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TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Yes! Please continue to speed up the game, cut the number of plays and give us less to watch of the game we love ....
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If NCAA really wants to speed-up the game...
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how about finding better officials who actually know what the **** they're doing.
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Re: If NCAA really wants to speed-up the game...
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Mar 3, 2023, 12:31 PM
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or at least watch the games. There are so many unnecessary reviews
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Re: If NCAA really wants to speed-up the game...
Mar 4, 2023, 11:24 AM
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Amen. And do away with the ridiculous replay that sometimes takes five or six minutes to show the refs they were wrong! I’d get home thirty minutes earlier with out the Replay.
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Re: If NCAA really wants to speed-up the game...
Mar 4, 2023, 12:36 PM
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Get rid of so many ### commercials and breaks in play. It is ridiculous. Same for college basketball.
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Re: If NCAA really wants to speed-up the game...
Mar 4, 2023, 12:43 PM
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It is bad. I am not going to complain about the shortening of the game. The first down rule should have been changed years ago.
Also why in the world has CFB not gone to the pro rule where you have to be touched by a defender to be considered down? This is way overdue.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Anyone who goes to a game knows this.... the TV timeouts are just brutal... they are 3+ minutes long and at least 4 per quarter, each quarter is extended an average of 14 minutes on that alone, for a 15 minute quarter its going to take 29 minutes of the clock never stops... some of them are combined with injury timeouts or the dreaded reviews but when the guuy walks out with timer the aor goes out of the stadium... 1st downs are not the issue, those are 10-15 second stoppages not 3 minutes.... NFL does not have 3 minute timeouts...
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What drives me nuts is when they take a TV timeout
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Mar 3, 2023, 1:59 PM
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after a score (field goal or touchdown) and then take another TV timeout immediately following the ensuing kickoff. It's garbage like this that is making the games take too long...
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Leave the game alone. It will never be done but the problem is TV. Cut out about 25 commercials!
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 3, 2023, 6:02 PM
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Leave the game alone. It will never be done but the problem is TV. Cut out about 25 commercials!
I’m playing devils advocate. But, commercials keep us from having to pay to watch the games on tv. Either pay $59 to watch a game or watch commercials. I’ll take
Commercials. I can pour another glass of bourbon without kissing the game. Just saying
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Clemson Icon [24728]
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Riley needs to put the pedal to the metal!
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Mar 3, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Let's goooooooooo!
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Paw Warrior [4848]
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Speeding it up meaning LESS football...more time for reviews
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Mar 3, 2023, 11:48 AM
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and commercials. Idiots.
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Exactly !!!
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Mar 3, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Less game time doesn't mean the networks are going to change the time allocated to broadcast the game. They'll simply use the extra time to show more commercials.
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Orange Phenom [14588]
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Are any of the games actually fitting into the allocated
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Mar 3, 2023, 2:22 PM
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window now though? Nearly every game seems to overrun it's time slot.
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Re: Are any of the games actually fitting into the allocated
Mar 4, 2023, 10:53 PM
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Used to be 3 hour time slot for games. Now most go beyond 3.5 hours. Such fun to sit thru particularly in difficult weather.
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CU Medallion [20860]
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If they want to truly speed the game stop the 2:00 minimum
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Mar 3, 2023, 12:14 PM
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pause after any and every clock stoppage for review, injury, officials' huddles, etc. Often the issue is dealt with quickly, but play will not resume under any circumstance until the 2:00 stoppage clock expires, then add time to reset the lines, spot the ball, and get into position. That approach means less downtime, more action, unlike the less action, same downtime approach this seems to be taking.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 12:17 PM
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If they refuse to add TV timeouts or to lengthen TV time outs then okay...perhaps.
The change I would make is to do something about soccer flop injuries to manipulate the game time without taking a time out. Make an injured player sit out for 4 plays after an "injury". If you are shaken up or hurt you should be checked out anyway. Knowing the player will come out long enough to potentially impact your team's performance would reduce flops to just stop the clock. Sure they could put in a 3rd stringer to flop for the team, but a) you would have to know that a flop is needed and b) you would have to risk removing a better player from the game with the resulting play that could happen because of that, c) if your team is deep enough at a position to afford flops then you are probably not losing anyway.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 5:41 PM
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Sitting a player who flops makes sense, but I can't see that being considered with an SEC coach as the co-chair of the committee.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 12:21 PM
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Reduce the number of plays? Chad Morris isn't going to like this.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 12:24 PM
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It's the long commercial breaks that are the problem.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101567]
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It's not the clock stopping after 1st downs that cause
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games to go 3 1/2 - 4 hours.
IT'S THE FIVE MINUTE COMMERICAL BREAKS EVERY 20 MINUTES.
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or official reviews after every other play.***
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Of course. But keeping the clock running after a first
Mar 3, 2023, 5:46 PM
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down ain't gonna move the needle.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Heaven forbid we consider reducing the commercials at the expense of the almighty dollar. Let’s not kid ourselves, that’s what this game is all about. More time for more games. Not the fans.
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I agree, its the money aspect that has ruined conferences
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Mar 3, 2023, 1:32 PM
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and rivalries.
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Not a fan of rules that depend upon it it's within 2 min end
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I before E kind of nonsense just causes more unnecessary complications of the game. K-I-S-S. No wonder many soccer fans don't like football. They like checkers not chess so making chess more complicated doesn't help the sport.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
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Mar 3, 2023, 1:29 PM
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Prohibit TV timeouts. There are enough opportunities to work in commercials. I vote with my Nielsen rating and have mostly stopped watching.
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Shortening games by 15 minutes = more games on TV
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Mar 3, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Speeding up the games might just allow the networks that have contracts with the new (and likely to get bigger) mega-conferences I.e., SEC and B1G.
Shaving off 1/2 hour from the traditional 3 hour per game broadcast will allow the mega conferences to squeeze in another game on Saturdays. It may also make it feasible for each of the two mega conferences to have two Thursday night broadcasts.
Saturday 3:00 hour format schedule: 12:00 … 3:00 … 6:00 … 9:00
Saturday 2:45 hour format schedule: 11:00 … 1:45 … 4:30 … 7:15 … 10:00
This is doable for SEC due to several teams in Central Time Zone (ARK, MIZZOU, OK, TX, TX A&M).
An expanded range of game start times is even easier for B1G, which has multiple teams in both Eastern and Central time zones, and now USC & UCLA in Pacific time zone.
Fox, NBC, and CBS need to make more money after forking out the big bucks for B1G games. Why not take advantage of the already purchased programming to fill up the time slots?
Ditto for ABC & ESPN with SEC.
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Re: Shortening games by 15 minutes = more games on TV
Mar 3, 2023, 7:31 PM
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You are spot on with that assessment. The all mighty dollar rules the day. Shorten the games to allow for more games to be broadcast. When the B1G adds those teams in California you know they want to broadcast them. I’m not staying up till 1am to finish a game so we need to figure out a way to finish games by 12.
Everything boils down to profit.
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How about we dramatically cut commercial breaks?
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thats the only thing that ticks me off when watching a game. No commercials at all would be great or relegate them to just the time that a time out takes.
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Dynasty Maker [3385]
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What they say is "we need to speed up games"
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What they don't say is "we'll take that time, which we use to show commercials, and apply it somewhere else, 'cause no way are we giving up advertising sales revenue."
If you really want to speed up the game, cut the allowable commercial breaks AND shorten the time to review calls.
I could be wrong. I frequently am. But I don't think I'm wrong about this.
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Exactly my thoughts....less game time means less TV money.
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ultimately money dictates all, so start there and work your way down. Maybe the price goes up per ad.
I do like the rules though....I would add the following:
- Adopt NFL rules on replay and challenges. It works extremely well there. They dont overdo it.
- Stop reviewing for targeting and stop ejecting kids. If the ref calls then then fine, move on. If
they miss it, then so be it.
Most games should be able to start at Noon and be over by 3p at the latest, with limited exceptions.
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How about not having commercials every third play?
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Mar 3, 2023, 1:55 PM
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What this is doing is giving us LESS of what we want. So instead of seeing X amount of plays, we will see a fraction of actual football.
They are hell-bent on ruining this game.
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Re: How about not having commercials every third play?
Mar 3, 2023, 2:50 PM
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All y'all complaining about commercials. How do you think conferences get millions of dollars each year? Commercials aren't going away.
How about adopting the NFL play review rules and not review every play?
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 3, 2023, 3:07 PM
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If there were more commercial breaks that were the picture in picture style while reviews/timeouts/injuries are happening on the field then play could resume more quickly instead of a full scheduled commercial break. (That depends on the competence of the tv crew as there are far too many times that I have seen play resume in miniaturized silence while the commercial continues.)
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Limit TV timeouts and put time limit on replay review
Mar 3, 2023, 3:17 PM
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Or, get people who can operate the video equipment faster. MOst of us can make the right call from our couch before they get started with the review.
Limit commercials, especially after kickoffs.
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If Kirby Smart is for it, I’m against it
Mar 3, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Seriously- want to shorten the game? then stop being money ###### and get rid of the 5 minute commercial breaks.
I’m as capitalist as they come, but this crap is out of control
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Marketing and Officiating are why games take so long
Mar 3, 2023, 4:57 PM
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none the proposed changes actually fix the "problem"
we'll just get to Official Reviews or Commercial Timeouts quicker
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Re: Marketing and Officiating are why games take so long
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Agree with all the comments about TV timeouts: Score a TD = T/O; Kick E/P = T/O; Kick-off = T/O
If you want to speed up the game (a little), limit Replay Reviews to 30 seconds. If it not so obvious that you can't see immediately, then let the call on the field stand and move on. Replay was meant to correct the egregious mistakes not analyze calls down to the gnat's pitutty.
What problem are they trying to fix. (most) Football fans don't care how long the games run. Just give us more football!
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Re: Marketing and Officiating are why games take so long
Mar 3, 2023, 7:36 PM
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I agree. The issue isn’t the length of time it’s the amount of lengthy timeouts.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 3, 2023, 6:19 PM
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I've worked football games at three schools in South Carolina: three D2s, two FCS. None of them took longer than 2:30 and the fastest I've ever been finished is about 2:10 with a Citadel team that ran the ball and the clock. There's nothing wrong with the current rules. The issue is the excessive ads.
How do we fix this? Obviously there must be ad revenue to pay the networks to pay the schools to put on the games.
1. Find creative ways to do more picture-in-picture, split screen advertising. Many times networks will hype their own upcoming matchups, but it should be inserted in the ad package.
2. Sell inventory the same way schools do: get a first down sponsor, a field goal sponsor, a sack sponsor, big play (25+ or whatever yards) sponsor, a three-and-out sponsor (hyping the defense). The announcers will learn to do it--it'll be in their ear and on their ######. "AND THERE'S ANOTHER AFLAC QUARTERBACK SACK, this time by Barrett Carter! Aflac supplemental insurance will never leave you unprotected." "Shipley breaks a big run up the middle for 31 yards! That's progress...that's what Progressive can do for you. Call, click or scan the QR code and let Progressive meet your insurance needs."
3. Reduce the number of ads while charging more for each ad. There are up to nine minutes of advertising per quarter and another three-minute block between 1st-2nd and 3rd-4th quarters. If each of the three-minute slots go down to two, you've reduced ad inventory by 33% so every ad will mean more and be more valuable.
4. You ever notice they come back from commercial and there's another dead 20 seconds before the ball is snapped? You can totally cut that out by taking the red hat off the field 15 seconds prior to the commercial finishing, and the teams line up with a 15-second play clock. Put the referee over the ball to prevent it being snapped. When you're live, the ref moves off the ball and the 15-second clock starts. You come back to live football instead of dead time and the break is effectively shortened on the field.
People are not angry with the length of games because there are more plays to watch. I love seeing Clemson run 100 plays. I like a temporarily stopped clock on first downs. I don't think fewer plays are the answer. My feelings on the other measures are as follows:
1. penalties at the end of 1st/3rd quarters being assessed on the first play of 2nd/4th--great, do it.
2. prevent consecutive timeouts--sure, I don't mind that
3. instant replay--give a coach three challenges per half. When a play is not overturned, he loses a timeout. If he successfully challenges, he keeps his timeout but he doesn't get his challenge back. Of course, if the officials call targeting, the booth can reverse it. Personally I'm sick of the targeting call.
Someone else suggested removing a player for x downs if he went down with an "injury". I like that. You can keep him in the game if you use a timeout, or he can sit four plays, or until one team picks up a first down or there's a change of possession or whatever. All the stoppages for "injury" would suddenly get better when one team isn't stalling.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 3, 2023, 6:45 PM
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The best way to speed up game would be eliminate half the Tv time outs
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 3, 2023, 7:43 PM
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How about about a rule where you can’t have back to back commercials.
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That Spurdle commercial time gotta come from somewhere
Mar 4, 2023, 1:58 AM
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Gotta think money is key here
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Valley Protector [1422]
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Re: That Spurdle commercial time gotta come from somewhere
Mar 4, 2023, 8:18 AM
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Tonge in cheek. The next thing you know they will let the clock run during commercials. After the commercial is over you may find the game is over and everyone has gone home. LEAVE THINGS ALONE.
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Stupid stupid stupid...fix the freakin commercial interruptions instead of ruining the game
Mar 4, 2023, 8:48 AM
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I like that teams are rewarded when getting a first down. It allows for last minute victories and such.
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Yet another reason why I LOVE SOCCER games
Mar 4, 2023, 12:29 PM
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45 mins straight (plus stoppage time). Twice.
Simple. Beautiful.
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Contrary to what most see happening, the tail isn't waggin..
Mar 4, 2023, 1:43 PM
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the dog. The tail has purchased the dog and become the master.
Game will continue to be aired for 2-3 hours, possibly longer with the added commercials. The injustice is that contracts with conferences will not reflect the additional revenue from adding more commercials to game broadcast.
Them that's got the gold make up the rules.
My relief is that I prerecord games and FF through the trash of commercials and halftime BS. I despise ESPiN.
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Mar 4, 2023, 4:35 PM
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They need to be proposing rule changes to the transfer portal and all this NIL foolishness!!
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Mar 4, 2023, 7:31 PM
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The NIL is just the latest in the "it was good idea in theory. But implementation got screwed all to hell." Which proves once again the NCAA needs a major overhaul.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 4, 2023, 10:56 PM
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It is really silly to blame commercial breaks. You don't think the NFL has commercial breaks? But college games are longer than NFL games. The proposed changes make a lot of sense. But people just like to complain.
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Mar 5, 2023, 8:05 AM
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When will they do something to shorten basketball games? Should be 2 timeouts per half. Call intentional fouls and allow the fouled team the option of shooting free throws or taking the ball out of bounds.
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Starter [269]
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 5, 2023, 11:41 AM
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The real goal of these changes is to give the NCAA more commercial time. The time that is saved by these changes will be added to the commercial breaks to sell more commercials and generate more $$$. If this were not the case, and you really wanted to speed up the game, you would reduce the number and length of the TV commercial breaks.
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 5, 2023, 11:15 PM
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I'd love to see the quantity and duration of commercials reduced but that's not happening.
Biggest difference between NFL and college games is the stoppage of the clock after a first down. Allowing the clock to run after a first down should shorten the game a reasonable amount. If the average game has 40 first downs (and the average is probably more than 40) and the average time to stop the clock to move the chains is 8 seconds, the average game can be shortened roughly 8-9% (saving 340 seconds off a 3600 second game duration), recognizing there is some variance as the clock will continue to stop in last 2 minutes of each half for a first down. I think the difference will be very noticeable and likely result 14-16 fewer total plays per game (whether we like or dislike that fact).
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Re: TNET: NCAA Rules Committee formally proposes changes to speed up games
Mar 6, 2023, 2:33 AM
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They would cut the game time before they would drop commercial time. If commercial airtime changes at all it will be more commercials sadly.
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