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TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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And thats why we're losing ground
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Nov 18, 2025, 12:42 PM
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Other top schools churn the bottom third of their lineup we do not. You can argue all day about whether thats the right way to treat players, but you cannot argue that it's not a competitive advantage that others have over us.
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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DO YOU GOOBERS EVER THINK THAT WHAT DABO SAYS IS TRUE. HE CAN ALSO LET KIDS KNOW IF THEY WANT TO PLAY, IT WILL NOT BE AT CLEMSON. THERE ARE 105 SCHOLARSHIPS AVAILABLE FOR GODS SAKE. DO YALL NEVER EVER THINK ABOUT USING THAT GHOURD ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
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You ever thought about NOT using caps lock
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Nov 18, 2025, 3:00 PM
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Read Dabos comments again and then ask someone to explain them to you
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Re: You ever thought about NOT using caps lock
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Nov 18, 2025, 3:14 PM
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UH NO. I LISTENED TO DABO SAY IT. DID NOT NEED TO REED IT.
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Re: You ever thought about NOT using caps lock
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Nov 18, 2025, 9:49 PM
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Read Dabos comments again and then ask someone to explain them to you
Right. So tired of his pressers don't listen. Just read article. Is there something in his contract about graduating players or does he get paid to win football games. It's great to graduate players but he's doing that at a higher level than what he's getting paid for.
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Nov 19, 2025, 4:04 AM
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DO YOU GOOBERS EVER THINK THAT WHAT DABO SAYS IS TRUE. HE CAN ALSO LET KIDS KNOW IF THEY WANT TO PLAY, IT WILL NOT BE AT CLEMSON. THERE ARE 105 SCHOLARSHIPS AVAILABLE FOR GODS SAKE. DO YALL NEVER EVER THINK ABOUT USING THAT GHOURD ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
TELL "EM" CAP-ON!
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Nov 18, 2025, 12:54 PM
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If we are supposed to be preparing these young men for the real world, they need to understand the realities of a meritocracy. No one is going to hold their hand when they leave the orange bubble.
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Nov 18, 2025, 6:59 PM
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That is not why we are losing ground. Kicking the low performers off the team? They usually quit!
Bad coaching (OC), previous (DC), and lack of motivation. The talent is on the team and on the field.
We will not get 5 Stars like we used to, because we are not competitive bidding on them!!
Big schools like Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, etc.... have a lot more money to waste on 5 Star busts!
We are competitive with NIL, and Dabo is looking for some Portal prospects now.
Clemson cannot afford to waste money like some of these schools (Texas A&M, Penn State...)
We will have to build with solid 4 Stars and occasional 5 Star prospects.
But, we can put the best coaches on Dabo's staff, which has gone downhill since 2019....
Go Tigers, beat Furman and the coots!!
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I don't know when the last time we had a 5*
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Nov 18, 2025, 8:59 PM
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who came in and was a dominant player right away. Bresee never really produced. He was supposed to be a big deal. There have been some others. I forget. Guys like Trevor, Wilkins, and Dexter Lawrence were real difference makers right away. We aren't getting guys like that anymore.
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Re: I don't know when the last time we had a 5*
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Precisely. Visit 24/7 Sports to review the Tigers' all-time recruits. Numerous players from recent years, who failed to progress or develop as anticipated, are included, not to mention the complete busts. There is a significant presence of Defensive Ends in that group.
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Its a common phrase coined by the NFL its not literal
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Nov 18, 2025, 2:58 PM
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It describes how NFL GMs seek to manage their rosters in the off-season. They analyze the bottom portion of their rosters to look for ways to get better.
It's not literal Just like how:
No one who has touched the rock has ever given 110%
There is no ends of the world to walk to
The sky is never really the limit
Can you point out to me someone in the top 10 who has never sent a player who can't play packing?
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So youre flipping from *a third* to
Nov 18, 2025, 3:58 PM
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“There are some top 10 teams who have cut a player”.
So 33% to “sending a player packing”.
Ok fair enough you exaggerated, big time.
I’m also curious if you can show the players who have been “culled”. I assume you can list dozens at least.
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Im not flipping anything chief if youre not smart enough to understand what an
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Nov 18, 2025, 4:36 PM
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idiom is then that’s on your former teachers.
EVERY P5 team except Clemson has sent players who can’t perform at this level elsewhere. I assumed Clemson had pushed guys to the portal as well, but based on Dabo’s comments today we have not
If you’re looking for names knock yourself out. When you see a guy moving from an SEC or B1G school to a G5 school BINGO!
https://247sports.com/season/2024-football/transferteamrankings/
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Re: Its a common phrase coined by the NFL its not literal
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And some of us love college football. We’re glad our college team is still a college team.
If I wanted a NFL team with a tiger paw on the side of the helmet, I would’ve asked for it.
Some of you lemmings jumped right off the cliff when everyone else did.
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Go pull for another team, then, that accommodates your pov👍👋
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Sure is a lot of butthurt on this thread
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Are you trying to say other team's DON'T use it to their advantage?
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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We know you’re easily butt hurt, champ. Go stick your head back in your rear while the adults talk, ok sport? You’re another one who is emotionally immature on here.
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Nov 18, 2025, 2:59 PM
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How has that changed?
SEC teams have always run off 1/3rd of their roster.
Remember all the years we took 12 recruits while Georgia was taking 30 every year?
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Its a whole lot easier now to run off players with the portal; the famous Saban
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Medical retirement is barely even a thing anymore. Rick Neuhesal used to say it aint the players you dont get that kill you its the ones you do who can't play. That's not a problem anymore for any but us.
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Re: I thought it was because we hired friends and family?***
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Well, that too FM ..
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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I, for one, am glad that Dabo wants to see these kids graduate and to be able to do something beyond the football field. Every good player is not gonna make it in the NFL and needs to know how to survive. It wasn't too long ago that when someone fizzled out of the NFL or left school early and didn't get drafted, that we would question what would they do with their life now that they left school. Dabo wants to ensure they have every option available and as parents you should be happy to have a coach that would care about his players....your children and their ability to make it after athletics. If you don't like that, then make sure your child goes to a school where they don't care about education and when he or she can't make the starting roster and gets cut, don't cry and say the coach was wrong. That's what you asked for.
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Doesn't matter what you or I think is right
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Nov 18, 2025, 5:50 PM
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It's a fact that other top schools are using the portal to ship off guys who were incorrectly evaluated as HS recruits. If Dabo isn't doing that then we have a competitive disadvantage that he'll need to figure out how to mitigate.
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Exactly. And he isnt worth close to $11 million per year if he does that.***
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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I disagree with Dabo on a lot, but for this he is dead on. The one caveat would be walk on players if the still exist. When Dabo gives a walk on a scholarship because we didn't fill every spot, that young man should be told that scholarship is a bonus for his hard work but not a permanent thing. If scholarships are being expanded to 105 and walk ons cut out, then anyone given a scholarship just to fill the quota should be told that it is temporary. If the young man knows this up front, then I think they would be grateful, and if not they can just say no thanks.
One reason that we have less kids leave is that Dabo's loyalty is reciprocated. If we are not limiting ourselves for several years when we pass out unused scholarships, then we won't lose anything in the long run by standing by a few players who are injured or don't pan out.
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Re: And thats why we're losing ground
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Nov 18, 2025, 9:47 PM
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Having less kids leave is not an advantage if they aren’t contributing. In fact, it is setting you back.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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Admirable.
I just don't believe we can win a national title with this mentality.
But we can compete in the ACC. So perhaps it's best we stay in this conference.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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He has two doing exactly this. Several other trips to the playoffs, including last year.
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Like Saban said a few weeks ago
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The game has changed, and Dabo will have to change with it. Pointing out what he accomplished under the old rules doesn't mean he can continue his ways and not fall behind.
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Re: Like Saban said a few weeks ago
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It would seem as these players come in from high school, we develop them (??), and then they get a big or bigger NIL deal and transfer…..would that not lower graduation rates? So as nice as it sounds that Dabo says until graduation we do us part, there is no commitment toward graduation by the better players. And as time goes on that will get worse and worse.
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Re: Like Saban said a few weeks ago
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Clemson rarely loses impactful players. Andrew Mukuba and Beaux Collins are really the only 2 guys.
Dabo is really good at retaining players. But that also means we have more than a dozen players on the roster that will be on scholarship for 3-5 years without ever contributing in a meaningful way.
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Re: Like Saban said a few weeks ago
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also, mukuba wanted to go home to texas, he is from austin area, IIRC
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Re: Like Saban said a few weeks ago
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Mukuba told everyone publicly why he left... he said he wasn't getting developed at Clemson. Which is a massive issue if we aren't portaling and aren't cutting.
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Comments.....
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Pride playing well at MIZZ.
Its admirable, but when you combine paying kids $400K who hardly contribute and wont pay going rate for HS 5 stars....then thats an issue. We are losing ground to UGA, OSU, etc...... I know some are OK with that---not me. The level of $$$, staffing and infrastructure support isn't where it is to have these results. What others aren't talking abt is this is very poor timing with conference expansion
But the thing is this: If we had lost Friday night, no way he would be making this statement. He knows changes need to be made, but these wins make him think he should stick with his ideas. The NC teams wouldve blown that LOU team out.
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Re: Comments.....
Nov 18, 2025, 6:11 PM
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Did I miss him saying that players that weren't producing should continue to receive the same NIL money?
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
Nov 18, 2025, 1:27 PM
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so, we were not in the playoffs last year?
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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Yes. So was Boise State and SMU.
Neither of us had legit shots at winning a national title.
Clemson got in because we only played 3 good teams during the regular season. We beat 9 bad teams to make the ACCCG. Then had a miracle kick return and field goal to beat SMU and punch our ticket in. But we finished 1-4 against good teams last year. I'm not going to pretend that Clemson was in a position to win a national title last year.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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Well then maybe you should just go on down to GamecockCentral and post about your team there?! HOW DOES THAT SOUND?!
Swinney 2028
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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It sounds like ur a sissy.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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You watch your mouth you communist punk, if you know what’s good for ya.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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They call me The Rad Russian.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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I’m gonna call you worm food if you keep it up youngin.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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Keyboard tough guy alert!!
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Then stop offering guys who arent capable of helping
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Competing at the highest level. If that means we have to roll with 65 until the next cycle then so be it. Stop tying yourself to guys for 4 years that can’t help you compete nationally if you aren’t going to be able to part ways with them. Get some better talent evaluators, assistants.
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Re: Then stop offering guys who arent capable of helping
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I think that you are somewhat in line with my thoughts though I may think that there should be fewer "open" spots. I agree with Dabo in principle but when something happens and we are giving a young man a scholarship to fill a spot it shouldn't be a permanent thing. If it is a use it or lose it situation that should not be treated the same way as our primary recruits. If Dabo was to let certain young men know that they would be competing to keep the scholarship ahead of time, how could they hold it against him.
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Good. Graduation should be a priority in "college" football***
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Re: Good. Graduation should be a priority in "college" football***
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Yep. Dabo should forfeit his salary and offer it for scholarships then.
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Re: Good. Graduation should be a priority in "college" football***
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You should too. Since you like telling people what to do with their money.
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I agree with that IF the player is holding up their end
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of the bargain and not just taking up space.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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I’m glad Dabo, his “Clemson Family” staff, and his players that never have to be worried about getting cut, can all rest easy, and collect their million dollar paychecks. Who needs championships gosh darn it when you can make quality men who are all heart and no quit? If you think otherwise, you’re a hater and a coot!!!
#championsoflife
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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I seem to remember Chad Kelly, Derion Kendrick. Fred what’s his name that crashed into the mail truck along with his partner Malcom Greene all getting “cut” from Clemson. Don’t act like Dabo doesn’t mean what he says about players holding up their end of the bargain.
Just because Dabo said we will keep them on scholarship doesn’t mean they will stay. If a player makes zero NIL money being a true stringer here, how do you know they won’t leave on their own to make some money on another team. I expect at least two running backs to leave after this year in addition to Randall graduating.
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I have said that handling players in this new landscape would be...
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Dabo's biggest challenge, and it would appear I was correct.
Or more precisely, he's chosen to not engage with the new reality as it exists as regards roster management.
Disappointing, but not particularly surprising.
I'm not particularly hopeful that he's capable of making the changes necessary to bring us back to an elite program, if this really reflects his mindset, no matter what he does this offseason re: coaching staff changes.
That's too bad.
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Well there goes my hope that he gets it.***
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Doesn't surprise me at all that he would not pull a Deon or Belichick and run off DOZENS of players. HOWEVER it DOES sound like he may actually bring in some new folks and that's a good thing in not getting folks too comfortable in their jobs! That is a huge step for us if true!
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Nov 18, 2025, 3:12 PM
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My guess is he’ll pull the NIL money from the players who aren’t measuring up, and still require them to meet all the player responsibilities in terms of practice, working out etc. Those players will leave on their own.
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Nov 18, 2025, 4:03 PM
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Nothing wrong with that.
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Uhm IF A Scholarship Player Does Not Measure Up...Isn't That What The Transfer Portal "IS" About🤔
I'm Good With That Process... But I And A Lot Of TigerNation R Not Good With Paying A Yet To Graduate QB $3M/Year Who Has Lost 12 Total Games...3 Opening Day Losses...And Way Too Many Losses In A 3 Year Span In...
The Valley👎👎👎
I Am NOT Seeing What's Gonna Be Different From The Last 3 Seasons Going Forward🤔
I 🙏 I'm Wrong..But I Don't Think I Am🌞
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
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Nov 18, 2025, 4:02 PM
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Competitive disadvantage or not - the day Clemson starts actively cutting scholarships of a player who shows up on time every day, lifts weights and works out as asked, gives 100%, etc. is the day I hang up my orange. Being honest with a guy (i.e. "Jimmy, you ain't likely to ever see the field here") is ok, but forcing him out if he wants to stay and give 100% just don't sit right with me.
Call me what you will. I'll call Dabo's stance integrity and class.
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Nov 18, 2025, 4:07 PM
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He would never make it as a manager in the real world.
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Nov 18, 2025, 4:18 PM
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Good thing he is coaching college football then. Couldn’t get much farther from the real world.
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Nov 18, 2025, 4:46 PM
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I guess this is a way of telling Clemson fans that 9-3, 8-4, 7-5 seasons will be the norm. Once in a while an 11-1 season may take place. Gone are the days of seeing a run like Clemson had from 2015-2021.
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I admire this. It's doing things the right way in a time where that is
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Nov 18, 2025, 5:08 PM
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increasingly rare.
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This is sort of like government programs like free housing for all.
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Nov 18, 2025, 8:46 PM
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It sounds nice and empathetic on paper, but in reality it isn’t feasible - and it comes at a huge cost to others.
Scholarships are one year contracts. Players are free to go somewhere after a year, and schools are too. It’s bad business for us to view them as four year contracts from our perspective, especially since players don’t view them the same way.
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Two wrongs don't make a right, JK.
Nov 19, 2025, 7:00 AM
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First off, Dabo doesn't sign players for a season; He signs them for life. That's the commitment he makes to them and the commitment they make to Clemson. It's called justice. A man keeps his promise even when others don't.
You'd be a lot happier if you chose a team to back which had a head coach as equally morally corrupt as are you. Face the fact that Dabo is not going to be less than he is to please the likes of those who throw ethics out the window and lie to recruits.
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Re: TNET: Till graduation do we part: Swinney responds on whether he would cut players
Nov 18, 2025, 8:49 PM
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They’re plenty of ways to cut a player without “cutting” him. When you start telling him that he’s probably not gonna start here and there’s some D2 schools that you will undoubtedly start at and have significant playing time. That’s cutting him with extra sugar and a cherry on top as you go out the door crying but eating your ice cream!
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