|
Replies: 30
| visibility 1
|
All-TigerNet [10401]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 11531
Joined: 6/29/01
|
Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 6:21 PM
|
|
thinking "how the he-- did we get in this position?", lol.
|
|
|
|
 |
Orange Blooded [2332]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 3530
Joined: 5/7/03
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 6:33 PM
|
|
Coach Caldwell and the staff otherwise must recruit multiple linemen every season. This circumstance is not typical, but it points to the need for OL/DL depth annually.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 6:43 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [216]
TigerPulse: 29%
Posts: 723
Joined: 2/5/14
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 6:45 PM
|
|
Why are we still short handed?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
I don't have the faintest idea about the #### OL, MCB, but
Jun 29, 2015, 6:51 PM
|
|
Clemson has had a crazy amount of attrition over the last few years due mostly to injury.
Speaking of OL, will yours be good enough to win 5 games?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2352]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2772
Joined: 12/6/11
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 6:51 PM
[ in reply to Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.*** ] |
|
We've lost a lot to injury as well as Shaq Anthony and Battle. We lost Oliver Jones to career ending injury plus a couple others. If we hadn't lost Battle and DeStefano we would be a little deeper.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [5912]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8567
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 7:35 PM
[ in reply to Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.*** ] |
|
We signed 4 in 2012, 2 in 2013 and 2 in 2014.
That's substantially less than most.
That's less than 3 per year.
With injuries and out nd out misses - That's not optimal.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [108390]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64974
Joined: 2/25/06
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 7:41 PM
|
|
quick look vs fsu going back to the 2011 cycle.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Walk-On [116]
TigerPulse: 91%
Posts: 183
Joined: 2/5/15
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 8:31 PM
|
|
I agree that we should have probably made more effort in 2014 to sign another OL, but we have truly just had really bad luck too. Because on your list you left off Joe Gore, Jerome Maybank(3 star just never worked out), DJ Reader was actually a OG recruit, and a 2 star in 2012-Josh Brown.
2011- 6 or 7 Battle technically was 2011, Region and Maybank just could cut it
2012- 4 0r 6 Battle made it after Fork Union, DJ Reader moved to DL, Josh Brown couldn't cut it
2013- 2 Morris and Crowder only 2, but we already had 15 or 16 on scholarship before these two
2014- 2 Hearn and Falcinelli, our downfall we should have reruited at lease one more.
2015- 4 and 4 studs all 4 and 5 stars at that so we are getting back on track
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [108390]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64974
Joined: 2/25/06
|
dj reader was never destined for OL and maybank was signed
Jun 29, 2015, 8:53 PM
|
|
as a DL[2 star] and most felt he was a huge hope and prayer, which turned out to be the case.
i put shatley and mcclain there even though both were signed in other spots, but the staff found them a home on the OLine which they should get credit for doing. gore should have been included with those 2 as they found him a home at tackle as well, but he was signed at de.
i put battle in 2012, because he had to go prep and was counted against the 2012 class.
most D1 programs seem to carry 15-17+ OL on scholarship. we've been unlucky, yes, but also short with back to back 2 OL cycles.
it seems they're addressing it, i hope so anyway.
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [623]
TigerPulse: 49%
Posts: 1500
Joined: 12/17/12
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [108390]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64974
Joined: 2/25/06
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 30, 2015, 8:03 AM
|
|
yeah, i didn't really miss him as he was signed as a defensive tackle and played there before moving to O. you're right though, he was about as good as it gets.
i did want to acknowledge mcclain & shatley[and gore] because they probably had an impact on numbers signed. i don't 'magine i'll take the time to do that for each acc team, but maybe...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [108390]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64974
Joined: 2/25/06
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [111415]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 73680
Joined: 9/10/03
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 29, 2015, 11:48 PM
|
|
I will take guys named Gore and Battle over Lovelady and Minshew, all week.
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [623]
TigerPulse: 49%
Posts: 1500
Joined: 12/17/12
|
Re: We've signed just as many OL as most anyone.***
Jun 30, 2015, 7:24 AM
|
|
Not if you watched Gore play and knew anything about football
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [108390]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64974
Joined: 2/25/06
|
yeah, balmer, and i'm just spit ballin' here, was playing
Jun 30, 2015, 8:04 AM
|
|
the name game.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [40872]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42929
Joined: 11/30/98
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [105574]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 44178
Joined: 12/22/08
|
Clemson vs FSU is in the post right above yours
Jun 29, 2015, 9:34 PM
|
|
FTW
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6468]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10117
Joined: 11/2/03
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 9:39 PM
[ in reply to Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be ] |
|
A lot of it points to the fact that our admin needs to get down off its high and mighty academic nonsense and start allowing JUCO transfers. JUCO transfers in essence give you almost 1/3rd more scholoarhips on the line. We do not get to see the benefits from this that Most SEC schools and some ACC schools do.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6662]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9535
Joined: 1/16/99
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 6:40 PM
|
|
12 OL on the roster. 12 bodies to work with, I see a lot of gutting it out this year, and the youth definitely needing to come through. I think Caldwell sees this as a challenge, as does his OL.
Crowder
Falcenelli
Hearn
Morris
Guillermo
Norton
Gore
Hyatt
Fruhmorgen
Green
Giella
McClain
Starting five:
Hyatt
Crowder
Norton
McClain
Gore
Guillermo
Falcenelli
Morris
Hearn
Green
Fruhmorgen
Giella (prob wont redshirt)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recruit [93]
TigerPulse: 97%
Posts: 205
Joined: 3/2/14
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 7:00 PM
|
|
Giella plays center and has a lot of work to do and will Definitely redshirt.. Noah was heading for a redshirt but perhaps because of the Battle situation might travel and perhaps not redshirt? Hyatt and Fruhmorgen will play game one... We need to recruit tackles big time.. Any injuries to one of our tackles is trouble.. Gore is not dependable and actually missed half of spring.. I see Hyatt and Fruhmorgen actually ending up starting together at some point this year.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14451]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 22871
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 9:41 PM
|
|
for the life of me i just cant figure out how we won 42 games the last 4 years. our coaches dont know who or how many to recruit. if only the wimmen on this board were doing our recruiting there would be no problems. this board is PATHETIC AND AN EMBARRASSMENT TO CLEMSON
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [139882]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 33847
Joined: 12/5/10
|
It took you a while to get warmed up, but you finally made
Jun 29, 2015, 9:43 PM
|
|
it to ALL CAPS.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recruit [93]
TigerPulse: 97%
Posts: 205
Joined: 3/2/14
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 7:01 PM
[ in reply to Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be ] |
|
Giella plays center and has a lot of work to do and will Definitely redshirt.. Noah was heading for a redshirt but perhaps because of the Battle situation might travel and perhaps not redshirt? Hyatt and Fruhmorgen will play game one... We need to recruit tackles big time.. Any injuries to one of our tackles is trouble.. Gore is not dependable and actually missed half of spring.. I see Hyatt and Fruhmorgen actually ending up starting together at some point this year.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [53716]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 43532
Joined: 11/17/03
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [38422]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 33199
Joined: 7/28/11
|
Re: Annnnd, 4 0r 5 years ago, the starting 5 might not be in the
Jun 29, 2015, 7:24 PM
|
|
Agree with spud , we have talent like we haven't had in a long while on the OL .
Trust the coaches and relax .
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3706]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2272
Joined: 9/28/08
|
Re: Looking at the depth chart, Robbie Caldwell has got to be
Jun 29, 2015, 6:50 PM
|
|
You do realize that we only have 85 schollies total, don't you! If you divide by 5 (red-shirt year) you have 17 per year. If we divide equally between offense and defense, that makes 8.5 for the offense. Now look at all the positions on offense that we need to fill, QB, RB, line, TE, etc. then you see the problem. When you figure that each team will lose some guys to academics, injury, personal stuff, and legal issues, it is a miracle that we have enough to line up each year. The coaching staff at Clemson does a phenomenal job of having the team ready to play on opening day!
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [40872]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42929
Joined: 11/30/98
|
without attrition 8.5 a yr on offense and 1/2 the offence is
Jun 29, 2015, 9:24 PM
|
|
the OL so it seems to me 4 a year is not out of line at all, but we do take more than 17 a year average and we haven't been taking 4 a year on the OL. We've got 6 RB for one spot, maybe we can teach them to block
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1511]
TigerPulse: 94%
Posts: 2316
Joined: 1/14/05
|
Re: without attrition 8.5 a yr on offense and 1/2 the offence is
Jun 29, 2015, 10:38 PM
|
|
Strikes me that we would do well to average two per year for OL recruiting. Don't forget we were hacked off last year that we had two busted up qb's to work with by the time attrition took its toll.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4550]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4421
Joined: 7/14/03
|
We lost two starters in Battle and Anthony,
Jun 29, 2015, 11:43 PM
|
|
who would've started this year. Early on will be tough, but by mid season those young tackles will be fine.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [93609]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 95384
Joined: 12/25/09
|
If it was a big issue then...
Jun 29, 2015, 11:45 PM
|
|
he should have said something previous to having one guy leave. An injury would have put us exactly were we are had we not lost a player.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 30
| visibility 1
|
|
|
50
