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RFK is an old school liberal... He is what the mainstream of
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May 27, 2023, 8:18 PM
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the Democratic Party used to be before the radical Marxist wing choked the life out of the liberals and took over the Democratic Party. I doubt RFK will ultimately get the Democratic nod because he has some significant baggage that the MSM will not ignore like they do for those that share their far left agenda.
If RFK somehow managed to grab the Democratic nomination I would feel a lot better about the upcoming election simply because if he were to win he would likely push a left of center agenda instead of the radical leftist insanity that we have been getting. I still probably wouldn't vote for RFK because his past takes on energy are a bit whacked for me (he opposes Nuclear) and he supports a lot of other typical liberal policies of which I disagree. Having said that, I sure as heck prefer RFK to any other Democrat that is currently throwing their hat in the ring...
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Re: RFK is an old school liberal... He is what the mainstream of
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The problem is it seems the Marxists have such a firm grip on the democrat party that I think an “old school democrat” would be pulled very hard left as well.
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Re: RFK is an old school liberal... He is what the mainstream of
May 27, 2023, 9:50 PM
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Mainstream liberal? That shows how little you know. He's the black sheep in the family, who never held office and believes the debunked idea that childhood vaccinations cause autism.
But I shouldn't be surprised that conservatives think Democrats should nominate someone whose only qualification is a famous name.
Here's an idea, get your own party in order. And learn what Marxism is. All you do is throw around "Marxism" "Communism" and "Socialism" as if you have the foggiest idea what any of them mean.
Republican hopes on winning the election seem to hinge on the belief that Democrats are so stupid that they will nominate an unelectable candidate. Let me break it to you. It ain't happening. It makes it difficult to take you guys at all seriously.
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Just shows how mucha fascist you are
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May 27, 2023, 10:02 PM
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You gravitate to the commies of your party
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Re: Just shows how mucha fascist you are
May 28, 2023, 8:24 AM
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And that short sentence shows how little you understand the definitions of things, my man.
"Fascists" and "Commies" are opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fascists are extreme right-wingers, Commies extreme left. You refusing to learn that (despite the fact that it's been pointed out about a gazillion times on here) and using them interchangeability isn't just ridiculous, it also disregards the lessons of history that tens of thousands of Americans died for.
There is a reason the ultra-Fascist Nazi Germans tried to obliterate the Communist Soviet Union. They weren't playing for the same team. At all. Actually the Germans intended to liquidate the entire Slav race, because they considered it inferior.
America has fought wars against both extremes.
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NAZI = National Socialist***
May 28, 2023, 9:36 AM
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Re: NAZI = National Socialist***
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You're not just a complete tool, RP, you're also a complete nincompoop. You really are. I have seldom met a guy (aside from maybe CharlestonTom) who was so completely, utterly, consistently wrong, and so blissfully unaware of it. You're also trying to rewrite history in the face of a guy who is 3/4's German, by the way, whose grandparents and great-grandparents ran from Germany in the '30's, because they were about fourth or fifth on Hitler's list. (You know, behind the Jews, Gypsies...and Communists.)
Nazism was a social reaction to Communism, its polar opposite. Nazi Germany was not trying to turn the world into a classless idyllic worker's paradise, they in fact wanted to exterminate anyone not white and Aryan enough for them and create more living space for the Master Race. If that sounds like "Socialism" to you, I'll have whatever you're smoking.
The Nazis called themselves "National Socialists" because it made the harsh medicine go down easier with the "rabble" (they invented that term)...and because they were liars. (Goebbels coined the term "the Big Lie" too, in fact.)
The Nazis pretty much tried to physically annihilate actual Communists wherever they found them...inside and outside of Germany. Communism, they believed, was a construct of the slave races.
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Re: NAZI = National Socialist***
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Dear Quozz,
Until somewhat recently, I had agreed with your ‘Nazi equals opposite of Communist’ understanding.
After putting some additional study into the comparisons & contrasts of the German driven Holocaust and the Romanian driven Holocaust, it has finally sunk in that National Socialism and Communism were (are) closer together than per our previous perceptions.
The real antithesis of Communism is Capitalism.
The real antithesis of National Socialism is … also Capitalism.
National Socialism is based on a leftist economic model.
Communism is based on a further-left economic model.
The wild rhetoric from Nazi Germany towards USSR, and vice versa created a perception that their respective economic models were the cause of the uh, er, feud. Actually, the even-lefter Communist economic model was a huge threat to the state-protected private industries in Germany. German industrialists, being very comfortable in all aspects with the state-controlled oligopolies protected by the German govt, we’re scared isht-less at the thought of being completely taken over by the govt a la USSR Communism.
When the USSR / German war happened, the endless stories that the war was being fought significantly on ideological grounds … with the (nuances) in their economic model being cited as one of several key factors … were conflated by Western media to make it easier for their readership to ‘understand’ why these two evil regimes were fighting each other.
FWIW. Enjoy Memorial Day.
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Hey, I hear North Korea is democratic!
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I mean, they put it in their name! The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
I mean, if they say they are, they gotta be! Just like how the Nazis were Socialist because they put it in their name!
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Holy Jesus...
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I know YOU are not that dumb. Xtiger would make that point, but I know you know history better than that.
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Re: Just shows how mucha fascist you are
Jun 1, 2023, 10:39 PM
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Wrong -
Communism and Fascism are close cousins.
People who say different are called communists.
In pure communism, the government owns everything and in pure fascism the government controls everything. Look it up…
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Grimm - nice to see that you finally turned your skok
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account into paying TNET account - congratulations.
Now to the matter at hand. As I said - RFK has baggage (the anti-vaccine stuff is just one of his "bags"). However, if you bothered to do your homework and actually read what RFK's positions through the years have been on everything from energy, the environment, to social programs and taxation policy he falls right in line with most liberal Democrats. Notice I said "liberal" and not "leftist" - there is s a difference or do you not realize that as well?
By the way, I have very good grasp of not only Marx, but Engels, Lenin, and Gramsci, to include their history and various theories. You see - when I was young, we actually studied these people and their writings in school because their ideological offspring were very dangerous people who inflicted human suffering and misery throughout the world. Back then, we were actually concerned with defeating those ideologies while extolling the virtue of our own capitalist system. Of course that was a time well before our school systems got turned into social engineering projects and leftist indoctrination centers.
You may not like it, but the fact of the matter is that the Marxists in our society have found a political home and it is the Democratic Party. They may call themselves Democratic Socialists, Black Lives Matter (Inc.), or just plain "progressives" but their policy objectives and Governmental goals are steeped in Marxist thought. That may be uncomfortable for you to accept (obviously it is by your response) but it doesn't change the fact that it is true.
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Re: Grimm - nice to see that you finally turned your skok
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I agree with some of that. BLM's organizers are openly Communist. AOC calls herself a "Social Democrat"...she's a Commie. So's Bernie. So are a lot of the so-called "Squad." A lot of academia is Ivory Tower - or sometimes just overt and unvarnished - Socialism or outright Communism.
There is a reason, though, that Communism hasn't really taken root in America to this point...and that reason is pretty simple: a successful middle class insulates a society against silly extremism, from both the left and the right. When the average Joe is doing all right, where's the incentive to get extreme?
The problem is that the middle class in America is getting squeezed into oblivion. And the biggest reason for that is because moneyed interests have been buying politicians like commodities and have turned America from "We The People" into "Them With Money." Social mobility has drastically decreased, the average Joe is increasingly in debt and not doing all right...and hey, there's extremism on both flanks starting to take off.
Whole lot of systemic scams going on in America right now...and to be honest, most of them have very little to do with race or even politics. It's just the rich getting richer at everyone else's expense...and that class gulf creates the preconditions that allows Communist ideals to take root. Kinda like cancer.
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Re: Grimm - nice to see that you finally turned your skok
May 28, 2023, 9:50 AM
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quozzel accidental TD, sorry!
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Largely true; also social mobility + politics correlation
Jun 1, 2023, 5:11 PM
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Largely in agreement with you, with exception being taken from your last paragraph “Whole lot of systemic scams going on in America right now...and to be honest, most of them have very little to do with race or even politics.”
Politically connected scams are proliferating; non-profit organizations are the laundering mechanism by which political scam money gets conveyed to other entities that in turn do work to support political messages.
Example: The US Federal govt uses a non-profit (EcoHealth Alliance) to funnel money to Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) for more COVID work.
FYI, EcoHealth Alliance uses WIV to generate propaganda that COVID 19 has a natural origin.
The US Federal govt prefers the ‘COVID - natural origin’ narrative as a means to buy time and figure out how to explain the ocean of lies that they pushed on the American people since late 2019 with respect to the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.
(EcoHealth Alliance board members and staff make a nice living … another example of how entities with political connections are being increasingly enriched as the direct result of political connections.)
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Re: Grimm - nice to see that you finally turned your skok
May 28, 2023, 9:50 AM
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Here's what you right-wing bootlickers do...
Every time you lose an election, you escalate the rhetoric. Let's call them socialists. Lost again, let's call them communists. (Is there anything dumber than the person who uses socialist and communist interchangeably?") Now it's been Marxist. How scary.
You care whether or not I have a paid membership?
I'm sure you were a great potato peeler in the army. Thank you for that service.
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Yep - you got me - peeled potatoes to the point the Army
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sent me to the War College and promoted me to the rank of Colonel. Guess I was pretty good at peeling those potatoes...
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Re: RFK is an old school liberal... He is what the mainstream of
May 28, 2023, 7:00 AM
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You remind me of my sister.
She lets NPR and the cable news channels (excluding Fox News) do her thinking for her.
Doormat Democrats waiting to get the family’s table scraps and perfectly happy when praised with the ‘good girl’ bromide.
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Re: RFK is an old school liberal... He is what the mainstream of
May 28, 2023, 9:42 AM
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You remind me of my sister.
She lets NPR and the cable news channels (excluding Fox News) do her thinking for her.
Doormat Democrats waiting to get the family’s table scraps and perfectly happy when praised with the ‘good girl’ bromide.
There is some irony that all the people who let Fox News think for them say that nobody else thinks for themselves.
Nobody is taking JFK Jr seriously, but a bunch of toadies are parroting Fox.
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Re: Rfk gaining. If it was him and trump
May 27, 2023, 10:22 PM
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He is lying like bill clinton
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Re: Rfk gaining. If it was him and trump
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RFK, Jr. is also the only Democrat in generations that I can tolerate.
Yes (same as Trump), RFK, Jr. has a lot of baggage.
However, both Trump and RFK, Jr. are true political outsiders.
(Even here on TNet, I’ve read where some of our resident Doormat Democrats have referred to RFK, Jr. as the “Black Sheep” … which BTW is an old time phrase with racist undertones … of the Kennedy family and therefore an undesirable option. To me, that is ringing confirmation that RFK, Jr. credentials as a true old time left-of-center liberal are true; this makes him as a legitimate defender of the Constitution.)
I’m not going to get caught up in a candidate’s personal baggage. GWB and BHO didn’t appear to have any infidelity problems. Both were horrendous presidents. I’ll hold my nose and vote for whichever candidate that I believe will (1) fight for the Constitution; (2) root out corruption from within the government; (3) fight the crony capitalistic status quo that has been getting continually worse since Reagan left office; (4) stop supporting wars which are platforms for politically connected people to skim money off the military & humanitarian aid which the US taxpayers pay for; (5) make the adjustments to the civil rights act that simultaneously recognize that US policy of coercing race based quota systems is (a) counter-productive for the American economy, (b) proven to be fundamentally unhelpful to the black and Native American demographics, and (c) are completely unnecessary … American employers need young people from any & all demographic groups to fill the yawning void that is being created by the retirements of the Baby Boomer generation; (6) push to enact trade policies that improve the prospects for strategically important industries to be competitive vis a vis subsidized foreign competition &/or foreign competition that doesn’t adhere to U.S. standards of clean water & air, fair labor practices, and non-exploitative acquisition of raw materials; (7) gets rid of coercive ESG policies; and (8) separates News reporting businesses from being business units of corporations whose other businesses are not news related (examples being ABC News as a unit of Disney and the former case of NBC News being a unit of GE).
Whomever between the POTUS nominees from the Democrat party and Republican Party offers the best platform to accomplish the most of these will get my vote.
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Re: Rfk gaining. If it was him and trump
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Did you like him when he was arrested for heroin possession and when his wife offed herself?
That nutjob Democrat from Hawaii was a favorite of Republicans, too.
Again showing how incapable of showing any sense y'all are. "The only Democrat I like is one who doesn't act anything like a Democrat. Derp. Derp. Derp."
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It's about time
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to put this dude on 'ignore.'
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Re: It's about time
May 28, 2023, 9:52 AM
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Like I'd give a sh!t?
Are you the guy who announces his departure, too?
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Just tryna give you fair warning.
Jun 1, 2023, 7:59 AM
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Maybe you can improve.
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Why do any of y'all use ignore?
Jun 1, 2023, 8:16 AM
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Just actually ignore it like an adult. Don't read it. It's not hard.
Look at my profile. Zero people on ignore.
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Re: Rfk gaining. If it was him and trump
Jun 1, 2023, 5:44 PM
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As I admitted, RFK, Jr. has baggage.
I’ll take a flawed man that doesn’t have the agenda of turning the entire federal bureaucracy into a partisan hit squad that gets unleashed on his political opponents.
In other words, any thinking American will choose just about anyone other than Biden. Never did I think that I would see the day that a POTUS would take the crimes of Watergate, amplify them by 100x, and have 40% of the country remain oblivious to this danger. But here we are … Biden is the front runner to be the next Dem POTUS nominee, and the large majority of Democrat voters are oblivious to the risk that USA’s system of governmental checks and balances will disappear if he gets re-elected.
Obama and GWB were, to my limited understanding, non-philandering husbands. Both were awful presidents.
It’s all about priorities and how one’s choices either move the person toward or away from those priorities.
For POTUS choice, I’ll take a bad husband figure all day over a political mobster like Biden.
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Yeah? Y'all want some RFK, Jr.?
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Let's take a look at his platform. Copy and paste from his site:
Environment
"Secondly, we will incentivize the transition of industry to zero-waste cycles and clean energy sources, and forge agreements with other countries to implement these policies throughout the global supply chain. These first two policies will vastly reduce the toxic waste, industrial poisons, and pesticides that make people and ecosystems sick.
Finally, we will protect wild lands from further development, by curbing mining, logging, oil drilling, and suburban sprawl. We will become a global advocate for rainforest preservation and marine restoration. We will rethink development policies that promised economic growth while ignoring ecological sustainability, and ended up delivering neither."
Crime
"We will also take special care to ensure the civil liberties of minorities and the poor. We will end the failed War on Drugs and grant amnesty to nonviolent drug offenders. We will shut the school-to-prison pipeline, and transition prisons away from a punishment paradigm to a rehabilitation paradigm. Prisons will be an intervention in a life gone wrong, and a way to prevent offenders from harming others again.
Instead of defunding the police, we will transform the police. We will incentivize them to prevent violence, not make unnecessary arrests. We will train them in deescalation and mediation skills and partner them with neighborhood organizations. No longer will their relationship to the public be adversarial. They will focus their attention on serious crimes, not harassing ordinary people."
War and Military
"As President, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. will start the process of unwinding empire. We will bring the troops home. We will stop racking up unpayable debt to fight one war after another. The military will return to its proper role of defending our country. We will end the proxy wars, bombing campaigns, covert operations, coups, paramilitaries, and everything else that has become so normal most people don’t know it’s happening. But it is happening, a constant drain on our strength. It’s time to come home and restore this country."
How about on healing America?
https://www.kennedy24.com/heal Heal the Divide Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. will focus his campaign on the values Americans hold in common, and lead the country toward an ethos of respectful dialog and reconciliation across races, parties, and divisions. Learn more about our plan to Heal the Divide.
You know, I actually do think he's got a great message. But y'all don't actually support him because y'all have spoken out against a lot of stuff I just cited. Y'all only like the man because he's an anti-vaxxer. If he did get the nomination--and that would be refreshing--Fox would turn on him and y'all would too.
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Re: Yeah? Y'all want some RFK, Jr.?
Jun 1, 2023, 8:28 AM
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They just don't want Biden to beat Trump again and think that they somehow can get Democrats to support an unelectable candidate who has never held office. Which is dumb, because it will never happen.
It's not just that he's anti-vaxx, but that he has been so for a long time, promoting the completely debunked connection between childhood vaccinations and autism.
Can you imagine what these same Tnuts would say about him if (in some fantasy world) he did get the nomination? The heroin arrest and the wife who offed herself?
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Re: Yeah? Y'all want some RFK, Jr.?
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He's getting a lot of love from Fox, and while they'll all get on here and claim they don't watch Fox and Fox doesn't control them and yada yada, we know where this sudden love for him is coming from. Not a single one of them knows his platform or ideology. They just hear the anti-vax part.
Kinda like how they all loved Tulsi Gabbard when it turns out she was just a hot version of Elizabeth Warren.
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Re: Yeah? Y'all want some RFK, Jr.?
Jun 1, 2023, 5:48 PM
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If the Democrat party had some candidate who would be much more likely to win the 2024 election than Biden, then would you support her / him over Biden?
It seems that your real concern with RFK, Jr. is that you fear he will divide the Democrat electorate.
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