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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Recruiting vs Georgia
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:08 PM
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Right now, Georgia is even in a better place than we were after the 2018 natty, being that they’ve gone back-to-back. We’ve still recruited well in GA, but they are pulling more obviously.
Florida, SC, Georgia, and now Alabama in recent years, have been our grounds for recruiting.
I could list numerous, but recents are Deshaun Watson (GA), Trevor Lawrence (GA), Sammy Watkins (FL), etc.
Clemson is still a top 4 program in the nation, IMO the best overall as far as everything about it. Getting back to the CFP will help, but I feel we may have to change some staff in the lower levels. One name that I’ll mention is Grisham. I love the guy, he’s a Clemson product just like Streeter, but I don’t think he can recruit well.
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Ring of Honor [22118]
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To date...Grish hasn't done anything well.
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:09 PM
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Its a put up or shut up year for him.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: To date...Grish hasn't done anything well.
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:42 PM
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Yes for sure
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:16 PM
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If you look at the Top 10 in the rankings, we should be super excited just to be there.
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Dynasty Maker [3219]
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Don’t overlook Dabo’s successs with three star and
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:24 PM
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less recruits. He can spot potential. Grady Jarrett is a prime example. After one of his camps Dabo basically overruled his defense coaches and insisted on giving him an offer.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: Don’t overlook Dabo’s successs with three star and
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:39 PM
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I understand and agree with that. Travis Etienne came out of Louisiana as a three star. Before his Junior season, I believed he was already ag CJ Spiller’s level as far as impact, but he ended up no doubt as our best RB ever.
TJ Green was a 2 star I think.
Isaiah Simmons out of Kansas was very low rated.
I expect Jarvis Greene to come in and really work in the offense, as a 3-star.
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Re: Don’t overlook Dabo’s successs with three star and
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:38 PM
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I don't know why people keep saying this about ETN. he was a highly regarded 4* in High School. See attached photo.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: Don’t overlook Dabo’s successs with three star and
Jan 25, 2023, 9:59 PM
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Depends on recruiting site.
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Re: Don’t overlook Dabo’s successs with three star and
Jan 25, 2023, 10:53 PM
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Junior year but we didn't recruit him until late senior year.
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Re: Don’t overlook Dabo’s successs with three star and
Jan 29, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Thanks to Nick
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
Jan 25, 2023, 7:41 PM
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I wouldn’t say “super excited”. If you say that meaning that we aren’t even at the level of top-10 recruiting nationally, then you couldn’t understand our lasting Brand and who we are as a top 4 program overall.
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It's an uncanny ability you have or, better put, palsy
Jan 25, 2023, 9:53 PM
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of saying something that's not only absolutely worthless, but totally devoid of any cognitive thought.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: It's an uncanny ability you have or, better put, palsy
Jan 25, 2023, 10:00 PM
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Other people seem to find it discussable so far, your opinion isn’t always fact.
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:23 PM
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I think Riley is going to have to be the one to bring in the top talent receivers and also the one who is going to have to make the recommendation to Dabo on what to do with Grisham as far as coaching going forward.
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Orange Elite [5383]
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^^^ Ding, ding, ding… we have a winner ^^^***
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Jan 25, 2023, 8:36 PM
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Ring of Honor [21069]
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During our 6 year NC game run, we pulled
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:47 PM
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recruits from outside our traditional footprint as well. We got Wilkins out of CT, Isaiah Simmons and Xavier Kelly out of KS, Jackson Carman and Bockhorst from OH, Etienne out of LA, a few from TN and VA.
I think Clemson can make inroads again by plucking a few gems. Our two recruits so far are from IL and FL and we are still working TX and AR.
My point is that we can't expect to split recruits with UGA and Alabama at the same rate in the traditional recruiting foot print but can return to the NC with a broad recruiting strategy.
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well, they do provide
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Jan 25, 2023, 8:13 PM
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free transportation to/from establishments by the recruiting staff as a perk, apparently.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: well, they do provide
Jan 25, 2023, 8:26 PM
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If you’re referring to the car accident that’s a complicated measure. I feel nothing but pain for those 2 and all who loved them.
I do not understand that rule completely though. Was that considered as an “illegal” benefit in recruiting, or something minor?
Again, it’s a tragedy.
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
Jan 25, 2023, 8:23 PM
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Some fans may disagree but Clemson needs another Blue Collar player. We need another Hunter Renfrow. A kid that walks on earns a scholarship, catches the winning pass from DW4 to beat Bama in 2016 with a couple of seconds left. Hunter brought Energy into the games.
And some my disagree with me on these points. I said before it happened if Clemson were to drop out of the CFP’s it would come from outside sources. NIL opportunities may have cost us some excellent athletes and players jump ship through the TP if they are not getting exposure for NIL opportunities. It all comes down to $$$$$$.
I agree maybe we needed a more experienced OC. I know it’s a business but it’s also a game. I wish we could have placed Streeter in another position. I am convinced he gave his best effort. He just lacked experience.
I believe many parents and kids are now more interested in how much NIL $$$$$$$$ their kid can make. All the things that made Clemson standout above UGA, Bama, OSU and other schools now hurt our recruiting by offering $$$$$$$$. It’s hard to find kids today who care about education, learning good life skills and the other factors that made Clemson the place where mom wanted their kid to play. Now after 4 years some of these kids do not have to work hard to make it to the NFL. Some of them can make enough as a so called college athlete through NlL $$$$$$ and invest that money. Mom and dad may even be able to retire early.
Is the NFL still a kids big dream with the brain injuries so prevalent. Or is make as much as you can through NIL then invest it. Who’s to say after college many of these kids can just make commercials for a living. Forget the NFL unless you are a pick in the first 3 rounds ???
It’s all twisted and chaotic now. So who knows what the future holds. Just some random thoughts.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
Jan 25, 2023, 8:46 PM
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Some points, but first Hunter did bring that legendary energy.
As far as NIL, you were and are right, but only for maybe the next couple of years or so. I predict that NIL will sort of a trend. Imagine NIL’s impact level as a function of the College football landscape. Under the right conditions, it appears the other way around (NIL controlling College football). Like currently, the programs that were expected by many to dominate from athletes being paid (USC, TX, Texas A&M, Ohio State, etc.) have seen heavy benefit from a recruiting perspective. Look at TX A&M though, as well as Miami. But why I think NIL will fall in impact is because the sport of College football knows no ends. A small sample of evidence is Clemson’s sustainment through the beginning of NIL. The decision by Garrett Riley to join Clemson shows a strong pull by Clemson’s brand. To get a guy like that to a widely thought of “declining” program in a new world of NIL where he could have been a HC at maybe some top revenue programs. All this to say it will even out and the tradition of CFB will reign supreme.
An extra point, college football will be, and kind of is now, a professional sport of its own aside to the NFL. Choosing to see it as a help to the young men help their loved ones with the money earlier in life than waiting until the NFL if they even make it. There are dark sides to money, but there’s positives in this situation.
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Paw Warrior [4917]
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
Jan 25, 2023, 8:46 PM
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Some points, but first Hunter did bring that legendary energy.
As far as NIL, you were and are right, but only for maybe the next couple of years or so. I predict that NIL will sort of a trend. Imagine NIL’s impact level as a function of the College football landscape. Under the right conditions, it appears the other way around (NIL controlling College football). Like currently, the programs that were expected by many to dominate from athletes being paid (USC, TX, Texas A&M, Ohio State, etc.) have seen heavy benefit from a recruiting perspective. Look at TX A&M though, as well as Miami. But why I think NIL will fall in impact is because the sport of College football knows no ends. A small sample of evidence is Clemson’s sustainment through the beginning of NIL. The decision by Garrett Riley to join Clemson shows a strong pull by Clemson’s brand. To get a guy like that to a widely thought of “declining” program in a new world of NIL where he could have been a HC at maybe some top revenue programs. All this to say it will even out and the tradition of CFB will reign supreme.
An extra point, college football will be, and kind of is now, a professional sport of its own aside to the NFL. Choosing to see it as a help to the young men help their loved ones with the money earlier in life than waiting until the NFL if they even make it. There are dark sides to money, but there’s positives in this situation.
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Orange Elite [5383]
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We just need to be patient… things will change again
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Jan 25, 2023, 8:54 PM
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After everyone realizes that NIL is fools gold in terms of a healthy future for their kids.
Sure, they should be able to earn on their name image and likeness after they are at a school and playing to demonstrate why they should earn. But not before. This is where a 1 year of play requirement should be implemented.
Then limit transfers to students who have actually earned their degree from the school they initially committed to. That is change #2.
And for the change #3, either the NCAA or whatever org the schools agree to establish and abide by their policing needs to have the investigative power and punishment power to make these rules stick.
No more buying players with NIL enticements. No more transfers unless you get a degree. Done!
Then we can return to semi-normal.
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I agree.***
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Paw Warrior [4822]
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:12 PM
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Right now, Georgia is even in a better place than we were after the 2018 natty, being that they’ve gone back-to-back. We’ve still recruited well in GA, but they are pulling more obviously.
Florida, SC, Georgia, and now Alabama in recent years, have been our grounds for recruiting.
I could list numerous, but recents are Deshaun Watson (GA), Trevor Lawrence (GA), Sammy Watkins (FL), etc.
Clemson is still a top 4 program in the nation, IMO the best overall as far as everything about it. Getting back to the CFP will help, but I feel we may have to change some staff in the lower levels. One name that I’ll mention is Grisham. I love the guy, he’s a Clemson product just like Streeter, but I don’t think he can recruit well.
Georgia is destroying Clemson in recruiting! They also use the portal. Georgia is what Clemson was between 2015-2020.
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I wouldn’t describe it as “destroying”, but ever since Kirby
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:32 PM
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Arrived, UGA recruiting has beaten Clemson’s. Nevermind the portal topic. I happen to agree mostly with Dabo on the portal stuff. If there’s scholly room and a character fit and the player is willing to earn the starting job and we don’t have to promise some crazy NIL $$ to lure him here, then use the portal. Otherwise, it is a fools errand long term. It can be a quick fix in the short term, but it ruins the reason for committing to the initial school in the first place.
Kirby is the reason UGA is whooping up on everybody in recruiting. They don’t need the portal. Good teams who recruit and develop well really don’t need the portal. If you are in a quick rebuilding mode like Deion at Colorado, Riley at USC or Norvell at FSU, then yes it makes sense.
Listen, I have been a vocal critic as of late about the recruiting and the coaches. It needs to improve. BOTTOMLINE. Dabo is taking measures to do just that. I wouldn’t be so worried about the portal this and the portal that. If you recruitwell, develop players well and coach well and then win, then kids will want to come to Clemson. Otherwise you need to rely on NIL enticements, portal shortcuts and whatnot to win and if that is the case then why bother? ?♂️
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
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Unfortunately, like it or not ..or the inability to admit it - the Dawgs are the new Bama. Back to back Natty’s, with the coaching and especially the recruiting. We’ve been in a two year lull, and yes, but but.. an ACC title, a Cheese It Bowl win ..and as compared to the days of outside toilets, we’ve done great. However, on a National or CFP level..a two year void. The reasons have been discussed; QB play, inexperienced coaches and recruiting, etc. Things look better now than they have in a long while, our new OC will open up our offense and bring in the recruits. Overall, I can’t remember a time, though am sure there are those with better memories or different opinions - Clemson sports is on the upswing across the board; Football, BB, Baseball and Soccer .. we’ll be back and our recruiting will improve.
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Next season will be telling…it will be the FIRST year of…
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…NIL/TP Free Agency Platinum Edition.
We should begin to see NIL/TP filter strain out the “non-players” with respect to being able to put their money on the table.
The infamous NIL/TP “cream” will rise to the top, and the “backwash” will settle to the bottom of the bucket.
Will Clemson be in that “cream”? We’ll see when the Seminoles come to Death Valley next season.
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Re: Recruiting vs Georgia
Jan 29, 2023, 8:47 AM
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Jawja has a major advantage in Tata bars and indoor recreation!
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