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After FSu beats Miami, they better jump Oregon.
Oct 31, 2013, 9:18 AM
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Agreed?
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Re: After FSu beats Miami, they better jump Oregon.
Oct 31, 2013, 9:23 AM
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They will, and then Oregon will jump FSU when they beat Stanford next Thursday.
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The pollsters are ####-bent on a Oregon-Bama NC.
Oct 31, 2013, 9:25 AM
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I bet it doesn't happen.
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I have said all year those are the two best teams
Oct 31, 2013, 9:34 AM
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But now FSU is making me wonder...too bad there isn't a playoff this year.
Oregon 59 Tennessee 14
Bama 45 Tennessee 10
Very similar, would be a very good match-up between Bama and Oregon. We will see how FSU does the rest of the year.
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Oregon will play Bama for the MNC if they both stay
Oct 31, 2013, 9:25 AM
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undefeated. It's the match up the media has wanted for years, and therefore they will make it happen.
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Which media members will make it happen?***
Oct 31, 2013, 9:39 AM
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Are you implying that the media doesn't influence
Oct 31, 2013, 1:30 PM
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any of the polls that make up the BCS rankings?
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He was basically calling you a moran. Go Tigers!***
Oct 31, 2013, 1:44 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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bama has the least attractive resume thus far...of the 3
Oct 31, 2013, 9:27 AM
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crazy how they're the "automatic #1" no matter what
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A wise man once said:
Oct 31, 2013, 9:31 AM
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TO BE THE MAN - YOU GOT TO BEAT THE MAN!!!
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Re: There really isnt a reason for them not to be #1.***
Oct 31, 2013, 9:47 AM
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There's plenty of reason, they haven't beaten anyone and they play a crappy schedule....their opponents are a combined 29-34 as opposed to 32-21 for FSU. that will go up even more after this weekend.
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Game Changer [2053]
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I still believe Bama will beat whoever they play...
Oct 31, 2013, 2:11 PM
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the rest of the year. They havent played anyone but they've hammered everyone. FSU has essentially done the same (Oregon too I guess), but its hard to bet against that tea mand Nick Saban with that month off.
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based off history you're correct, but THIS year.........
Oct 31, 2013, 9:55 AM
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why is FSU & Oregon fighting for #2 when after saturday will both have a better resume than bama................that being said after LSU and auburn and the SECCG they'd have an argument, but as of now they don't
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I wouldn't put too much stock into this year's SECCG.
Oct 31, 2013, 9:59 AM
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Because whomever wins the East sucks anyway. There's a reason SCAR still has a shot of winning it. If UGA would've stayed healthy, they would be the clear-cut favorites to win it and would actually give Bama a good game.
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the SEC east winner will be top 15, possibly top 10......
Oct 31, 2013, 10:03 AM
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and i don't think alabama is an "impossible" team to beat this year
the East winner will give them a game
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I agree with the statement about Bama, but they would win
Oct 31, 2013, 10:07 AM
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by double-digits over a SCAR, Florida or Mizzou, imo.
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not even considering UF they can't score against grass***
Oct 31, 2013, 10:09 AM
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Agreed. The East sucks!***
Oct 31, 2013, 10:11 AM
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not necessarily...
Oct 31, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Let's say South Carolina wins their conference games but loses to Clemson. They'd have 3 losses, and they'd be out of the top 15, but they'd be in the SECC. The only way UGa gets into the SECC is winning out, and in that case, I think they'd be in the top 15 with consecutive wins over UF, Auburn and GT. Missouri could lose to A&M and still get into the SECC, but they'd probably be right on the cusp of the top 15 because A&M is their last game.
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I heard a guy on Bill King's XM show earlier this week say
Oct 31, 2013, 11:07 AM
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(I can't remember who the guest was) "Bama is still my number 1. They haven't done anything to lose their ranking yet."
That's indicative of why college football is broken (and may not be fixed until we get a legit 8-team playoff)--your ranking shouldn't be based on "not doing anything to lose a spot" but what you've done to EARN that spot this year.
I think FSU and Oregon are the only two teams who've done anything to earn a one or two spot this year and sadly one of them will be left out because Bama is Bama and hasn't "lost" their spot.
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Re: I heard a guy on Bill King's XM show earlier this week say
Oct 31, 2013, 11:13 AM
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very well said. sure agree...that spot should EARNED but with the mentality that SEC gets everything that poor judgement will continue
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Yep, unfortunate that they can't be unseated
Oct 31, 2013, 12:23 PM
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But the voters just aren't going to move them until they lose. FSU and Oregon look like the better teams thus far this year, and I would rather see them play than Oregon and Alabama.
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No.***
Oct 31, 2013, 9:37 AM
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Why? Explain yourself....***
Oct 31, 2013, 9:39 AM
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I don't know which team is better...
Oct 31, 2013, 9:41 AM
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(I lean toward Oregon), but I think it's close enough so that I wouldn't say "they better jump Oregon".
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I say that because Oregon jumped FSU after they BOTH
Oct 31, 2013, 9:44 AM
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won. So, beating a top team justifies them jumping Oregon, imo.
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I don't think it would be wrong if they did jump Oregon
Oct 31, 2013, 9:45 AM
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But I also don't think it would be wrong if they didn't. It doesn't really matter...if they both go undefeated, Oregon's resume will pass that of FSU, because of the ACC's lack of depth. If Alabama loses a game, it definitely won't matter, cause they'll play each other.
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Re: I don't think it would be wrong if they did jump Oregon
Oct 31, 2013, 9:48 AM
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FSU will have beaten Clemson, Miami, Florida, Miami....who will Oregon have beaten? Stanford and UCLA? That's it....
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Arizona, Washington, Oregon St., Utah
Oct 31, 2013, 9:50 AM
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The 4th best team on FSU's schedule (Pitt? Maryland?) would be the 7th or 8th best team on Oregon's schedule.
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Re: Arizona, Washington, Oregon St., Utah
Oct 31, 2013, 10:02 AM
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Arizona, washington and utah? You can't be serious. Or. St. lost to a dang FCS team....
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Washington's good, Utah and Arizona not so much***
Oct 31, 2013, 12:28 PM
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#16 Washington. But I agree with you...
Oct 31, 2013, 9:54 AM
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FSU wins - #3 #7 #25
Oregon wins - #5 #12 #16
And Oregons #5 win being to a won loss Stanford.
FSU all three wins were undefeated...
Really don't get the reason or math behind it. And people talk about media preference? They're waiting for FSU to slip up... But it the don't, are you kidding me? Historical kings of the ACC and SEC matched up for the NC? Two eras of dynasty football collide? How do you pass that up....
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You know each team will have more than 3 wins, right?
Oct 31, 2013, 9:58 AM
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Each will have 12. Why are you only talking about three wins for each team? What about the other 9?
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Yea #######, but as of today they're he only 3 ranked
Oct 31, 2013, 10:02 AM
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We have to go on... Not to mention the wins over non ranked opps were blowouts on both sides...
Sorry, but the computers don't have a category for "coot perceived strength of schedule"
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So you think only games against ranked teams should
Oct 31, 2013, 10:03 AM
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count?
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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I think it's a wash with no ranked opps
Oct 31, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Because they all got blown out.
And of the 3 UNDEFEATED ranked teams FSU shutout out 1 and had a larger margin of victory on both. The next two weeks will tell us a lot.
Oregon will have to beat the brakes off 1 loss Stanford and FSU will have to struggle with Miami. I don't see either of those happening. FSU jumps and stays.
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Are you joking?
Oct 31, 2013, 9:56 AM
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The PAC-12 is arguably deeper than even the SEC.
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You obviously think more of....
Oct 31, 2013, 10:00 AM
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teams like Oregon State, Washington, Southern Cal and Arizona than I do.
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Re: You obviously think more of....
Oct 31, 2013, 10:03 AM
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Re: Just about every measure has the PAC-12 above the ACC
Oct 31, 2013, 10:36 AM
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but based on what exactly?
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Mainly, wins and losses.
Oct 31, 2013, 10:59 AM
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Check the OOC records. PAC-12 is 30-6 (21-5 vs. FBS)...ACC is 34-11 (21-11 vs. FBS). The ACC's OOC record vs. FBS schools lags behind all the other major conferences (PAC-12, SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten). The ACC has played a tougher OOC slate overall than the others, but they had some bad losses in there.
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Re: Mainly, wins and losses.
Oct 31, 2013, 12:04 PM
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and had some good wins...whats the record vs SEC? for each?
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ACC is 2-2 vs. SEC, PAC-12 is 1-1.
Oct 31, 2013, 12:11 PM
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It should be noted that the ACC lost both head-to-head matchups with the PAC-12.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Best team vs. one of the worst teams yes...***
Oct 31, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Who is the sixth best team in the ACC?
Oct 31, 2013, 10:02 AM
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Pitt? By comparison, the PAC-12's sixth best team is either Washington, Oregon St. or Arizona.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Actually it's duke
Oct 31, 2013, 10:08 AM
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ACC has more teams in the top 6 with 3+ conferences wins than the PAC 12.
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Conference wins aren't really a good measure...
Oct 31, 2013, 10:52 AM
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To compare conferences, we should be looking at out-of-conference games. The PAC-12 dominated their OOC slate.
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Re: Who is the sixth best team in the ACC?
Oct 31, 2013, 10:14 AM
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ACC has two undefeateds and a 1 loss....Pac has one undefeated and one 1 loss team..
Oregon 8-0 FSU 7-0
Stanford 7-1 Miami 7-0
Oregon St. 6-2 Clemson 7-1
UCLA 5-2 VT 6-2
Arizona St. 5-2 GT 5-3
Arizona 5-2 Maryland 5-3/Duke 5-2
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Don't confuse him with the facts.***
Oct 31, 2013, 10:16 AM
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I think the question then becomes....
Oct 31, 2013, 10:21 AM
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how would Miami fare against Stanford?
How would Oregon State do against Clemson?
How would UCLA do against Virginia Tech?
Could Gerogia Tech play with Arizona State?
Could Maryland or Duke beat Arizona?
I think he is implying that the mid to lower level teams in the Pac 12 are better their counterparts in the ACC.
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I see 1 sure ACC win
Oct 31, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Clemson over Oregon St.
Stanford would beat Miami and UCLA would take VT.
GT/ASU would be a good game. I'd give the lean to ASU. But at least we know that the GT nerds wouldn't be distracted by the ASU chicks.
Arizona probably beats either Md or Duke. But it would be a close line.
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The ACC is very good 1 through 4.
Oct 31, 2013, 10:42 AM
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Perhaps best in the country. 5-10, they are not good. If you matched the 5-10 teams in the PAC-12 up against the corresponding ACC teams, 7-10 point favorites, or better, to me.
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Sorry, I messed up that last sentence.
Oct 31, 2013, 10:43 AM
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Those PAC-12 teams would be 7-10 point favorites over corresponding ACC teams, or more.
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And the original focus was on FSU and their schedule
Oct 31, 2013, 11:04 AM
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Keep in mind that they don't have VT, GT, or Duke. That's three of the better "mid-tier" teams in the conference. So their particular schedule is even worse than an overall generalization of the ACC.
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And I think FSU pummels Miami...it will not just be...
Oct 31, 2013, 10:04 AM
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...FSU's typical curb stomping.
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It won't matter because even if they did it would be short
Oct 31, 2013, 10:09 AM
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lived because Oregon plays Stanford and another top 25 still, and Oregons conf title game will likely be against a better team then FSU as the coastal is garbage.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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They probably will
Oct 31, 2013, 10:18 AM
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but heading down the homestretch Oregon has Stanford, probably a ranked Oregon State and then likely UCLA.
Thats better than FSU. If they are both undefeated, Oregon will be higher than FSU.
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I still wonder why neither has jumped Alabama. I like Bama
Oct 31, 2013, 10:22 AM
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and I think that they're good. #### good. Better than most teams. Bt overall, I don't see why they're #1. Based strictly on performance thus far, FSU and Oregon are #1 and #2
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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If rankings didn't come out until week 8
Oct 31, 2013, 10:25 AM
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Bama is a distant 3rd.
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I don't know if that's true. I would love to see it, though
Oct 31, 2013, 11:07 AM
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It'd be really interesting to see if that would really work that way.
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Re: I still wonder why neither has jumped Alabama. I like Bama
Oct 31, 2013, 10:26 AM
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I don't think Miami is a top 10 team. I am not sure they are a top 20 team. they look good some times and horrible other times(nc and wake).
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They will but Oregon will jump them back if they beat
Oct 31, 2013, 10:32 AM
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maybe, but the week FSU plays IDAHO, they drop back down
Oct 31, 2013, 11:18 AM
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Problem is...
Oct 31, 2013, 12:20 PM
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PAC 12 does not play any acc/sec teams out of conference. At least quality ones. Oregon played Tennessee and UVA. Both combined for one conference win. I think fsu would beat Oregon and I think Clemson would beat Stanford. Not buying the Arizonas, washingtons, or LA schools. Def not buying Utah. One of pac12's top 25 teams lost to eastern Washington.
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Bama's "big" OOC win was VT to open the season. I guess
Oct 31, 2013, 3:28 PM
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