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Hall of Famer [8554]
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Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:23 PM
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Just dropped bombs on Iran's nuclear sites.
Pray for our country and peace.
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Orange Phenom [14353]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:25 PM
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Saw this a few minutes ago. Hopefully there isnt a group of Iranian terrorists in the US that came through our open borders over the past few yrs.
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Ring of Honor [21491]
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Sleeper cells are a real concern.***
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:30 PM
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Hall of Famer [8554]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:31 PM
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Yep. With the open borders under Biden anything is possible.
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Game Changer [1923]
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Everyone of them were vetted<Barry & Joe said so...
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:39 PM
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Despite their aversion to assimilate, predeliction for violence & lawlessness..they all love America.
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Dynasty Maker [3406]
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Re: thank goodness you didn't get suckered...
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Jun 21, 2025, 9:49 PM
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Seriously? You think pro-peace means blindly allowing terrorists to build nuclear weapons and not doing anything about it? Ok.
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Dynasty Maker [3406]
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Trump was the one who backed out of the Iran Nuclear deal
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:16 PM
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in which regulations, and governance were put on their nuclear capabilities.
There was no enrichment, until the agreement was canceled under Trump.
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Game Changer [1923]
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It was a joke and a sh-- show...placating the naive****
Jun 24, 2025, 6:01 AM
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Varsity [107]
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Clemson Icon [26248]
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Re: it was getting done without military action...
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Jun 22, 2025, 12:07 AM
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Here is the information you need. Iran would be where they are today, deal or no deal. The deal was a kick the can down the road affair, allowing politicians at the time the ability to pass the problem on to someone else. We are that someone else, and this time we didnt kick it down the road.
You are no longer misinformed.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-united-states/story?id=123020009
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Standout [241]
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Re: it was getting done without military action...
Jun 22, 2025, 8:40 AM
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Did you post the wrong article? Because the ABC News piece you linked doesn't support what you're claiming at all. It actually shows the opposite - that Iran's nuclear program was significantly rolled back under the deal and then accelerated after we withdrew.
The article clearly states Iran's breakout time went from over a year to 3-4 months after the deal ended, and that they had shipped out 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium and dismantled two-thirds of their centrifuges while it was in effect. That's not "the same position deal or no deal" - that's a dramatic difference in their nuclear capabilities.
Either you didn't read your own source or you're hoping others won't.
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Clemson Icon [26248]
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Re: it was getting done without military action...
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Jun 22, 2025, 11:50 AM
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All the provisions in the deal were sundowned. And many of them weren't even 100% prohibitions. Iran got everything it wanted: a ton of cash and open oil trading in return for a future nuclear weapon. Our politicians at the time got what they wanted: a very expensive way to shove the problem to us.
Why you cant admit what even ABC knows, only you can answer.
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Standout [241]
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Re: it was getting done without military action...
Jun 22, 2025, 12:35 PM
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You're moving the goalposts. Your original claim was that Iran "would be where they are today, deal or no deal" - but your own ABC source directly contradicts this. The article shows Iran had dramatically reduced nuclear capabilities under the deal: 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium removed, two-thirds of centrifuges dismantled, breakout time extended from months to over a year.
Yes, the deal had sunset clauses - that's standard in arms control agreements and doesn't negate the immediate benefits of rolling back their program. The choice wasn't between a perfect permanent solution and withdrawal. It was between managing and constraining their program while working on follow-on agreements, versus letting them sprint toward a bomb with zero constraints.
Your "future nuclear weapon" framing ignores that withdrawal guaranteed an immediate nuclear weapon pursuit, while the deal bought time and created diplomatic space. Even with sunset clauses years away, we'd be in a far better position dealing with a contained program in 2030 than an accelerated one in 2025.
The cash argument also misses the mark - those were Iran's own frozen assets, not American taxpayer money. And the "expensive way to shove the problem" characterization applies far better to military strikes, which cost vastly more and create new problems without permanently solving the nuclear issue.
If the deal was so ineffective, why did Iran immediately restart enrichment after we withdrew? Their actions prove the constraints were real and meaningful.
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Clemson Icon [26248]
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Re: it was getting done without military action...
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Jun 22, 2025, 1:18 PM
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No moving of any goalposts: the difference between your take and mine is that I admit to what is on the table, and I admit to what I dont know, because what we know and dont know is:
I do not know exactly when Iran would have actually had a nuke under the agreement.
I do know they were left with the means, though reduced, to pursue one.
I do know they developed the ability to make about 10 of them.
I do not know when they would they have had the ability to produce only one, with the deal as written.
I do know that owning a nuke was their top priority.
I dont know how much the agreement would have slowed them down.
I do know it would not have stopped them.
Had the deal been with Cuba, we would never have signed it. We might allow a reactor there, but never the means to make a bomb, whatever percentages were written into whatever 'inspection' arrangement. Would be suicide to allow that. Yes, I think Iran would have one by now. Even if not, close to it. If you want to camp on my wording of "same as now" to claim some version of verbal victory, be my guest. When did "reduced enrichment capability by 2/3" become better than, "left 1/3 of their bomb making capability in place?"
It is Iran who wants all Israelis dead. It is Iran who wanted, always wanted, and never gave up, pursuit of nuclear weapons. It is they who produced them, for the purpose of eliminating Israel. If they now said, "It is your fault we have them, because you didnt trust us", that is the classic definition of gaslighting. Does it feel good to say it for them?
The deal was Neville Chamberlain waving a signed paper, saying, "We have peace in our time". That is what our politicians did with the original deal. The last defense of a head in the sand is to redefine victory today as failure tomorrow. You want to follow them. Fine.
I give you the last word.
Message was edited by: CUintulsa®
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Standout [241]
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Re: it was getting done without military action...
Jun 22, 2025, 1:38 PM
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>I give you the last word.
Good, you are no longer misinformed.
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Valley Protector [1496]
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You need to change flavors of Kool Aide.***
Jun 21, 2025, 10:08 PM
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110%er [3785]
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Yes. Absolutely. Pray for our kids and grandkids***
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:32 PM
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Game Changer [2050]
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All-In [10462]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 8:58 PM
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It was at the point were we had no choice. The moment they got a nuclear bomb they would have definitely used it on Israel and then on us. Well done guys and Go Tigers!
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Dynasty Maker [3406]
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Paw Master [16955]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 9:17 PM
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Yep, had to it in my opinion.
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:46 PM
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That sounds like a complete stretch that they would have used it. Once they have one though it makes them harder to control.
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Commissioner [1209]
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:50 PM
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We better hope North Korea never gets a nuke.
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 21, 2025, 10:53 PM
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Other than the ones they have. We just don't want Iran to have the power NK does.
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Commissioner [1209]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:55 PM
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It was making a point to a moron. If Iran used a nuke, it would guarantee their destruction.
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:59 PM
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Sure would. On the other hand, if they had nukes, they probably feel like there wouldn't be shyt we would do to them. They might even become more belligerent in other ways.
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Varsity [132]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 21, 2025, 10:03 PM
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Yep. Doesn't matter who gets elected. The bombs keep dropping & politicians & defense contractors keep making bank.
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 21, 2025, 10:10 PM
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They could have just kept arming Ukraine?
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Paw Warrior [5043]
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:28 PM
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Yep. Doesn't matter who gets elected. The bombs keep dropping & politicians & defense contractors keep making bank.
I bet Liz Cheney wishes she would have voted for Trump now. Her family loves to profit from war. What a RINO Traitor.
Trump2024
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 21, 2025, 10:56 PM
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You're talking about Trump as far as RINO?
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 21, 2025, 10:10 PM
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It's possible, but when was the last Iranian terrorist attack in the USA?
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Game Changer [2017]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:31 PM
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The Hypoctites are out in full force
Pubs - stay out of other countries affairs. No new wars. Blah blah
Also pubs - yay we dropped the bomb on em
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Dynasty Maker [3159]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:44 PM
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Pray for peace??? Iran is absolutely going to retaliate. Hopefully, our soldiers will be safe.
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Orange Blooded [2564]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 21, 2025, 10:52 PM
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Yes,.prayers will stop the war.
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Game Changer [2017]
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Re: Bombs away.
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Jun 21, 2025, 10:55 PM
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LOL!
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Clemson Conqueror [11440]
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What to do?
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Jun 22, 2025, 1:12 AM
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With a country that repeatedly claims Death to America from its official government?
I don't have the answer to this question. Praying
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All-TigerNet [5915]
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Re: Bombs away.
Jun 22, 2025, 1:30 AM
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Supposedly 6 B2s and 12 Bunker Busters dropped.
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