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Ring of Honor [22212]
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DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 1:31 PM
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Like Texas Tech passing attack, up tempo, spread receivers out and let DJ cut the field apart in the pocket. Honestly believe a good bit of the problem is trying to force a circle into a square, he’s not a read option QB but has the arm to tear defense up. I really don’t understand why we keep forcing his weakness vs his strength. Dude has the biggest arm I’ve ever seen and that includes Trevor.
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You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 1:38 PM
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coming out of high school would've clued our staff in about this.
Why they are asking him to be a dual threat type QB is a huge mystery to me.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Doesn’t make sense to me either, he’s not that type of QB. I just don’t understand why they don’t change up the offense it would help a lot.
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You want our coaches to adapt the offense?!?
Sep 7, 2022, 4:10 PM
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Boy, that’s just crazy talk!
Stubbornness is a real weakness on our staff.
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Win by more than the spread and all you want to do is
Sep 7, 2022, 4:13 PM
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criticize an actual successful program, per the usual.
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Ring of Honor [22212]
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Re: In fairness, Dabo has won more Natties than Texas Tech.
Sep 7, 2022, 1:44 PM
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No #### Sherlock I’m not saying run their exact same offense, I’m saying it’s stupid to force a pocket passer to run an RPO and expect him to be amazing
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Mac Jones was a statue, no mobility and didn’t even try
Sep 7, 2022, 2:24 PM
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And won a natty in the Bama offense, designed around the RPO.
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Re: Mac Jones was a statue, no mobility and didn’t even try
Sep 7, 2022, 3:14 PM
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DJ couldn’t hold Mack Jones jock strap, so not the same!
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Re: Mac Jones was a statue, no mobility and didn’t even try
Sep 7, 2022, 3:16 PM
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The discussion was about offensive philosophy and his lack of mobility, maybe he would fit in better with a different scheme. I was pointing out players can play or they can’t, scheme doesn’t matter for big time players.
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Re: In fairness, Dabo has won more Natties than Texas Tech.
Sep 7, 2022, 1:51 PM
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That style offense is used a lot in the NFL. Mike Leach coached 5 of the 32 starting NFL QBs. There are 9 air raid QBs on the rosters. Andy Reid runs a similar offense to Texas Tech. Forgive me, but I think I'll take his advice on offense (since he's pretty widely considered the greatest offensive mind in the game) over Dabo.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 1:46 PM
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His skillset matched our WRs though. Ngata, Ladson, EJ, and Ajou are all vertical threats. DJ has a massive arm. We should have been able to stretch teams vertically. But none of them consistently came down with the 50/50 balls. Injuries. Transfers.
They all became ineffective WRs. None of them are threats in the screen game and on underneath throws. None of that is DJ’s fault.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 3:20 PM
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So what is it then? Coaching? So the offense has been poorly coached for two years? But why is it allowed to carry on, especially with the salary this offensive staff brings home. Top 4/5 roster on paper!
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National Champion [7847]
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 3:42 PM
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Last year was about roster management and injuries.
Go back and watch DJ vs BC and ND his freshman year. You’ll see the same accuracy issues. The difference was that we had diversity at WR and Etienne at RB. Amari was a threat in the slot, on screens, and was fast enough to run past you vertically. Cornell was a solid route runner and could get separation out of his breaks. EJ was the vertical threat. And then Etienne was the ultimate security blanket when things broke down. DJ looked great because our offense had so many threats.
Those threats didn’t exist last year. All we had were tall, vertical threats. Then they all got injured and we were left with two true freshmen and two walk-ons as our top four WRs.
GT had other issues. Our first two drives had mistakes. Guaranteed scoring opportunity on one of them too btw. We couldn’t establish the run. Our OL didn’t play particularly well. And our WRs dropped a lot of passes. Blaming it all on DJ in nonsense. I wanted to see Cade early too. But DJ got a lot better as the game went on. We need everyone else to be better as well.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 1:47 PM
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I guess they figure Boyd transformed into an effective QB when the system arrived. Cole Stoudt was given his shot at starting. Why not DJ? If he could process / read the defense better I think he could go north-south as well as Trevor just not as fast. His TD run on Monday night was about what I’d expect from him at his new weight.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 1:58 PM
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I guess they figure Boyd transformed into an effective QB when the system arrived. Cole Stoudt was given his shot at starting. Why not DJ? If he could process / read the defense better I think he could go north-south as well as Trevor just not as fast. His TD run on Monday night was about what I’d expect from him at his new weight.
I guess they figure Boyd transformed into an effective QB when the system arrived. Cole Stoudt was given his shot at starting. Why not DJ? If he could process / read the defense better I think he could go north-south as well as Trevor just not as fast. His TD run on Monday night was about what I’d expect from him at his new weight.
In theory, his lost weight & recovered body injuries bode better results in the games ahead. But we'll see. He did amaze me last year in that, even with injuries, he would make runs and limp his way to the end zone on a few occasions.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 2:02 PM
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Very simple here DJs strengths are not enough to overcome our weaknesses currently. To be a proficient pocket passer there has to be a pocket. DJ cannot move outside of the pocket fluidly if the pocket breaks down. Also in my opinion why DJ looks so much better running tempo the pocket doesn't have to hold up nearly as long balls out quickly and generally to the first read. A mobile quarterback gives wide receivers longer to create separation DJ can't do that. DJ no doubt has a cannon of an arm but even that strength is limited due to the previous factors.
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Re: You would think that his ranking at the top pro style QB
Sep 7, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Last time I checked, we don't run a pro set. Honestly speaking, we don't have the O line to even consider switching to a pro set.
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Are you saying our coaches missed on Trevor Lawrence -
Sep 7, 2022, 3:18 PM
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it seems like that is what you are saying ?
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Why would your football coaches do that to such a poor
Sep 7, 2022, 4:27 PM
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little kid ?
He's a Pro-Style QB.
DJU is a Pro-Style QB.
Our coaches do nothing but MISS and MIS-LEAD poor little children.
Is it basketball season yet ? ? ? ?
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Re: DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 1:58 PM
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Only offense DJ would thrive in would be an offense that had 375 lb O line and 8ft tall receivers.
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No he wouldn't. He's not accurate enough and no team
Sep 7, 2022, 2:04 PM
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has an offensive line so good that the QB can just sit in the pocket and throw all the time and never have to buy time with their feet, throw on the run, or take off upfield when the oline inevitably breaks down against a good defense.
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Re: No he wouldn't. He's not accurate enough and no team
Sep 7, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Boyd was successful because of his WR's. He just needed to throw the ball in the vicinity and would usually grab it. 50/50 throws went to us usually.
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He wasn't as successful until he get better with his feet
Sep 7, 2022, 2:17 PM
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and became more effective moving around the pocket and becoming a weapon in the running game. He had some great receivers, but he was also more consistently accurate than DJ has been to this point. The 4th and 16 pass against LSU was a thang-O-beauty.
Our receivers may actually be better than what we have seen so far.
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Nope
Sep 7, 2022, 2:07 PM
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It's the processing of his reads. Not fast enough. Running or throwing.
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Re: DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 2:14 PM
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The problem is our receivers. Give DJ Mike Williams and Tea Higgins and he would do great. DJ is a big arm QB but our current receivers are not fast enough to create seperation and can't high point the ball. DJ is not a dink and dunk QB and he is certainly not a running QB.
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Re: DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Pro style QB. Do y'all think an NFL team will draft him?
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Until he starts playing faster
Sep 7, 2022, 2:22 PM
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And making decisions with conviction, he won’t do “well” in any offense. He’s made some progress, but still doesn’t do those two things.
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Re: DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 2:45 PM
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DJ needs a large line like we had in DW's era, but I don't think DJ was a smart pick by Dabo if he knew the fit wasn't there.
I go back to when we had Brice as backup, he fit the Clemson O-line of the Dabo era. Was Dabo so short-sighted to not see DJ's concrete cleats all last year and in most of the first half of the GT game? BLINDERS!
You can't blame the O-line that Dabo himself picked as the sacrificial lambs if the QB doesnt' work in the scheme. Then you're blaming 10 other guys because they aren't working with the QB weakness... it's nonsense.
We watched Cade bound with FOCUSED energy for only one series, but it was easy to see he even fits the 2nd-3rd stringers who are out there. That tells us Dabo needs to revisit the Lawrence-Bryant multi-game shootout where each gets a good shot of proving they are the best fit.
DJ did look better 2nd half, but what worries me is are we going to see 30 minutes of mediocrity from offense every game for him not to come out swinging?
And I cannot bring myself to blame play calling when it's the QBs job to make the play work if supposedly he's got so much support from Streeter and Dabo.
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Our offensive strategy tends to not utilize talent well.
Sep 7, 2022, 2:47 PM
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Just look at how much we threw to ETN rather than let him run the #### ball.
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Re: DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Ohio State
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I think the option was decided before the play was...
Sep 7, 2022, 3:22 PM
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transmitted to the field. I do not believe DJ had an option. It appeared to me they took it away from him, and fair enough.
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Re: DJ would thrive in an offense
Sep 7, 2022, 4:05 PM
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The staff has done a poor job using DJ as they are trying to put him in out longtime offense and he is not a fit. There has to be another scheme for him. At present we will lose to NC State ND and Miami and not reach the ACC championship game thus no playoff. We have to give him an offense he can play or move on to Cade before it is too late. I have been surprised at some of the decisions our staff had made lately. They miss not necessarily Jeff but Brad Scott. In my opinion he was the glue behind the offense.
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