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An example of slanted reporting to fit a political agenda.
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Jul 24, 2023, 12:43 PM
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Based on everything I've read, there is no doubt that the police that released the dog was at fault here, and should be punished. That's a legitimate story. However, the guy who was wrongfully attacked by the dog was a guy who initiated the whole situation, broke laws, and endangered countless people in the process; he did a very bad thing. I agree 100% that we should expect better from our police, but we should expect better from our citizens as well, and that is just as big of a story, and the wrongness of the truck driver's behavior is just as wrong and just as big of a part of the story.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/investigation-launched-after-video-shows-ohio-police-dog/story?id=101591343
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Morally, sure.
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Jul 24, 2023, 12:54 PM
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But who holds all the power here? The guy with his hands up? Or the guys with the guns, dogs, tasers, mace, vehicles, and both the legal precedent for use of force along with a functionally non-existent mechanism for accountability?
It's a "guilty" guy here, but what about when the person is innocent, or at the very least, "guilty" of an offense that is well below the threshold for having dogs put on him, or shot, or body broken.
Until we get serious about police accountability, and stop making excuses for them because "criminals had it coming," we can't feign outrage when this crap happens to the people we love.
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Quick Edit:
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Jul 24, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Maybe this is naive, but I'd bet most of the "anti-police" outrage would have been curtailed if we had a functioning system of accountability for police in place long before now.
It makes what abuses we see much more tolerable because we would know it's truly an isolated incident that will be taken care of, instead of yet another isolated incident where the officer gets his/her wrist slapped. Or gets fired, and then rehired at another department. The outrage is not so much about the individual incidents, as well as an overall feeling that we all know what the problem is but there is not political appetite for fixing it.
At least this is the way for me.
I'm am 100% A-OKAY with the power given to police to act in the moment. They can't be effective otherwise, and having to second guess decisions can be deadly for citizens and police alike. But this power must come with accountability, and that is not the case to the extent it needs to be.
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If you think I'm making any excuses for the police here,
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:05 PM
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you have misunderstood me. I started off my post by pointing out that they were clearly wrong and should be held accountable. Zero excuses. No "the criminal had it coming" whatsoever.
My point is that what the criminal did was a very serious thing that showed no regard for the other people he endangered by fleeing from police. His wrongness is more than just a pretext to a bigger, more important issue. If anything is wrongly downplayed or excused, it's resisting and fleeing from police.
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I don't think it's downplayed or excused.
Jul 24, 2023, 1:11 PM
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I think it's more of a matter of dog bites man. Cops committing criminal acts, however, is still fortunately seen as man bites dog.
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That's what you said ...
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Jul 24, 2023, 5:34 PM
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Until we get serious about police accountability (stop downplaying it), and stop making excuses for them because "criminals had it coming," we can't feign outrage when this crap happens to the people we love.
I did neither.
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Who holds the power?
Jul 24, 2023, 6:54 PM
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Easy, the guy who made the decisions that put him in a bad place.
They both "held the power"
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Re: Who holds the power?
Jul 24, 2023, 7:07 PM
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That being said, the officer was wrong and will be held accountable
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What political agenda? The linked article contains details …
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:03 PM
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Of the drivers criminal actions including resistance to pull over, stopping and running over spike strips that punctured tires. It includes the NAACP comments. Guess the order of the information could be reversed?
LE is going to reserve comments based their internal investigation. Organizations like the NAACP, citizens groups and individuals are always going to speak to the press first because they have no formal responsibility for accuracy or context _ usually they’re comments are limited to opinions.
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Right, his criminal actions are included in the story, but
Jul 24, 2023, 1:10 PM
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they are not the headline, and they are not the story. The wrongness of one of the cops is made the story. At the end of the day, the story here is that once again, cops are racist and bad.
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Spitballing _ The Story is a police canine was deployed ….
Jul 24, 2023, 2:17 PM
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In a situation where it appears it was unnecessary. This puts the spotlight on LE, especially the unit who released the canine. The racial element increases the interest.
Honestly, traffic violations even with resistance to stopping are more common and inherently not as newsworthy. My guess is we could care less without the canine and the racial context. News organizations cover what sells. So if there’s a political spin, then perhaps it’s driven by the “demand” of the consumers of the news.
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Re: Spitballing _ The Story is a police canine was deployed ….
Jul 24, 2023, 6:59 PM
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Driven by the agenda of the propaganda driven press
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Buried in there
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:04 PM
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what did he do wrong to begin with? The article says "alleged traffic defect violation" but it sounds like nothing was charged, just the failure to comply. I'd think people who are worried about big government would take issue to this. What's the difference between this and hey you dance a little jig then lick your elbow or I shoot?
Also, can we get some clarification on how long this chase was? Article says "refused to pull over and led troopers on a chase through two counties" meaning he crossed exactly one county line.
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Re: Buried in there
Jul 24, 2023, 8:59 PM
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One of the officers says "you should of stopped 20 miles ago"
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Re: An example of slanted reporting to fit a political agenda.
Jul 24, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Why are we blaming this on the media, states need to increase funding for police, instead of handing out guns to to Low IQ, poorly trained sociopaths and expect them to effectively enforce the law. I mean 2%, yes 2% of crimes are solved this country. Instead, they mostly write tickets to make up for budget shortfalls, cause, yes you guessed it, people do not want to pay the taxes necessary to have a well paid and well trained police force that is effective at their jobs. No, we do not play that way in this country.
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Charlotte pays very well for its cops but still has
Jul 24, 2023, 1:25 PM
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recruitment problems. I'm thinking this is more due to the stigma/disrespect shown to police. Which goes back to the systemic lack of accountability for decades in policing that has finally boiled over.
But I'd still be in favor of increased funding for: 1) Mental health resources that are actually taken seriously by departments, 2) Programs designed to increase transparency in records reporting and fulfillment of FOIA request. But, primarily, #1.
There are, of course, sociopaths that are attracted to policing because of the power they have, and it is abused accordingly. However, I would (without data) suggest many of the "bad cops" are just broken down by the job and there are any mental health resources available, they are either inadequate or stigmatized.
The above was the experience of my neighbor, who retired as a Sergeant and continues to suffer from PTSD from a shootout he was involved in (or, so the story goes, forced out after the department didn't like one of his social media videos related to PTSD). He is a good man, and was a great cop. The cop you'd want out there, but he's not now because of failures within his department.
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Re: Charlotte pays very well for its cops but still has
Jul 24, 2023, 2:15 PM
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hey, I feel safer when they are around, I live in South Florida, all manor of criminals down here. But I have also personally witnessed them beating a kid down, after tasing him until he wet himself, then drag him off to jail for a non moving violation, he just did not want to get out of his car and was well within his rights.
The problem is they see themselves as quasi militarist storm troopers who get to curb stomp you for not complying, or disrespecting them. In other developed counties, where police carry no fire arms, they do not have the same problems because thy treat the citizenry with respect, and not contempt. There is a trust that has been built for this to work, one that has long since eroded in this country.
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Such a tired trope. Network media is not out to stick it
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:22 PM
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conservative people. Rush repeated a million times.
Dude commits traffic violation, doesn’t stop for cops. When he finally stops, he’s arrested for running from the cops and fined for his traffic violation. There’s no story there that gets reported.
Now when the guy surrenders, hands up, unarmed and they loose the dog to go maul him…that’s the only story in the scenario. Police F’d up, that’s the story. Bad police work, pure and simple. Should we pitch fits, protest with stupid ACAB signs? No. Let the PD punish the guy, may be even fire him…his superiors’ decision not mine.
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I am guessing there is a 99.9% chance this guy is still
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:27 PM
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working in a few months, and the suit against him gets bounced from Qualified Immunity.
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Maybe a small settlement out of court from the PD.***
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:46 PM
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I think you mean "taxpayers."***
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Re: An example of slanted reporting to fit a political agenda.
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2 things need to happen. Cop needs to be fired. Truck driver needs to be in jail. He is driving a tractor trailer and could have killed somebody.
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Exactly.***
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Jul 24, 2023, 2:09 PM
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#### THE POLICE***
Jul 24, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Re: #### THE POLICE***
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Jul 24, 2023, 3:54 PM
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Only democrats and criminals say that. Please excuse my redundancy.
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ONLY BOOTLICKERS DON'T SAY THAT***
Jul 24, 2023, 3:54 PM
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Re: An example of slanted reporting to fit a political agenda.
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It's not really slanted reporting. It is leftists being leftists. They want to portray the current culture in the USA as chitty. That way, all the sheep are convinced we need to do away with the entirety of what used to be the USA and support the 'Fundamental Transformation.'
There's not one single cabal leader behind the curtain running all of this, but the people in power and able to affect the left's agenda know what to do.
The left media, in general, has no interest in balanced or even true reporting. The leftists have told us themselves that truth doesn't matter.
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boooohoo, cry somemore, victim***
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Jul 24, 2023, 4:10 PM
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Help me I'm white!!!!!***
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Ditto for you
Jul 24, 2023, 4:25 PM
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white has nothing to do with it.
You people are idiot socialists plain and simple. You've been duped and you are too stupid to know it.
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Re: wut? Do you randomly pick a response?
Jul 24, 2023, 7:10 PM
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victimhood has everything to do with most all of your comments.
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Geez, you don't really need that many words to sum up your
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Jul 24, 2023, 4:43 PM
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argument. Here, let me help:
"Police should be allowed to unleash K-9s on unarmed black people with their hands in the air like the good old days, and leftists are trying to change that."
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Don't put words in his mouth! He never said that!
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Jul 24, 2023, 5:05 PM
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He wants to, he's just too much of a coward to actually do it because he feels like THAT's the point when he'll have sacrificed the moral high ground.
Not that that's stopped him before. Dude is a legit KKK member.
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He made the mistake of slipping up and saying
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Jul 24, 2023, 5:17 PM
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diversity has caused the deaths of millions of people, and quickly went back to just cracking the closet rather than throwing it wide open.
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Try this:
Jul 24, 2023, 5:15 PM
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copy this exact response to me, and use it to reply to NC_Tiger. You can change the "why is it about black people" to "why is it about leftist media".
But, for some odd, inexplicable reason, you're drawn to MY post, and not NC_Tiger's. Weird.
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Spot on.***
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Jul 24, 2023, 5:37 PM
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First time reading NC_Tiger posts, huh?***
Jul 24, 2023, 5:47 PM
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Song is a criticism of the current culture of the country...
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i.e. portraying current culture as "chitty."
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The dog needs to go to jail.***
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Lawd
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Jul 24, 2023, 8:13 PM
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There’s no political slant here. What details got left out that indicate a news agency is forcing politics? Story says an officer even warned his fellow cop to not release the dog. Dude released it anyway.
Guy was an idiot but he complied. The cop ###### up. It doesn’t involve politics.
Cue rage response.
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Yep, reaction is more indication of reader bias than media's***
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Your reaction confirms my statement.***
Jul 24, 2023, 8:27 PM
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Too much profanity***
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Like I said, the cop who released the dog on the guy was
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certainly wrong and should be held accountable. It looks like he will be. What he did was wrong and totally unnecessary. Absolutely no excuses. We absolutely must expect better from our police.
I'm just pointing out that what the truck driver did was just as bad. He literally broke the law, and in doing so endangered many other people. People fleeing from the police in such a manner is a major problem. Thankfully he has been charged and will face some consequences.
Both parties here were wrong. Better should be expected from both, and both are being held accountable. That's not the story, however. The story, the way it is being told, focuses on the wrong actions of the police officer with the dog. All articles I've seen discribe the illegal actions of the truck driver, but the headlines and the main gist focuses on the wrongness of the cop, and the victimhood of the truck driver. Some outlets are using this to highlight what they are portraying as a bigger problem with police overall.
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Re: Like I said, the cop who released the dog on the guy was
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That's not the story, however. The story, the way it is being told, focuses on the wrong actions of the police officer with the dog. All articles I've seen discribe the illegal actions of the truck driver, but the headlines and the main gist focuses on the wrongness of the cop, and the victimhood of the truck driver. Some outlets are using this to highlight what they are portraying as a bigger problem with police overall.
Because that's what ####### happened! As someone else already mentioned, if it had just been a chase, this maybe makes a brief on the news. But now the officer did something stupid, so it's a bigger story.
The article you linked details all the truck driver did. What's the problem? This is basic crime reporting. There's no political bias. Your bias is fabricating that.
We expect a moron to run from police. That's not much of a story. We don't expect police to turn dogs on helpless suspects. That's a story when they do.
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So they interviewed an official about it
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That's not unusual.
Smiling's original post is still absurd and pretty dismissive of the cop's actions while presenting a dubious claim of media political bias.
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