Garbage can of the world.

Tiggity® · 2024-10-25T09:08:30.043Z

Well yeah. And that's pretty ironic coming from a man just two generations removed from a poor trashy German immigrant barber. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"[12] https://youtu.be/4ZkCBB1t4x8?si=OWP0Xsl6QbE7PVTa So yeah. I guess we are the world's trash can. We take that trash and turn it into riches. Trump knows this. He's a prime beneficiary of what he despises. A shinning example of the progeny of a poor German immigrant family. And when Trumps grandfather was struggling to make a name for himself in the US there were people just like Trump who put an end to the system (for decades) that even allowed his ancestors to be here. Circle of life I guess. Maybe it's just the brown skinned immigrants who are garbage? I don't know. Vote for this at your own peril. Some of the world's garbage: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump

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Oct 25, 2024, 6:14 AM

I'm third-generation German garbage myself. Actually, my grandmom's parents were potato farmers from the Artaman League, this farm collective that was apparently racial purists but not quite racist or genocidal enough for the Nazis, and so they ran for their lives in the '30's before they could get rounded up and disappeared like everyone else the Nazis didn't like. (But Sweet Jesus my grandmom was racist as $^%^; she hated everybody but she particularly despised Fins; she referred to them as "squareheads" and I vividly remember her warning me at great length how shifty and no-account Finlanders were. I spent a lot of my early childhood looking around corners for Squarehead Fins up to no good, I just knew they were out there. Thanks, Grandmaw!)

In most of my family's defense, though, most of them weren't racists, they were just drunks.

Fortunately none of us are our families. And if you're an immigrant, for one reason or another you're looking for a fresh start, and a lot of those reasons are sometimes not very nice. But, you know, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and all that...without that, I certainly wouldn't be here, and if folks really knew their family histories I suspect I'd be far from the only one with a story like that. I can tell you some colorful ones about some of the dads of the Latin kids I used to coach back when I was a soccer coach, and my son's best friend growing up was Colombian...and the Feds were trying to deport his mom his last couple years in high school. (His dad had gotten citizenship, for one reason or another she hadn't. But the woman had been here 20 years at that point and made a very good living cleaning houses...why the $^$# were we trying to deport her again? I truly did not get it, the woman was awesome.)

I agree we need far better border controls that the turnstile we've got going now. But where do Americans think the folks willing to do the hard, dirty sh!t jobs no one else will touch come from? And where do they think the bodies are going to come from? Replenishment fertility level is 2.1, and ours is running at 1.7, I believe...and the only reason we're not suffering the same demographic collapse most of the rest of the industrialized world is looking at is because of immigration.

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Sure, but did you ever stop to ask why? The problem you're not getting is, if you're going to maintain an industrialized, urbanized society, women have to have agency...and that includes the right to control their own bodies. You try to take it from them and wind the clock back before women's rights...well, look no further than the Taliban, Iran, or the Amish. It doesn't work. Women got into the workforce in the Western world - followed closely by the Far East - for one simple reason, and that was because our industrializing society needed more labor than men by themselves could do - far more.

On the other hand, when women have agency and start being career women wanting things for themselves, and especially when those women then move into cities where kids are expensive, birth rates plummet...and as we've seen worldwide, they plummet below replacement level...often well below. Most of the industrialized and even developing world is teetering on the brink of collapse because of it.

So you have to have both: women have to have agency...and yet, they also have to have more kids if we're going to maintain or build on our population. Actually the ideal is about 2.3 kids per woman - it gives you slow, steady, 10% growth, but it does not overwhelm your infrastructure with a population explosion.

So how do you get there?

The answer's fairly obvious if you stop and think about it. But to get there you do have to abandon the notion that politics and even culture are a zero-sum team sport, where someone else has to lose for you to win...and just solve for x.

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We are all immigrants. The hypocrisy of anti-immigration is cyclical.

60 million abortions

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We'd be poorer if we had 60 million more Americans

I've had my fair share of feminists.

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I'll take 'Shining City Upon a Hill' for $1000 Alex

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The Libs of TNet think illegal and legal immigrants are the same.***

Who do you think the "Libs of TNet" are?***

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There is certainly a big disconnect for some people

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So they came in legally? And you still dont see the difference?

GO SUCK A BIG ONE YOU PRETENTIOUS PIECE OF CHIT... WHO ARE YOU?

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