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"doctor has built a career on distorted science"...
Jan 22, 2020, 7:25 PM
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who would have thunk it?
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Re: "doctor has built a career on distorted science"...
Jan 22, 2020, 7:39 PM
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this is why we save money on doctor visits and take our kids to a vet.
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Re: "doctor has built a career on distorted science"...
Jan 22, 2020, 7:57 PM
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you have goats?
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Re: "doctor has built a career on distorted science"...
Jan 22, 2020, 7:59 PM
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no, they are normal children. It is just that vets are far more knowledgeable than regular doctors because they have to learn every animal.
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Re: "doctor has built a career on distorted science"...
Jan 22, 2020, 8:21 PM
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but then you are limited in the amount of depth and time spent in the study of each.somewhat like a comedian once said:"you can't have everything.where would you put it all".
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Re: "doctor has built a career on distorted science"...
Jan 23, 2020, 7:15 AM
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But ... bet it’s the very best vet you can find - TBalm !! I mean - come on - nothing’s too good for your very own kids - rite ??!?? -">
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 22, 2020, 7:45 PM
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That's fascinating. I went digging for bona fides as I do with any article and Stars and Stripes came back as "least biased" - which is as good as media gets, and very rare - and did not report any known failed fact checks.
Still, there's the other side of that equation...and that's Kevin Turner, who officially died of ALS triggered by CTE and there's zero doubt something severe and awful happened to the guy.
Also, I played MLB in high school myself...and I can tell you personally I had savage migraines all through college...which have since dropped off since I hit 30, and I've often wondered if the reason was all the head shots I took. I'll freely admit - I crowned everybody, and I have a hard time remembering many front-facing tackles I made where I didn't drop my head and try to knock the guy into the next county, that's just how you did it, back in the day. Coaches would mumble about "see what you hit" during drills, of course, but what got everybody all jacked was the kill shot...so of course you went for the kill shot.
So is CTE maybe somewhat overblown? I dunno. But I still think helmet-to-helmet contact is heap bad stuff, especially the more of it you take.
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 22, 2020, 9:33 PM
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Thumbs up for you Q but it took me 3 minutes to figure out you didn't play Major League Baseball in high school! Damnnnn
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 22, 2020, 10:41 PM
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I’m glad I’m not the only one!??????
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 23, 2020, 12:20 AM
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Not by a long shot tidewater! ??
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Let me guess, you played defense in high school too?
Jan 22, 2020, 10:42 PM
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(Sorry, I know it is a serious subject. But, when someone lobs you a straight slow one right over the heart of the plate, you just kinda gotta hit it out.)
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the crack of helmet to helmet was normal on every play
Jan 22, 2020, 10:18 PM
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Back when I played too.
I’m a little wacky but.. OK I guess ?
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Interesting. I played OT and DE, and like you we were taught
Jan 22, 2020, 10:35 PM
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to initiate contact with every opponent with as hard a hit as could be delivered. There was some technique taught about moving a person this way or that when blocking, or shedding a block on D, but it was mostly just punish the first guy you saw. I thought it was funny that on every single offensive play I saw a flash of light as my helmet hit the one in front of me. Every play, a flash of light.
I had migraines all through college and my 40s. Every day brought a 'normal' headache, with about 2 per month escalating into a debilitating deal. Classes with limited cuts requited a doctor's note before the semester was out. When online marketing became a thing, I ordered BC powders by the case. At about age 50 a doctor tried an anti inflammatory - Bextra back then - purely as an experiment, and it worked. I still take a Celebrex every morning, but that is far better than 8 aspirin, and the headaches are gone for the most part, maybe a powder needed every other day. Not enough to complain about.
I have no idea whether this was related to some 800 helmet to helmet hits, and I didn't even think about it until it became a thing a decade ago, and in any case a guy who seems normal at age 64 can figure he dodged the bullet. But whenever I see a guy launch in with his head I know he's too young to really think about what he's doing.
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Ah, the old flash of light. I wonder if that was our brain
Jan 22, 2020, 11:05 PM
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Bouncing off our skulls? Hopefully just something to do with the eyes.
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Re: Interesting. I played OT and DE, and like you we were taught
Jan 23, 2020, 9:51 AM
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In reply to you and Quozzel, the migraines and head trauma from guys who played back in the is more likely due to playing through head injuries.
I think the greatest advancement in football at any level has been the ability to detect head injuries.
I played football long after they stopped teaching players to hit with their helmet as you have mentioned. I still know that there are several games that I continued to play where not I would have been removed.
I played the entire second half of a game in high school with my shoulder pads unstrapped due to a shot to my head/neck area that made it tough for me to breathe. I was a QB and strapped my pads in the huddle on plays where I thought I may run the ball.
There is no way I would have played another play in today's game after the hit I took, but at the time I didn't even miss a play.
Yes brain injuries, especially repeated ones, lead to longterm problems just as any injuries to the body, but I do feel that the problems with any participation have been greatly overstated and are borderline on fear-mongering.
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 22, 2020, 9:20 PM
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When I played in high school, We were taught to block and tackle with the crown of our helmet, what I guess would be targeting today. I went home from practice on most days with headaches. I had one concussion, that I know of, my brother had at least two. We’re both in our late sixties, and neither one of us has any problems. I some times wonder if there aren’t, other circumstances involved.
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well if you had a concussion and no problems
Jan 23, 2020, 3:35 AM
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then everyone that had a concussion will have no problems. A sample size of 2 is good enough for me! I had, that I remember, three concussions where I was knocked out cold. One time I was in the hospital for three days. My memory sucks but that is from all the pot I smoked in the 70's.
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Re: well if you had a concussion and no problems
Jan 23, 2020, 12:07 PM
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I didn't say, because we had no problems, then everyone that had a concussion shouldn't have a problem. I just wondered if maybe there were other things involved. Like the pro players that have committed suicide, or died with brain tumors. In some of those cases, the athletes used steroids, and HGH. More than likely cocaine, or other drugs were used. Like maybe they smoked a lotta dope too. who knows. I wonder how many players from the Chuck Bednarik, Sam Huff days, had these kind of problems, and the even earlier players, that used equipment that probably offered very little protection, if any. Hope this clears up, what I was saying.
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Like most pop-science, it's BS.***
Jan 22, 2020, 10:20 PM
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Re: Like most pop-science, it's BS.***
Jan 22, 2020, 10:34 PM
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Yeah , I always thought Popular Science was boring .
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 23, 2020, 7:38 AM
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Did he ask Al Gore if he could claim this?
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I don't think anyone would dispute that routinely banging
Jan 23, 2020, 9:37 AM
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your head to the point of getting concussions is not going to be healthy for you in the long run.
However, it appears that the "Concussion doctor" has been overstating his case quite a bit - maybe with good intentions or maybe for financial gain. Either way, I'm reminded of the last line of Greg "Pappy" Boyington's autobiography "Baa Baa Black Sheep": “Just name a hero and I’ll prove he’s a bum.”
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Re: Article on CTE and its “evangelism”
Jan 23, 2020, 12:35 PM
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I heard a story on NPR earlier this year in which a researcher said essentially the same thing about the data. It is far from comprehensive; more study needs to be done. Apparently the evidence does not justify the high confidence in the conclusions.
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Just another attempt to discredit Dr. Omalu...
Jan 23, 2020, 1:29 PM
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His findings hit a multi-billion dollar organization in the gut, and they are still running a campaign to reverse his impact.
1. Discredit the man. 2. Discredit his work. 3. Silence the man (aka stop him from running around and telling the truth).
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Re: Just another attempt to discredit Dr. Omalu...
Jan 23, 2020, 1:35 PM
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His findings were based largely upon opinions.
There is no way to scientifically back up his findings without opening up the brains of hundreds of football players and hundreds of people who never played any football at all and compare the results.
One of his main points of proof was Aaron Hernandez. The problem with this is that he showed majorly erratic behavior tendencies and was a heavy drug user from a young age.
Finding CTE in NFL players doesn't prove that the NFL or football cause it.
There has to be a control group and there are lots of factors that go into the comparisons.
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Re: Just another attempt to discredit Dr. Omalu...
Jan 23, 2020, 1:38 PM
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I think there is a lot more substance abuse that occurs in the NFL than has ever been brought to light. I worked for a guy who was on the practice squad with the New England Patriots and he flat out said their were a lot of guys he played with that were doing drugs daily. Youth+Wealth+fame is the same as Success = Excess = Recess....
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Re: Just another attempt to discredit Dr. Omalu...
Jan 23, 2020, 1:48 PM
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There is probably a lot of truth to that.
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Re: "Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it."***
Jan 23, 2020, 1:52 PM
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I'm not trying to say that repeated brain injuries aren't a bad thing.
What I'm trying to say is that to call something a scientific fact it has to show hard evidence of cause and effect.
He is showing effect and generating an educated guess as to the cause based on the violent nature of football.
Maybe everything he is saying is exactly right, but he doesn't have the proof at this point and with the way the media works these days they took it and ran with it to generate buzz.
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Well, it shouldn't be surprising that significant
Jan 23, 2020, 1:54 PM
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head trauma can cause a wide range of problems in the short-term as well as the long-term. Our heads weren't meant for that type of impact, helmet or not.
No, we don't have "proof" that the issue is as bad as some people fear. But the research we do have certainly shows that football is a violent sport that not only causes concussions, but long-term brain damage as well.
The bottom line is that a lot of people, from players, to coaches, to fans, don't want to admit that their sport of choice is dangerous. Just how dangerous remains to be seen, but I for one don't blame parents one bit for refusing to let their kids play competitive football. It's simply not worth the risks, based on common sense as well as the research we have thus far.
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