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Game Changer [1982]
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I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 7, 2025, 6:05 PM
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If so how are things going for you?
I was on a call this morning with a client, who's family owns/operates several farms in the SW. Their farms grow everything from Bramble Berries (just learnt that term today) to leafy greens of all sorts, citrus, cherries, plums, melons and more. He says the family is going into panic mode, coz their workers have not shown up for work. the workers are afraid of raids and deportations... so the harvest is NOT getting harvested. And no they can't find American workers to do it. He says the other farmers are scheduling a meeting to talk strategery, but its looking like they are gonna take a big financial hit, while crops rot in the fields, and of course we all will take the hit when theres less produce making it to market, making it less available and more expensive
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Paw Master [17530]
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Heard that some villages in Africa offered to sell them some help.***
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Mar 7, 2025, 6:29 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11719]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 7, 2025, 7:33 PM
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There are tens of thousands of federal government and NGO workers that are soon to become available.
Whether or not they are smart enough to pick fruit, in the other hand, is in question.
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Game Changer [1982]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 7, 2025, 7:57 PM
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Its interesting that you MAGA clowns think it’s cute that your Messiah trumpo the orange clown and his policies are ruining the economy and people’s livelihoods…
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Clemson Icon [27845]
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If their livelihoods were based on fake work graft and corruption, so be it.***
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Mar 7, 2025, 9:44 PM
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 2:50 AM
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RtD is clearly worthless to this planet. As an ignorant moron, do you understand that you will never qualify for any of the jobs you so delight in people losing? After Trump is gone in a year or two, we’ll need to rehire competent people. You aren’t one of them, DA.
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Clemson Icon [27845]
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So what do you do...?***
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Mar 8, 2025, 9:34 AM
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Top TigerNet [30856]
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What fruit / vegetable gets ripe in early March ?
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Mar 7, 2025, 9:03 PM
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I'm guessing you're full of it.
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Orange Phenom [14691]
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Google is hard
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Mar 7, 2025, 9:25 PM
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AI Overview
In March, you can expect to harvest some winter-hardy vegetables and herbs in the Southwest, including leafy greens like spinach, Swiss chard, and collard greens, as well as green beans, broccoli, radishes, and mushrooms.
Here's a more detailed look at what you might harvest in March in the Southwest:
Vegetables:
Leafy Greens: Spinach, Swiss chard, and collard greens can be harvested as the weather gets milder.
Other Vegetables: Green beans, broccoli, radishes, and mushrooms are also fresh and available at this time.
Fruits:
While not a primary harvest month, you might find some early-season fruits like strawberries, mangoes, and kiwi.
Herbs:
Mint, thyme, and lemongrass are popular herbs to plant and harvest in the Southwest.
Parsley and cilantro can be planted for an early harvest before temperatures get too warm.
Planning for Future Harvest:
Begin planning for cool-season edibles like melons, cucumbers, peppers, and sweet potatoes.
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Game Changer [1982]
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Re: Google is hard
Mar 7, 2025, 9:54 PM
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#### I was about to suggest google.
I know it’s hard for some to get your head around, but some sort of produce grown YEAR ROUND
So who’s full of it now?
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Clemson Conqueror [11719]
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Immigration policy enforcement helps America more than it hurts
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Mar 7, 2025, 9:39 PM
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(Sorry for the previous snarky response)
Although it is always tough on those who end up getting hurt.
With respect to the specialty agro industry (many types of fruits and veggies), illegal immigrant labor created a distortion to the American economy that, under the Trump policies, will unwind many of those distortions. There are unavoidable consequences to that part of the agro industry that relied on artificially low costs.
It’s somewhat similar to how America’s cotton growers had undergone great stress after the end of slave labor.
The real answer is innovation I.e., development of equipment that picks the specialty fruits and vegetables. As long as artificially low wages / labor conditions of dubious legality remained pervasive in this industry, there was no economic incentive for machinery / vehicular manufacturers to expend capital to invent equipment that could replace the majority of manual labor.
As soon as the American equipment manufacturers believe in the permance of Trump’s immigration reform policies, then innovative equipment (beyond the capabilities which most people could imagine) will start becoming available.
Until that time comes, the specialty agro industry will survive by making radical adjustments to their labor practices. It will be very rough.
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1898057673494417516
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Game Changer [1982]
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Re: Immigration policy enforcement helps America more than it hurts
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Mar 7, 2025, 10:04 PM
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Thx for the more sensible message, and I somewhat agree with a need for innovation.
The bigger issue is dumb donald was voted in to save the economy correct? I don’t recall him being a champion of innovation and technology in farming. One would think this could be done in a better way …. Like say appointing more judges for guest worker programs, while said innovations catch up
This Willy Nilly absolute policies will indeed hurt MANY, including you and I. You seem fine with that though
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Clemson Conqueror [11719]
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Re: Immigration policy enforcement helps America more than it hurts
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Mar 8, 2025, 11:04 AM
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Theoretically, the remedy that you had proposed would work better.
Unfortunately, there are numerous special interests that, while less dependent on illegal labor than the specialty agro industry, are also prominent ‘magnets’ which are actually much more attractive to aspiring illegal aliens.
Meat packers: Ironically indeed that this industry, which currently uses ~ naturalized illegal labor that immigrated to America 2+ decades ago, had (as recently as last year) been replaced by new illegal labor. Tyson Foods, which closed an operation in one Midwestern state (staffed with higher priced / knowledgeable about US work condition laws) was closed and a separate new operation that processed the same type of meat was opened in different Midwestern state … which was staffing that plant with newly arrived illegal labor (e.g., lower priced / ignorant of laws designed to protect employees via a safe workplace environment).
Commercial bakeries: Many of these employ recently-arrived illegal labor. A Merita bakery not terribly far from where I live had a mass exodus of their (somewhat recently acquired) illegal labor force shortly after the Trump admin’s ’self-deport’ policy went into effect. (The ‘teeth’ of this policy being permanent consequences for returning to the USA, plus strictly enforced criminal penalties to any lingering illegal aliens that had been convicted of committing even non-violent crimes.). Workplace conditions in a commercial bakery are not so uncomfortable that native-born Americans wouldn’t eagerly take such jobs.
Vegetable / fruit packing houses. Illegal labor flourishes in these places. I know darn well that native-born Americans of all races will work in these places; back in HS, I was one of them. (I spent my post-primary school years through the end of HS in rural SC.). Yet, today, illegal labor dominates these workplaces.
Hotel and motel service workers. Illegal labor dominates these employment ranks of these places. The work is hard, but the workplace environment is not bad. Heck, out in the country where there are low densities of motels, native-born Americans are the predominant workers. However, in locales where there density of hotels & motels is high, illegal alien labor predominates.
I could go on and on with more examples.
Each of the above represent magnets to illegals immigrants. After 4 decades of big talk from politicians followed up by ineffectiveness in addressing the problem, the special interests (including those listed above) have become smart enough to ‘contribute’ aka bribe politicians into maintaining ineffective border controls. Trump has changed the paradigm by setting American labor policies to make, for the aspiring illegal laborers, the risk of being caught as not worth the benefits of coming to America.
Of course, the special interests hate this, because those distortions to the economy that benefitted them … at the expense of native-born American labor that, prior to Obama, was a bedrock constituent of the Democrat party … has been significantly reduced.
2025 is ‘come to Jesus’ time for those industries and special interests who thrived on illegal labor. It may be rough for a while, but corporate Darwinism will play out, after which those same goods and services which were plentiful prior to 2025 will again become plentiful again.
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Clemson Icon [27584]
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Re: Immigration policy enforcement helps America more than it hurts
Mar 8, 2025, 11:08 AM
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On the other hand, maybe those workers are needed.
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Dynasty Maker [3332]
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RTD has a point that needs to be repeated....
Mar 8, 2025, 4:53 PM
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He won't word exactly this way, but it's true nonetheless: The whole point of MAGA is to inflict pain. That's it. That's all it's good for.
Now, they'll dress it up with language about adjustments needing to be made or rough periods that need to be endured to get to some utopian "other side" that will never come. Because the Leopards will never stop eating faces.
Today, it might be farmers. It might be anti-American God-hating employees of USAID. Tomorrow, it's a media outfit that won't describe the Gulf of Mexico in exactly the way Trump wants. Or maybe it's a red state full of Medicaid recipients. There will always be faces to eat.
The only thing that will stop it is when enough Americans realize they've been duped, they've been had, and the joke is on them. When that day comes, then MAGA will be toast.
But until then: CHOMP!
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Guess they shouldn't have profited off that slave labor all those years.***
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Mar 7, 2025, 11:18 PM
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 7, 2025, 11:52 PM
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Hire legal migrants with a green card and then they are good. Hiring illegal migrants is well, illegal.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 2:57 AM
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Idiots. Once someone has a green card, they don’t work for peanuts. The system has worked for many years by having people work for a few years with meager wages with the promise of higher wages ahead. Remember that tomorrow when you are in the middle of giving a tenth happy ending for the day. You can do better.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 8, 2025, 8:21 AM
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You will work on a farm with a green card if you're hungry. There's also a program to work called the National Farmworkers Jobs Program that allows non- green card migrants to work if they enter the country legally. They can't get the docs without following the "LAWS". Keep trying. Illegals should not be here period!
I have a small farm and needed help with forest work and cleanup. I hired immigrants and they were all documented and approved to work in the U.S. They wouldn't run or hide.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 8:25 AM
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40% of farm workers are illegal. It would be a problem if they were all deported.
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 10:37 AM
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We can’t afford to keep spending the money Trump is spending on deportations. Go back to chartered 737s where it costs $500-$600 per deportee instead of the large military transports they like to use for show. Those are costing $10,000-$12,000 per deportee.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 8, 2025, 10:58 AM
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It's double cost since Biden and the charted flights to get 1000s here to start with. Did you forget that side of the story?
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 11:09 AM
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You can’t believe all the hype and fake numbers from Shitzenpants. He’s soiling his pants even more now because they can’t match either Biden’s or Obama’s deportation numbers.
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Documented facts, DA...***
Mar 8, 2025, 12:49 PM
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 10:55 AM
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I wasn’t familiar with NFJP so I read up. I don’t think it is what you think it is. It’s not a work authorization program. It’s a federal grant program that provides funds to help house, feed, and retrain migrant and seasonal farm workers and their families. Does the law require the grants to be used to help only authorized workers? Probably. Is the law enforced that way? Probably not.
Without a green card, the only legal authorization I’m aware of is the H-2A. The minimum wage for an H-2A visa is higher than most farmers can afford if all the workers are on it. $16.08/hr in, $19.97 in CA.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 8, 2025, 11:00 AM
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They can get a work visa through NFJP. The farmers need to do there part for H-2A Visas for the workers.
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 11:07 AM
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Really does not look like it. I think you have it mixed up with the guestworker program.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 8, 2025, 11:10 AM
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If they are legally here, they are guests until they become citizens. Look at the H-2A visa. If the farmers were doing their job, the illegals wouldn't be running and hiding and shouldn't be here anyway. Do it legally!
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 1:10 PM
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There's a yearly cap on H-2A visas. But H-2A is temporary - there isn't a path to a green card or citizenship with an H-2A visa. They have to return home for a period after each work period.
But I don't think you understand the simplest economics. If farmers paid everyone picking vegetables $20/hr, do you know how much a tomato would cost? With a lot of the illegal/undocumented immigrants, we are often getting an upgrade compared to the citizens. Just look at the average Trumper who collects unemployment, beats his wife, and passes STDs onto rando dudes at truck stops.
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Insight into your 'transferred' character... accusing others for YOUR failings.***
Mar 8, 2025, 4:49 PM
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Re: Insight into your 'transferred' character... accusing others for YOUR failings.***
Mar 8, 2025, 6:20 PM
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A totally illiterate illegal immigrant is an upgrade from SOLOS. It's like replacing chicken manure with filet.
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 9:29 AM
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I grow timber. We have 140 acres of Longleaf pine in the CREP program, so far haven’t heard anything about program cuts. Doesn’t matter one way or another, if the gumbent quits paying us to retire our acreage from cutting we’ll just thin it and make the same.
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
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Mar 8, 2025, 10:33 AM
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If you take them out of CRP, you can sell the pine straw too.
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Oculus Spirit [40179]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 10:44 AM
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I ain’t raking straw my man haha
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 11:03 AM
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There are crews that do it on a sharecrop basis. If you haven’t done this, it can generate decent money from longleaf and make up for the lower amount you eventually make vs loblolly if the CRP payments stop.
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Dynasty Maker [3332]
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The Leopards will eat. Those Farmers won't be spared.****
Mar 8, 2025, 4:28 PM
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Re: I'm curious if theres any farmers on the board
Mar 8, 2025, 6:39 PM
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So your client was hiring illegal immigrants? Cheap labor and rights? He sounds shady
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