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Is the US systemically racist?

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 8:56 PM
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I am pleased Chauvin was convicted of at least 2nd degree manslaughter and perhaps 3rd degree murder. Chauvin's actions were not those of a reasonable police officer.

However, before and now since the verdict our leaders are telling us we are a systemically racist country. If this is indeed true, our country is not an essentially good country, but a bad one. I do not share that view. We were definitely systemically racist during slavery and until the 60's for sure, but have made great strides.

To listen to many, one would think things have never been more oppressive for blacks in America. There is always room for improvement and I feel much improvement has been made in attempting to provide opportunities to all. However, simply because there are unequal outcomes in health, education, housing, etc, does not necessarily mean that these unequal outcomes are due to systemic racism.

Why is it that a super majority of immigrants from Africa choose to come to the US since 1990 if we are so morally bankrupt as a country?

Again, I'm glad Chauvin was convicted for his actions, but honestly do we even know that his actions were racially motivated? Chauvin is responsible for his actions, but I know personally of no one who approves of what he did. Police reform and education is needed, but people of all colors also need to recognize that it is extremely unwise to resist the police. The simple action of compliance even if the officer is the biggest racist redneck on the planet is always the correct play.

The killing of George Floyd was totally unnecessary. I don't understand Chauvin's actions, but I also feel this tragedy is being used to divide us further by depicting our country as systemically racist.


If America is so bad, what countries with a large black minority population are morally superior. It's purely anecdotal, but I have sure heard some rather strong racist remarks in the UK and France. We've elected a black President and VP. What other countries have sone so?

Here in SC, we have a black US Senator. Yes, the very state where slavery was strongly entrenched, where the Civi War began and where Jim Crow laws were enforced with relish.

We all can do better, but the disdain with which some politicians and others view our country and whites in general is not productive in my opinion. I'm tired of the rhetoric which divides us instead of looks to solve problems that are multifactorial. It is really a shame that we are where we are. As humans we share 99.9% of the SAME DNA. That 0.1% is such a problem which is bizarre. None of us chooses our race and until recently our sex.

It is important that we have a full discussion on racial outcome inequality, but consider all the causes. Chauvin's actions were heinous, but his guilt is his, it is not mine.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:03 PM
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I believe the actions and rhetoric of the past year have had the exact opposite effect of what was intended. As far as I'm concerned, this is Obama part 2. This is all we'll hear about for at least the next 3 1/2 years.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:34 PM
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was it determined to be a racially motivated killing?

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Nope. I'm still waiting on any evidence, since it


Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 11:59 PM
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happened, that it was racially motivated in any way.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:41 PM
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3 words! Competitive media markets. All of these media outlets are wanting clicks, views and story sales. These media outlets report on opinionated
( not professional) views to get stories. Media has divided this country from other countries and more importantly this country as a whole. I think the best thing for all of us to do is turn off your computers, TVs, phones and other devices and go the heyll outside and just live for Christ sakes!

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:43 PM
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Longer answer, the US is determined to keep poor people poor which disproportionately affects minorities. Keep in mind that today is 420 and a good reminder of how drug laws are still being used to keep black people locked up.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:49 PM
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It won’t get better with the stimulus and Unemployment sky rocketing. All of these businesses closing early and often because people are getting paid more to set on their arsess than going to a minimum wage, part time or equivalent paying job as unemployment benefits.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:52 PM
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Remember. Just because there are drugs that exist on earth doesn’t mean one bad to consume or sell them. That is a lame excuse.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 10:12 PM
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Real poor people, not people who are American poor, come to this country to do well financially and many achieve financial success. I know several personally. If you can't go from poor to wealthy in this country, you wouldn't be able to do it anywhere else.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:13 AM
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what an ignorant post.

The answer is yes if you believe what MSM, social media, and your dumba$$ progressive "friends" tell you.

The question is to YOU. Are YOU racist? If you say no, then there you go. If you say yes, then you need to fix that.

If you vote democrat, you are the person/group responsible for keeping poor people poor. Poor people cannot be made middle class by giving them middle class income. Will NEVER happen. If you think it will, you are plain wrong as the day is long.

The only way for poor people, esp. the black community, to improve themselves as a whole is education and culture change. THAT is the change that is needed.

Chauvin verdict changes nothing in the hood. Same people doing drugs, committing crimes, not looking for jobs today as last week. Will be the same next week and next year.

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Actually it will make it worse in black


Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 10:14 AM
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Communities ...

Less people will be inclined to become police officers.

Less police equals more crime, which will affect the black communities more

That verdict just made a lot of peoples lives more difficult

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I’ve never intentionally nor overtly been racist. But maybe

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 9:57 PM
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I’m clueless to systemic racist. I grew up in the age of desegregation, had Black friends and played sports with Blacks. Throughout my career, I worked with Blacks in many roles. I saw and embraced Blacks being successful in business, athletics and entertainment. I thought things were good. It was an easy and convenient narrative that racism in America wasn’t that bad. I didn’t think too much about racism and social justice, It didn’t directly impact my life.

But somehow after 50 years after landmark civil rights, many in the Black community have not prospered to the same extent as others. I don’t know all the reasons why. Perhaps there’s some element of systemic racism in banking / loans, real estate, criminal justice, education, small business etc. Some of that systemic racism may be due to unconscious actions, some may be intentional. There may be additional reasons for these societal inequities.

I’m OK with trying to make race relations better and trying to lessen inequities. I don’t feel personally responsible or to blame for where things are. I don’t feel threatened at all by the BLM movement, criminal justice reform and a second look at civil rights in a broader context.

I’ve never felt personally disadvantaged being white, never really felt advantaged. In retrospect, maybe I had some advantage due to white privilege. I never consciously played that card. Just call me another “clueless but willing to reconsider” Boomer .... whose life’s been good so far.

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Yes. Obviously, it is, but that doesn't make us a bad

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 10:09 PM
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country. Just imperfect.

You sound really defensive and a bit out of touch with what is happening. It's not your fault. I would suggest you take your last sentence to heart and not imagine yourself as somehow guilty for the racism of others or that you are a supporter of systemic racism that favors white people simply because you are white or what ever the reason you are taking the truth of systemic racism so personally.

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Yes.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 10:15 PM
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Affirmative action, preferential treatment for "disadvantaged" businesses, lowered standards for college admissions, etc etc etc

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 10:15 PM
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I dare anyone to define "systemically racist".

Anyone? Are you there?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 12:07 AM
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Systemic racism is the social and institutional processes which reproduce racial inequality. It does not require racist actors within the system, it is racism embedded in the system itself. For example, say that the hypothetical police force of Oceania was systemically racist — it had a computer system programmed to assign more police patrols to black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods. In this system, it is possible that every single police officer in the force is a black-loving certified anti-racist, yet the police would still be functioning as a racist institution.

We have strong evidence that there are some lingering forms of systemic racism in the United States. For example, by looking at maps of where redlining was practiced, we can see that the effects of redlining still affect outcomes (in a statistical, on-average way).

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:22 AM
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Bullchit. This is what happens in the echo chamber. It's invisible, undefinable, etc. because it does not exist.

EXCEPT, it does exist in the democratic platform to continue the dependence program for blacks, keeping them unable to do for themselves. This is indeed systemic racism.

Systemic racism will be replaced by the next best thing once all the money is drained from that well. The race industry is very good at adapting and getting into the minds of people like Clemson_Chris®.

Let me ask you progressive holier-than-thou people a question. If the black crime rate (rate have you, that's per capita) were the same a whites, and if the education profile of blacks where the same as whites (the % of HS, college graduates), if the income distribution was the same as whites where would the systemic racism be?

WAIT! You can't say it is gone because of the conditions I outlined. What else must have changed to make the above conditions true? Is it me loving black people more? No. Is it that statues were removed? No. Is it that cops quit shooting unarmed black males? No. Is it you loving black people more? No. It is black people fixing their culture...YES.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:50 AM
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So what, we just tell the black community that their problems are their own fault and that’s going to fix things? I’m sure all the black people living in inner city neighborhoods will hear that and think “oh wow, I thought all this sociological and criminological data pointed to our systemic oppression, turns out we just weren’t trying hard enough.” This approach is never going to work, you’re living in a fantasy land.

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Classist, yes. Racist, no.***

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 10:29 PM
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Perhaps casually, but I don't see intentional correlation.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 7:50 AM
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Take the justice system. I'd still say it's one of the finest systems on the planet, but we still see wealthy and powerful people get away with things that you and I (much less someone in poverty) know we would be under the jail for.

The wealth and power often prevents the person from even being charged or perhaps lightly investigated, but when they are charged, their legal defense is simply better than others would have because they can afford it.

These perks are because they're wealthy and powerful though, not because they're white. If OJ Simpson had been a middle school janitor and been accused of the same crime, he may have already been out of death row appeals.

That's just the legal system. You can apply it to private schools vs public, health care, etc. A wealthy black person is going to live their #bestlife a whole lot better than a poor white person. The makeup of these classes may have disproportionate representation by black citizens at the lower end, but these perks exist to benefit certain people because they're wealthy, not because they're white.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 8:41 AM
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Yes, I agree those two aren't combined intentionally (at least, not on a grand nationwide scale... each municipality is different). I think we have had a system for over two centuries that has led to classism that, without even meaning it, appeals to racism.

I don't think a cop--even a bad one--wakes up in the morning and thinks, "Man, I'm gonna take out some black dude today." I think there's been a long, complicated chain of events and policy over decades that simply put him in a situation where that's more likely.

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The solution, oddly enough, seems quite simple.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:12 AM
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Don't scrap the system so much as make it easier for lower class to move upwards if so desired. That's where we've been arguing about how to do it for a century or two.

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I don't dismiss the possibility of systemic racism, but

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Posted: Apr 20, 2021, 10:57 PM
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I don't totally buy into it either. I am unconvinced. I understand that racism is ingrained in the history of our country, and that being black in America is very different from being white. I get that, and I know we still have work to do. I don't take any of that lightly. I also know that many false narratives have been repeated and driven non-stop by the media and corrupt politicians so often that they have become accepted as irrefutable truths. The truth is, police are not hunting down and slaughtering black people. White people are not born racists. The government is not oppressing black people. All of these lies are driving false beliefs and bad decisions by black people and it is only hurting them more.

Today the system worked - a bad cop was convicted and will go to jail.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 12:17 AM
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It's not something exclusive for blacks.

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No.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 7:38 AM
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It's only the narrative the libs, MSM and BLM use to justify riots, looting, defunding the police.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 7:45 AM
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I don't know that we can prove one way or another that Chauvin was motivated by race. I think Floyd is being looked at as an example of the greater problem, and that's a pretty big mix of racism and classism (mentioned by Obed).

Citing some of your examples, sure, we've made progress. I think we continue to make progress. America is still a great place to live. But yesterday was an important step in that progress.

Look no further than some of the folks here on this board. Some people were falling all over themselves trying to argue how Chauvin should be acquitted when he blatantly should not. I know for some of them, their motive rests in blindly obeying and supporting law enforcement, which is partly how we get to these problems. They don't want law enforcement held accountable because of their supposed loyalty to law and order and they think a few bad cases like this slipping through helps the greater good.

Again, that's a major part of the problem that has nothing to do with race.

Still others here are indeed racially motivated by their desire for the acquittal. We don't have to address why they're wrong. You and I know that.

A clear message had to be sent to both parties yesterday, and it was.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:30 AM
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And you believe the strong history of local violence and threats of violence from protestors/rioters did not affect the jurors decisions?

Is our justice system really that solid that it cannot be influenced by what would have been a war if he was found not guilty?

Nothing has or will be improved after the Chauvin case except for the rioter's methods have proven to be successful for them. They have been shown that they can destroy, they can kill, they can loot...and if it is for a "good reason" then it is okay. Congrats libbies, what a victory.

The same poor black communities will still be poor and crime/drug-ridden tomorrow and next week and next year. Same number of killings or maybe more with the lack of policing. You may feel better, but the Chauvin verdict will not result in a significant improvement of anyone's life over time.

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White people violently forcing their way into the Capitol

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:32 AM
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to overthrow an election, no problem

Black people rioting over police killing them, problem.

Your rebel flag is showing

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 10:09 AM
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Really, how anyone can be upset this was a guilty verdict... well, that says a lot about them.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 11:26 AM
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Let’s just be clear. If people had wanted to take over the Capitol, they would have come with more than phones and flags, and it would have happened. You guys need to quit being overdramatic and trying to justify a year of violence with a few hours. The Capitol people also left with the curfew. Your illiterate side can’t even do that.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 10:09 AM
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And you believe the strong history of local violence and threats of violence from protestors/rioters did not affect the jurors decisions?


No. To argue such diminishes any future claims you or anyone else would have that a conviction is just. It was the right verdict. Honestly, pretty open and shut.

Is our justice system really that solid that it cannot be influenced by what would have been a war if he was found not guilty?


If you want to convince me that one or two jurors hanging the whole thing felt that way, sure. But they were all unanimous and made their decision pretty clearly. Your assumption is baseless and disingenuous. The evidence was substantial against Chauvin.

Nothing has or will be improved after the Chauvin case except for the rioter's methods have proven to be successful for them. They have been shown that they can destroy, they can kill, they can loot...and if it is for a "good reason" then it is okay. Congrats libbies, what a victory.


The assumption this decision was made over rioters is ridiculous. That didn't influence any other cases like this. And if you actually believe Chauvin should have been acquitted, you rest firmly in one of those two camps I mentioned in my post. Which one is it?

The same poor black communities will still be poor and crime/drug-ridden tomorrow and next week and next year. Same number of killings or maybe more with the lack of policing. You may feel better, but the Chauvin verdict will not result in a significant improvement of anyone's life over time.


Maybe they will be. Or maybe police will think twice and use a little more self control when apprehending ANY suspect. Maybe it will send a message to them and those who blindly give them a free pass that there will be consequences for their actions.

The idea that YOU think nothing will change, thus giving you reason to believe there should have been an acquittal, is disturbing and speaks volumes.

In fact, any American upset that this didn't result in an acquittal should be eyed a little closer...

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 9:45 AM
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If America is systematically racist then I fail to see how America is a great place to live. Again, we can always look to improve our country. In 2021, if America is systemically racist, is America more racist now than in the years of Obama-Biden? If so what new institutional racist policies have been enacted since Obama- Biden and what beneficial programs to assist non white races have been rolled back?

I am not personally being defensive as I can only control my speech and my actions towards non white individuals. I sleep well not because I am naive, but because I have tried to treat every individual as I would want to be treated.

I think Obed is correct in addressing many of societies problems as more of class than race. Of course racism persists, but if a person gets a good education I believe anyone can succeed in America. If a person fails to obtain a good education, the chances of doing well are decreased regardless of race.

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And perhaps maybe me calling it a great place shows my own white privilege coming out. I feel I've had a great life in America. But I can't relate to a poor black man who grew up in a different situation.

I agree we can always improve, and we need to improve. America still has so much that is wonderful about this land, yet because of who we are, we should be better.

I don't know that I agree that the entire whole of America is systemically racist. I think that becomes more local, and on those levels, I do think we still have many problems. What may be a problem in one town may not be a problem in another. It's hard to praise or condemn the whole nation in this area.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 10:49 AM
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That just made me think of The Jerk (the movie).

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 10:18 AM
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Of course racism persists, but if a person gets a good education I believe anyone can succeed in America. If a person fails to obtain a good education, the chances of doing well are decreased regardless of race.



This is a great example of how systemic racism works. For decades, redlining was practiced in this country, and insurance requests for mortgages in and near black communities were denied by banks and the federal housing administration. At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing suburban homes and subsidizing white people who wanted to buy them — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to black people later on.

So since school are funded based on local property taxes, and a higher proportion of black kids live in areas with lower property values, these kids go to schools with less funding. Of course there are other factors involved, but it’s pretty hard to deny the impact that the racist policies of the past have on black students today.

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rons1® said:

Of course racism persists, but if a person gets a good education I believe anyone can succeed in America. If a person fails to obtain a good education, the chances of doing well are decreased regardless of race.



This is a great example of how systemic racism works. For decades, redlining was practiced in this country, and insurance requests for mortgages in and near black communities were denied by banks and the federal housing administration. At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing suburban homes and subsidizing white people who wanted to buy them — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to black people later on.

So since school are funded based on local property taxes, and a higher proportion of black kids live in areas with lower property values, these kids go to schools with less funding. Of course there are other factors involved, but it’s pretty hard to deny the impact that the racist policies of the past have on black students today.




I am talking about the here and now.Inner city schools suffer from the same issues as schools in rural Appalachia. Are banks routinely denying loans to qualified individuals based on race?Is the FHA engaged in discrimination? If not when did this practice end?

If schools attended by poor blacks suck and many of them do, why do the Dems continue to try to stop charter schools and school choice? Is that not in and of itself a racist act?

If you have had children, you will recognize that it is incumbent on the parents to stress education and to value education. Sadly part of the problem in the black community is that > 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. So the teen age mom is ill equipped with neither a good education nor the time to push her child to strive to get the best education possible. How is systemic racism responsible for this?

I must say if America is systemically racist as President Biden stated yesterday I am not sure there is much hope for correcting this problem. Biden served as a US Senator from 1973 to 2009. He was chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1987-1995. He was VP for 8 years. What significant legislation did Biden push to correct systemic racism when he held very powerful positions in government?


Harvard professor Harvey Mansfield stated that the phrase systemic racism incoherently "describes a society that is so little racist that no one can respectably advocate racism, yet so much racist that every part of it is soaked with racism," leaving us with "the paradox of a racist society without racists."

Certainly we still have racists, but indeed it is very uncool to be a racist. Most reasonable people abhor racism.

Race is being used unfortunately as a cudgel for power and for a specific political agenda. Again, we have room always for improvement, but I agree with Professor Mansfield that engaging in racist behavior or speech has probably never been so openly opposed by the vast majority of people, but yet we are made to believe that virtually every facet of our institutions is racist. If that is true, we the people are further along that our government in rejecting racism? It's great that a man that has spent almost 50 years at the center of power in DC is gonna fix it.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 4:28 PM
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If you're unwilling or unable to address how our country's history has negatively impacted black people and how this history contributes to systems that continue to reproduce racial inequality, I'm not sure how you can go about proposing solutions.

Charter schools and school choice end up taking funding away from already underfunded public schools. Unless the plan is to send every student to a charter/private school, it's a bad idea.

Maybe we should increase access to birth control information and devices as well as abortion in those communities where unplanned pregnancies are more common. Oh wait, conservatives hate that.

Systemic racism can exist without any racist actors. I read the first part Mansfield's op-ed but I'm not about to pay for a WSJ subscription. No one needs to be blamed for systemic racism, but we need to acknowledge its existence if we ever want to live in a truly equitable society.

Finally, IDGAF what Joe Biden did or didn't do in his former positions. I'd much rather look at his policy proposals now to determine their impact on systemic racism in this country. You know, "the here and now."

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 5:01 PM
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How about you quantify this problem for us. As stated numerous times on here, we’re talking about at most, 13% of the US population. In reality it’s less than that because all don’t play the victim. So say what, 6-7% of the country. That’s what all of this is about? The world needs to stand still while we go on a crusade for this? It needs to occupy all of our media and entertainment? That’s what we’re discussing?

I just want to be clear. It wouldn’t surprise me though since libs shut the world down over a virus that kills .5% or less.

Could it be that both are politically expedient? Now do assault rifles even though most murders occur by handgun.

When will you people ever quit just swallowing whatever propaganda the Dems put out and learn to actually read data and think for yourselves?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 5:28 PM
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I'd love you to provide me some data that points to a lack of systemic racism in America, as all of the findings I've seen seem to indicate the opposite.

Besides the fact that it's absurd to try to calculate a number of black citizens "playing the victim" 6-7% of the American population is about 20-22 million people. So even by your own weird math, yeah I care. Never once said that the world needs to stand still or that the issue should occupy all of our media and entertainment though.

Since you brought up guns, I can go ahead and prove to you that I'm not "just swallowing whatever propaganda the Dems put out". I think gun control is a pretty bad idea. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US, so at this point it's basically uncontrollable.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 5:36 PM
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I’m glad to hear your opinion about gun control.

The bottom line is I DON’T CARE if there is racism or bias in the country. As I’ve said, it’s on both sides and that’s a fact.

I can provide examples of plenty of black people who have succeeded in America and no not just athletes or entertainers. Look at Tim Scott or Ben Carson. Look at Benjamin Crump, the attorney in all of this. The guy talks like he’s dumb as a box of rocks yet he’s made serious bank through all of this. These people are proving daily that it can be done and nobody is holding them back.

I couldn’t care less if somebody gets “weird looks” because their pants are around their knees or they’re wearing a hoodie in 95 degree weather. Bias exists and always will no matter what country you are in.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 6:13 PM
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I don’t care about your anecdotal evidence. Of course there are successful black people in this country, literally no one is arguing that it’s impossible to succeed as a black American. Also, no one is describing systemic racism as getting weird looks for clothing choices, which it seems like you’re trying to reduce it to.

You’re the one who says data is being ignored, again I’d love to see some DATA to back that up. Otherwise it seems like you’re the one ignoring data and arguing from a purely ideological perspective.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 6:25 PM
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What in the world man? I’ve just given you hard numbers as well as specific names. Do I need to do a list of names for you?

How about this? This was all the way back in 2013 too. I’m sure it’s improved even since then. It says 8% of millionaires are black. They are 13% of the population. Not too bad.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/300528/us-millionaires-race-ethnicity/


Now...only 7 of the 614 billionaires in the US are black. Cry me a river!

https://www.businessinsider.com/black-billionaires-in-the-united-states-2020-2?op=1

So so far I’ve given ample evidence that blacks can and in fact do succeed in the US. You have given none to support your OPINION other than Dem talking points.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 PM
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You've given 0 hard numbers up to this point, unless you consider pointing out that black americans make up about 13% of the total population a hard number. Names of successful black people are incredibly irrelevant, they prove absolutely nothing. Again NO ONE is arguing that it's impossible to succeed as a black american.

If 8% of millionaires are black and 1% of billionaires are black compared to 13% of the population, those are some pretty unconvincing statistics as to the lack of systemic racism in the US.

Anyways, here's some actual studies:

The racial bias in drug imprisonment and incarceration http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/vortex.pdf
- Although White and Black Americans confess to using and selling illicit drugs at similar rates, Black Americans are HIGHLY more likely to go to prison for a drug offense.
- Blacks are about 3.7x more likely to go to prison for marijuana consumption and marijuana offenses, in spite of similar usage.
- In 2002, studies indicate that black Americans were incarcerated for drug offenses TEN TIMES the rate of white Americans.
- 97% of “large-population counties” have racial biases in their drug offense incarceration.

A large-scale analysis of racial disparities in police stops across the United States https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1.pdf
- Massive study of 100,000,000 traffic stops in the United States
- Study reveals that the requirement for searching black and hispanic's cars is much lower than that of whites.
- Black drivers are less likely to be pulled over after sunset, when it is more difficult to determine one’s race.

Bias in Juries and Persecutors
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf
- Immense multivariate regression analysis indicates that black male offenders receive 19.1% longer federal sentences compared to similarly situated whites. The “similarly situated” component takes into account: Past offenses, Socioeconomic status, and more.
- Multivariate regression analysis can be helpful when considering demographic differences in sentencing outcomes because results from more simplistic data analyses that examine only selected demographic factors and sentencing outcomes can be misleading
- Black male drug offenders received sentences that were 17.7 percent longer than White male drug offenders
- Hispanic male offenders received sentences that were 5.3 percent longer than those of White male offenders
- “Black males who do receive non government-sponsored departures and variations still serve 16.8% longer sentences than white males on average.”
- In essence, much of the sentencing discrepancies in similarly situated black and white people stems from the bias of the judge in a jury (judicial discretion), to transgress from the default sentencing regulations.
- Violence in a criminal’s history is, statistically speaking, irrelevant to the extreme disparities in sentencing, as shown in multivariate analysis

Racial disparities in school-based disciplinary actions
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/17/8255

- Black students are more likely to be stereotyped as problematic
- Black students are more likely to be punished than whites for the same offense
- Black students often receive stiffer sentences than whites

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021, 7:03 PM
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Hey I found some data where they excel, 36.4% of the violent crime and 51.2% of the murders or non negligent manslaughters. Maybe they just let the white people go in those cases huh? The numbers are similar for under 18 as well. So maybe, just possibly, they are being stereotyped as problematic...because they are.

FWIW I recommended to the court that a 20 yo black guy who broke into my high school daughter’s car and stole and used credit cards be given PTI or some sort of intervention and he was. The guy was 18 at the time and already had a rap sheet a mile long, all for similar crimes of theft and financial fraud.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43

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