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Re: For you religious historians, this is an interesting find...
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Apr 4, 2025, 2:53 PM
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That's pretty cool, because right now, there are TWO locations of Jesus's burial.
The Catholics say it's within the confines of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, where the guys in the article are at. It's well inside the city walls.
Protestants say his burial location is as at the Garden tomb, about 600 yards away. Outside the city walls.
There's been plenty of back and forth through the years about who's right, and this might add a little more scriptural evidence to the Catholic camp. So far as I know the Catholic stance is largely based on interviews Constantine's mom did with the locals, 300 years after Jesus died. The Protestant view is largely based on the proximity of Skull Hill, or Golgotha, in scripture.
Which is it as of now? Welcome to faith, and tradition. Here's the two locations on an old map:
The Catholic location of the crucifixion and tomb is inside the CotHS; they built the church OVER both of them.
The Garden Tomb is the first tomb to the left of the grotto, outside the Damascus Gate.
Christ's tomb inside the CotHS
And, nearby Calvary, also in the church
Protestants’ Cavalry, Golgotha, or, Skull Hill
And his tomb, a little ways away
In the "Can't make this shid up category", by Protestant reckoning, the actual location of Christ's crucifixion is now an Arab bus parking lot. In the aerial, you can see the Golgotha rock outcropping on the north edge of the bus depot, and the Garden Tomb just a little further NW.
Looking at Golgotha from the Garden Tomb viewing platform, over the buses.
Aerial showing proximity of Garden Tomb (the tree'd area) to Golgotha (the rough escarpment bordering the north edge of the bus lot). The photo above was taken from the black rooftop below, looking over the buses.
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Re: For you religious historians, this is an interesting find...
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Apr 4, 2025, 4:24 PM
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Came across this about a month ago. Seems to be a good case for the church, the site of the dig.
https://youtu.be/ufVXZBrbSsU?feature=shared
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Apr 4, 2025, 9:44 PM
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That was great. Just loved it.
Solid history (right down to the fact that Constantine became sole-ruler in 324 AD, even though he was co-ruler from 306), solid sources, and the graphics were great...really helped to explain things that might be difficult to visualize without them.
I thought his argument was very strong that the Catholic location is spot on, but I would like to see the Protestant rebuttal just to have each side presented with equal depth.
There is a distinction that he didn't cover in this video, which is fine...his scope can be limited given limited time.
That is that he didn't get into the evidence for Jesus's burial location, as opposed to his crucifixion location, at all...in the church or outside skull hill.
It might very well be that he was crucified in the church apse, but buried in the Garden tomb over by the skull. No way to make can educated call without evidence from each side.
I enjoyed it so much I'd love to see him cover that, too.
Excellent post.
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Re: For you religious historians, this is an interesting find...
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Apr 5, 2025, 12:05 PM
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Agree. All except your last line.
Is interesting that Catholics/Protestants differ on this (I didnt know they did). Crazy. Since it happened, you know, before there were either. We'll argue about anything. I like nuns, actually. Highly underrated. I mean, Julie Andrews. I need to figure out how to get my Siri and gps voice to be her. I'd never get anywhere, just drive around listening. And I'd ask naughty questions.
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Very cool!
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Apr 4, 2025, 2:58 PM
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I think if I could do it over again, I'd pursue archaelogy as a career. Stories like this never cease to fascinate me.
I love that feeling of visiting places like this and trying to wrap my mind around everything that has happened at that spot and all the people who have stood in that spot throughout history.
Always trips me out. Something, something... Wordsworth's "Tintern Abbey."
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Re: Very cool!
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Apr 4, 2025, 3:11 PM
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It might make a better hobby than a career, unless you get an Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park gig.
I've known a couple of archaeologists...one switched to nursing. I asked "Why the change? Finding dino bones or Hebrew rings or Roman swords sounds pretty fun."
She said, "That wasn't my job. I was digging up ancient Inuit firepits and outhouses in Alaska. There's only so many fire pits and toilets you can dig up in Alaska, before it gets kind old."
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lol, I'd definitely call dibs on the firepits in that scenario.
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Apr 4, 2025, 3:19 PM
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I feel like with the improvements in sonar technology and other detection methods, there are going to be a lot more cool sites that get discovered over the next 50 years. The stories of the columns under the great pyramids is one of the latest discoveries that is blowing minds right now. I've seen a couple others recently about Incan cities that are being discovered after being totally covered and obscured by vegetation for centuries.
A few years ago, I hiked the Inca Trail -- basically an INTENSE 4-day hike over 50 miles of mountain trails from Cuzco to Machu Picchu. To see all those sites (Machu Picchu itself but also all the outposts and villages along the trail) was incredible -- and we've only known about it for about 100 years. Feels like we've barely scratched the surface of what else might be out there.
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Re: lol, I'd definitely call dibs on the firepits in that scenario.
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Apr 4, 2025, 3:29 PM
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I agree. So much cool stuff to discover and learn. I'd love to see Machu Picchu, but I'm thinking helicopter might be the only way I ever get up there, lol.
>The stories of the columns under the great pyramids is one of the latest discoveries that is blowing minds right now.
This is something I haven't heard about but will check out. Lots of mysteries still left in the pyramids, I think. Very exciting time with all the new technology.
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