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I forgot to mention he hit on me too
Jan 25, 2016, 12:15 PM
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can I get just $300k for not bringing it up in court?
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i foresee a nice donation coming FSU's way
Jan 25, 2016, 12:16 PM
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Via Jameis Winston
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Re: i foresee a nice donation coming FSU's way
Jan 25, 2016, 5:52 PM
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That's a lot of crab claws!!!!!!
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I wish some chick would rape me for 950k.
Jan 25, 2016, 12:20 PM
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Seriously though, does that mean they think he did it? Why pay if he is innocent. There has to be a lawyer here who knows the answer. Thanks for any insight offered.
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No, it means they didn't want to go through trial
Jan 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
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defending whether or not they handled the case appropriately. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with whether Jameis did it or not.
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So odd. I guess they just want to move on.
Jan 25, 2016, 12:38 PM
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Seems like that would give reason for women to lie and create more false accusations. Anyway, thanks for the insight.
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It seems like this has more to do with the fact that the
Jan 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
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plaintiff made certain school officials aware of the case (Jimbo) and it got swept under the rug for a long time. That's not something the school wants to be made public through a trial. Even if Jameis is innocent, the school doesn't want all of these details coming out
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That makes more sense.**
Jan 25, 2016, 12:51 PM
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Re: So odd. I guess they just want to move on.
Jan 25, 2016, 12:43 PM
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No, that's not what it does at all. This was the largest Title IX settlement ever. Do you really think they spent that money solely because it was the cheapest option? If her claims were flimsy then they've radically readjusted the bar for these types of claims - which would be the height of financial irresponsibility. Don't buy into their narrative.
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Devil's in the details... and the non-disclosure agreement.***
Jan 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
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Re: No, it means they didn't want to go through trial
Jan 25, 2016, 12:41 PM
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Yep - which is why I find it even more incredulous that they would state out loud (the University president no less) that they would have prevailed. They clearly botched the handling of the case. It would be almost impossible to intelligently dispute this. Whether it was intentionally done to prevent an effective prosecution of Winston is speculation but there are numerous areas highlighted in the NY Times report where the University violated its own policies. It was an open and shut case on the Title IX front which is why they settled for the largest amount ever under those claims. They shouldn't be allowed to back pedal into "we just did it to save money" now.
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Re: I wish some chick would rape me for 950k.
Jan 25, 2016, 5:58 PM
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It's actually cheaper than going to court with it. Her lawyer will get 33.3% plus all expenses and I'm sure they are in the tens of thousands. Much cheaper for the school. Jamis makes a nice tax deductible contribution to the school
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Re: I wish some chick would rape me for 950k.
Jan 25, 2016, 10:28 PM
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Absolutely he was guilty. My son was a good friend of the victim and was with her that night before they got separated and he lost track of her. He had to testify against Winston face to face at the FSU ethics panel. Winston was guilty and FSU caved.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 12:20 PM
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barely covers lawyer fees
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 12:24 PM
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I would think that this amount is the "compensatory" (not sure what the lawyer term is) damages. It wouldn't make sense to announce this if it were "less fees" would it?
I assume they pay the attorneys fees PLUS that, no?
Not sure how it works really. Would like to know for when I get sued in the future.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
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The article says including attorneys fees.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 12:49 PM
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Reading makes winners of us all! I did not read the article, but thanks for clarifying.
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i'm seeing where the attorneys receive $700Kish, she'll get
Jan 25, 2016, 12:55 PM
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$250k.
it's good bidness if you can get it.
is there a law that requires her to settle and not see this through? maybe one of which i'm not aware?
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Of course not***
Jan 25, 2016, 1:22 PM
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was it wrong of me to lead the witness? cause i could
Jan 25, 2016, 1:23 PM
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apologize if so, not that i'd mean it, but still...
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I knew where you were going
Jan 25, 2016, 1:30 PM
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I don't need leading
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well, it was more for those playing at home...
Jan 25, 2016, 1:35 PM
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i mean, i knew and i knew you knew, but was unsure about the little people.
they always appreciate when they're included.
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It'll ultimately be interesting to find out
Jan 25, 2016, 12:21 PM
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if Jameis ponies up (or maybe already has) though I doubt the amount will ever be made public
Hopefully, this'll shut-up some of the seminolejerks whose defense of Winston turned into attacks on the victim
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Re: It'll ultimately be intereesting to find out
Jan 25, 2016, 12:41 PM
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Last I heard from fsu fans was that jamis was promising to counter sue and we'd never hear anything else on this.
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He already counter-sued***
Jan 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
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thanks, viz....had missed that***
Jan 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
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Ummm...... I was at a pond fishing
Jan 25, 2016, 12:22 PM
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and this big guy came out of the woods wearing an FSU football helmet....and he wanted to put his thing in me.....and I said no, go away Jameis....and then he ran away and I have had nightmares since then. Honest.
That should be worth $100 K. Who do I need to call?
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Re: Ummm...... I was at a pond fishing***
Jan 25, 2016, 12:33 PM
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Re: Ummm...... I was at a pond fishing
Jan 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
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Are the nightmares in color or black and white? Major price difference depending on which it was.
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Re: Ummm...... I was at a pond fishing
Jan 25, 2016, 10:06 PM
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If you have a daughter, you may want to discuss what you and she would have done if this had happened to her.
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If so, you may want to touch on the inadvisability
Jan 26, 2016, 8:54 AM
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of leaving a bar late at night in a cab with multiple males.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 12:32 PM
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'Cuz nothing says "he didn't do it" like $950,000. Smh
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The lawsuit and settlement have nothing to do with
Jan 25, 2016, 12:37 PM
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whether or not Jameis did it.
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Re: The lawsuit and settlement have nothing to do with
Jan 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
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Call it black & white if you cannot read between the lines; I'd rather see the gray and call it for what it is.
"In her lawsuit, which was settled in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida, Kinsman alleged that Florida State was “deliberately indifferent” to her reported sexual assault and that its response was “clearly unreasonable.” She asserted that FSU concealed and obstructed the investigation so as to allow Winston to play football."
Per my original reply, nothing says "he didn't do it" like $950,000. Who "conceals and obstructs and investigation", acts "indifferent towards" the accuser, and / or responds "unreasonably" if there is no guilt involved?? They willingly protected their star quarterback, period. If you are one of those people that choose to believe that a well-funded university would settle for $950,000 and state the reason as being, "to avoid further litigation costs, despite our belief that we would have prevailed in court" - do you. If you aren't guilty, you don't settle, especially if you can afford to defend yourself, your brand, your name & your reputation. At least that's how I see it, but to each his/her own. Clemson punishes for marijuana harsher than FSU does for accusations of rape, stealing & conduct unbecoming of a leader. Defend them all you want but last time I checked, this is TigerNet.
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Re: The lawsuit and settlement have nothing to do with
Jan 25, 2016, 12:57 PM
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I think you are probably splitting hairs. The obvious interpretation would be that they did it deliberately to protect Winston. But, to prevail at trial, they don't have to prove that at all. They don't even have to address it. All they have to do is demonstrate that FSU violated Title IX and it is well documented that they did. It's probably been close to a year so I don't want to trip on the details but the NY Times article pretty much crucified FSU on these points.
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I don't think they're paying $950k because they're innocent
Jan 25, 2016, 1:26 PM
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or because they don't want to spend more to defend the suit. But this case is not about whether Jameis did it. It's about FSU's reaction to the accusations and defending Title IX violations.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 12:33 PM
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"The lump sum is the largest settlement for Title IX claims regarding indifference to a student’s sexual assault."
"“We have an obligation to our students, their parents and Florida taxpayers to deal with this case, as we do all litigation, in a financially responsible manner,” Thrasher said in a statement. “With all the economic demands we face, at some point it doesn’t make sense to continue even though we are convinced we would have prevailed.”
Even in settlement they're just a collection of human garbage. Sure, you gave the largest settlement ever made by a University under a Title IX complaint because it was the most financially responsible decision. Pure horsesh*t and slap right back at the plaintiff you just settled with. Truly don't understand how anyone can possibly support this school.
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it's worth watching the Hunting Grounds on amazon
Jan 25, 2016, 12:39 PM
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Saw it this morning strange enough. Good documentary to help think through this issue. Had a whole section on Jameis Winston with an interview with his accuser. Very interesting. Title IX litigation has the power to freeze federal funding until the university is cleared. More than 950K was at stake!!
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Re: it's worth watching the Hunting Grounds on amazon
Jan 25, 2016, 12:58 PM
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Admission of guilt for sure.
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I love the fact that Sons of Clemson
Jan 25, 2016, 1:04 PM
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was first to troll that post !!!! quick on draw.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 1:14 PM
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That's a lot of crab legs.
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Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 1:44 PM
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Get a million dollars out of it.
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Hillary says these women MUST be believed, unless of course
Jan 25, 2016, 1:47 PM
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her husband is the accused rapist
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 3:20 PM
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So you're privy to all the details of the case? You know conclusively that she wasn't. This settlement is about the fact that FSU did not follow federally mandating guidelines for handling sexual assault allegations. Their failure to do so makes it difficult for her claims to be substantiated. It is the reason the guidelines were created and mandated. But feel free to take the side of the accused rapist with equally little evidence. You must have a lot of respect for the women in your life.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 3:37 PM
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Nobody knows the exact truth but her and him but we do know some of the facts that are out there and it completely destroys her case which is why she's trying to milk this thing for whatever she can.
1. The toxicology tests showed she had no drugs in her system and wasn't even above the legal limit for alcohol consumption. Yet, she says she can only remember bits and pieces of the night.
2. The rape kit that she had done at the hospital showed 2 sets of DNA. One of Winston's and one of her boyfriend's. When asked about the boyfriend she refused to cooperate and when the investigators finally found the boyfriend, he refused to cooperate as well.
Those two things alone completely destroy her case. Winston complied with anything ever asked of him and didn't even deny that the two had sex. If you're looking at it completely on the surface and the facts given, nobody should believe that girl. Unless of course you're all caught up in the "Rape Culture" and think anytime a girl says something it's true and should be given the benefit of the doubt over anything and anybody else. News flash though, there are some piece of sh*t, trash girls out there and it looks like this chick is one of them. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 5:41 PM
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A) none of that relates in any way to FSU's handling of the complaint. There are rules. They didn't follow them. They were forced to settle for the largest amount ever in a Title IX claim.
B) I've never read any credible article providing proof of any of the things you are alledging. The only place I've read anything remotely like those allegations is directly from FSU fan sites and message boards.
You acknowledge that you don't actually know the facts of the case then proceed to outline the facts of the case as you believe them to exist. Take for example "Winston complied with anything ever asked of him." You simply have no way of knowing this. It is a crystal clear demonstration of your bias. There is in fact no way to prove this one way or another. However, one of the principal assertions of the plaintiff under Title IX was that Winston was made aware of the complaint outside of the mandated Title IX sexual assault rules. That by law, FSU's handling of the situation and communication was improper. So, even if he did "comply" (which again is absolutely no way to know) whatever he was complying to in the early stages of accusations was completely improper.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 6:21 PM
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You've still extrapolated a considerable amount.
She only showed a .04 blood alcohol level but let's go ahead and assume the .10 level. Most people I know when just over the legal drinking and driving threshold are suffering brownout and blackout. So we must presume she was blackout drunk or was lying about memory lapses. There isn't anything else that ever happens to women? Have you really never known a single women to have something slipped in their drink. I think you would be surprised just how common it is. Or perhaps you just think it's okay and the "######" just shouldn't be at bars if the can't keep an eye on their drinks. The prosecutor point on this topic isn't that her claims aren't true. It's that these issues make it impossible to bring criminal charges that can survive reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is what makes rape claims very hard to prosecute and flies in the face of your idea that "######" just cry rape for money.
As for the second part, I guess the fact that she had consensual sex with someone just further reinforces that she is a "#####" and got what she deserved. Perhaps, the two weren't in a relationship and he didn't want to be dragged into this sh*t. It's totally irrelevant. Women can decide with whom and when they want to have sex. That seems to be a concept that causes you discomfort.
I guess the fact the whole incident was videotaped and the recordings were erased when the parties were improperly notified raises no eyebrows with you. Since it was so obviously consensual you'd think they'd have wanted to hold on to those.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 6:37 PM
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So she went from blackout drunk to fine in under 3 hours? The rape kit and toxicology was done at 4:41. The time she claims she was "raped" was anywhere between 1:30 and 3:00.
As far as her being a #####, I mean the proof is in the pudding...literally. She had two sets of DNA on her panties. I mean it's completely logical that she went out and cheated on her boyfriend with a superstar QB. He finds out about it and she claims she was raped and keeps lying so she doesn't have to come clean. That's much more logical than her story anyway.
It's even in some of the testimony by Winston's roommate.
"The only thing he is guilty of is sleeping with a crazy a** cleat chaser who got mad, because he wouldn’t leave his girlfriend for her. They hooked up that night (as they had other nights) only this time, Jameis Winston’s girlfriend was coming into town. So he couldn’t stay. Things got heated, and she started basically beating the crap out of him. So naturally, he tried tried to restrain her."
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Re: If she had not been raped....
Jan 25, 2016, 10:43 PM
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She had consenting sex with him of which he admitted. It wasn't like that was the first night they met each other. They had been having sex on and off for a while. There are pictures out there on the interwebz of them together. But all of a sudden they screw around one night and it's "He raped me.". Like I said, regardless of your personal feelings none of the evidence supports her and all of the authorities involved agreed.
...and I pray you don't ever have a son that has a girl wrongly accuse him of rape, get prison time, and have to register as a sex offender effectively ruining his life.
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Re: If she had not been raped....
Jan 26, 2016, 12:44 AM
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You don't care about any such thing (someone being wrongfully accused). You've probably committed sexual assault yourself and feel the need to defend this situation so adamantly because you refuse to come to terms with your own sickness. Your attitude is indistinguishable from a hardline Islamic extremist that believes in honor killing. If she's dishonors herself and gets drunk a women is little more than property for whatever man happens to be around her. If she has consensual sex with a man out of wedlock then anybody else can have a piece.
I've been around jock culture that thinks a passed out woman is little more than a piece of meat to be used however they see fit. Your obsession with defending the theoretically falsely accused at the expense of the actually assaulted is reprehensible. Why don't you look up some statistics on which happens more. I guess we should make it ever more difficult to prosecute the abhorrent number of sex crimes committed in this country so that the already thin number of wrongly accused doesn't grow. I would try and say something pithy but this is deadly serious. Women are not chattel. No amount of prior sexual proclivity, even with the same partner, suggests future consent. Consent cannot be given if someone is passed out or blackout drunk. Even if she goes home with you clearly stating she wanted to have sex, you cannot have sex with her if she passes out. I know this puts a damper on a lot of frat parties but this is what it sounds like you are defending. She got drunk, she passed out, she's just a ##### - we can do Eiffel towers all night! Seriously, go discuss your attitude towards women with your mother and figure out what the hell went wrong with you.
Also, I never said I "know" that Winston is guilty. You, however, have determined that you "know" he's innocent, that you "know" she's a liar, and that you "know" she's a "#####." That is actually some really f*cked up sh*t. It's really awful that in this day and age people feel completely comfortable being the misogynist you're clearly comfortable being.
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Re: If she had not been raped....***
Jan 26, 2016, 10:16 AM
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 4:21 PM
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Sounds jealous . I bet he wishes he would have gotten that opportunity to go with Jameis and his equally upstanding cohorts that evening .
Defending rapists is tricky business .
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 5:04 PM
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Defending conniving ###### is even "trick"ier...
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 5:43 PM
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I hope you never have a woman in your life in this position. Karma can be rough. You're dude bro attitude is disgusting.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 6:14 PM
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...and I hope you are never in a position where a woman accuses you of something that you didn't do attempting to destroy your life in the process.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 6:22 PM
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Hope so too. I find not ###### women makes it particularly easy.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 8:03 PM
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You are the one that claims she is lying. You could have let it lie - but you did not. I, too, hope you never have to live through a loved one being raped.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 8:13 PM
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I'm saying that's what it looks like on the surface. For people to sit there and convict Jameis is ignorant of the evidence and just supports the whole "Rape Culture" thought that women can obviously do no wrong in life and of course they are always the victim regardless if the facts support it or not.
I have sympathy for rape victims but I also have sympathy for those that have been wrongly accused of rape which can be equally as damaging. In this case, the evidence supports Jameis. Therefore, if anyone is deserving of sympathy, it is him.
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I pray you don't or will never
Jan 25, 2016, 10:31 PM
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have a daughter and she tells you someone raped her.
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Re: I pray you don't or will never
Jan 26, 2016, 12:47 AM
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It'll be so heartwarming when he demands the evidence before allowing her to use the phone and call the police. Wouldn't any false accusations possibly ruining a poor young mans life.
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Re: Must be nice to be able to claim rape without any proof and
Jan 25, 2016, 5:48 PM
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Also, since you're convinced most women make up rape claims for money, the $250,000 she has netted from this suit won't cover a fraction of Winston's defamation counter-claim if he prevails at trial. So, if its all about money, and the facts are as clear cut as you believe - then she's destined to end up in bankruptcy after this. So, perhaps, there is more to it than you've convinced yourself.
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you don't know what evidence they have since...
Jan 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
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the DA would not allow it to court. You bet your bottom dollar that her lawyer has really good evidence or he would not still be pursuing this still. I, with all my heart, believe 100% that she was raped. I think FSU settled because more evidence was going to be brought out in trial. I know it is cheaper to settle in most cases, but FSU botched the hell out of this and if they did not think so, they would have preceded and not care how much it cost. Their reputation is worth more than they paid and they DID NOT want any more info coming forward. Both FSU and winston are guilty as he!!.
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Deer FSU, hookers are cheaper. Signed, Louisville***
Jan 25, 2016, 2:03 PM
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 4:19 PM
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$950,000 settlement. Victim gets $250,000. Attorney gets $700,000. Hmmm...seems fair and reasonable.
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 5:39 PM
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> $950,000 settlement. Victim gets $250,000. Attorney
> gets $700,000. Hmmm...seems fair and reasonable.
Counsel probably think they were the one shafted
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 6:09 PM
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Not b
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 6:10 PM
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Not by any means agreeing with innocence or guilt.. Just that she won't end up with much
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 6:21 PM
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Another example, tpd failing to get to that bar to review tape before the 4 day recycle
That abviously should have been a top shelf priority for a real investigation
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Re: FSU has agreed to pay Winston accuser $950K
Jan 25, 2016, 6:31 PM
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And Jimbo knew about it for a month before the report was filed, (then claimed he "didn't know the procedure" for Title IX thereafter)
And once the report was filed, it sat on the DA's desk for nine months? I mean geez. It's amazing to me that half of the authoritative figures in this situation even have their jobs still.
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I don't give a chit.
Jan 25, 2016, 7:07 PM
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I'd like to know when they are going to deal with the punk that broke our rock!
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