doing any bad things, make me feel somehow persecuted for the way I look.
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you clearly do not understand critical race theory***
Jun 17, 2021, 1:22 PM
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That's true: I have no idea what those three words mean
Jun 17, 2021, 1:32 PM
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I've seen the words a lot.
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I don’t really care but there are valid reasons
Jun 17, 2021, 1:44 PM
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To Point #3
Jun 17, 2021, 2:05 PM
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MLK day honors a man, not a segment of the population. Black History Month is a bit of a joke (as in how much it's disregarded) and you can argue that it's 1/12 (8 percent) of the year for 13 percent of the population.
So you think holidays should be dispersed by the proportion of the races in that nation?
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Re: To Point #3
Jun 17, 2021, 2:42 PM
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Black history month has always seemed racist to me, for black people and other races. For other races, because why does one race get a special history month. And for black people because, shouldn't black history be part of history in general.
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Re: To Point #3
Jun 17, 2021, 4:16 PM
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$600BB doesn't sound reasonable....
Jun 17, 2021, 5:10 PM
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There are ~2MM civilian federal employees, so $600BB would be about $300k/worker for 1 day off.
I'm guessing you meant $600MM in cost...that would be an avg of about $300/day which is about $80k/year salary.
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Re: $600BB doesn't sound reasonable....
Jun 17, 2021, 6:06 PM
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 17, 2021, 11:26 PM
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The Division Bell. Keep ringing it Politburo, lest ye have to get real jobs!
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 18, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Wokism says MLK's views are out. Just delete MLK and put in Juneteemf.
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Re: Fourteen House Pubs vote against Juneteenth holiday
Jun 18, 2021, 4:16 PM
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Content of character is not in vogue with the CRT crowd
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