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Paw Warrior [4714]
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Congrats to the ardent Trump supporters.
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I wasn't necessarily surprised to see Trump win, but the manner in which he won was surprising.
While I definitely still have my concerns over his decision making and fitness for leadership, I'm also not one to shy away from eating crow when my side loses.
A little more than half the country is celebrating today, while a little less than half is disappointed. Many are looking at our country without a lot of hope at all. MY hope, though, is that the tenets of our country endure and that we all learn to work together again and see ourselves as one nation, undivided. I hope we all remember to be kind to each other and treat others as we all wish to be treated ourselves.
Dum spiro spero.
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Maybe if the left can learn to not be totally FOS about generally everything
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:17 PM
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this can happen.
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Paw Warrior [4714]
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I don't think the left, especially the media...
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... ever fully grasped how their own hyperbole fueled Trump's talking points.
I wish both sides would approach political conversations with a certain level of mutual respect and be able to debate issues with that as the underlying principle... instead of going back and forth trying to one-up each other in outrage.
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Heisman Winner [81103]
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Definitely not, it's the lack of self awareness I talk about
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:31 PM
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Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. Covid was a big reason, I started keeping receipts during that time and I know a lot of other people did too. I will never forgive or forget what was said about people like me. Fugg em.
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Orange Phenom [14303]
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mostly jest but partly not, one reason I think we can't engage in civil
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:36 PM
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discourse anymore? Lack of beer
In all seriousness, wish neighborhood pub/bars were more prevalent. Seemed could be a place where just because of geography people could come together from different ideologies and share a pint. Learn how to listen to others without turning off the TV or blocking the site as soon as something is said contrary to one's stance
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Re: mostly jest but partly not, one reason I think we can't engage in civil
Nov 7, 2024, 8:05 AM
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You might be on to something. I do think that's why the city I live in is pretty civil. There are lots of neighborhood Pubs.
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Re: I don't think the left, especially the media...
Nov 6, 2024, 3:55 PM
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It might be helpful to listen to and ask the people what they want, rather than telling them what they want.
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There are some loons, but one side is trying to convince me a guy
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Nov 6, 2024, 2:00 PM
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with a peanus is a woman....soooo, yeah.
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Ultimate Tiger [34885]
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day do be doin dat!***
Nov 6, 2024, 4:00 PM
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Paw Warrior [4714]
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Re: There are some loons, but one side is trying to convince me a guy
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:50 PM
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That's a tough issue for me.
On one hand, it feels like an issue of personal freedom for an individual to live their life how they choose. Trans people have existed for centuries, and I can appreciate a minority group's desire to be recognized by their government. Personally, I can't think of a single time when I've had an issue with a trans person. Like anyone else, if I don't appreciate the opinions or lifestyle that someone is bringing to the table, I can always ignore it without attacking.
On the other hand, I don't think that trans athletes should be allowed to play women's sports without some kind of consideration given over the physical/biological differences that affect fair play. It feels like we could develop a creative solution to allow those folks to participate without creating an unfair advantage. Back in the day, girls wanted to play little league softball but didn't have an outlet for that -- so they started by playing with the boys before eventually separate mens/womens teams evolved out of that. Maybe there's something similar that could be done for trans athletes.
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TigerNet Champion [120848]
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in fairness
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:33 PM
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Most of the country is disappointed, slightly more than half the people who voted are not.
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Paw Warrior [4714]
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In my opinion, the people who didn't vote and are feeling disappointed...
Nov 6, 2024, 1:36 PM
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... should shut their mouths and look in the mirror instead. They had a chance to voice their opinion, and they chose not to.
That's like a student complaining that they didn't get extra credit after they skipped the class where it was offered.
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that is rather harsh
Nov 6, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Considering there were only about 5 states where democrats votes mattered.
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Paw Warrior [4714]
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Maybe I misunderstood your point.
Nov 6, 2024, 1:48 PM
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But yeah, people who abstained from voting complaining about how the vote turned out? Not much sympathy for them.
But that's different from the Democrats in hard-line red states feeling disappointed, if they voted and felt like it didn't matter.
Two different audiences in my opinion.
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Paw Warrior [4848]
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Re: Maybe I misunderstood your point.
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Nov 7, 2024, 12:20 AM
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Would you vote if you knew your vote wouldn’t count because of the state you live in and the electoral college?? It’s a waste of time unless you’re voting for other local races besides the presidency.
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All-Time Great [90432]
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Part of the same reason I abstained.
Nov 7, 2024, 9:09 AM
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I wouldn't have voted for either one of the main candidates, anyway. But SC had already made my decision for me. What was the point of voting?
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Paw Warrior [4714]
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How so? (sincere question)***
Nov 6, 2024, 1:49 PM
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Re: How so? (sincere question)***
Nov 6, 2024, 1:52 PM
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well, you telling people who did not vote to shut up. BTW, Swinney got turned away from the polls in SC, I doubt he was the only one. Should he shut up about not being allowed to vote? how about the people who had to evacuate polling centers in Fulton county due to multiple bomb threats, should they also shut up?
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Paw Warrior [4946]
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Re: How so? (sincere question)***
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Didn’t know that. My son in law got turned away in SC also. He’s voted every cycle. Brought his ID and voter registration card with him. They said he was not on the roll. Then they couldn’t figure out what to do. He told them “I’m voting today and I will not leave until you figure it out”. They finally let him do a provisional ballot. What the heck?? By the way, he’s registered Republican. Don’t think that had anything to do with it though. Just a glitch but that crap is a problem. He was furious and he’s an alpha type so I’m sure there was a scramble to help him.
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TigerNet Icon [151971]
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He's an "alpha type"?
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Nov 6, 2024, 2:28 PM
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You mean a male Karen asshole? That's usually how those males come across.
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Paw Warrior [4946]
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Re: He's an "alpha type"?
Nov 6, 2024, 2:46 PM
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It means he’s a strong , honest and kind man. But he’s not afraid to stand up for what is right. He’s the old school football coach type. He treats his wife (my daughter) like she’s the queen and his children like they are his world. He treats me and my wife with incredibly humble respect and would do anything in this world for us. He’s the epitome of a servant in his church. He’s a high school grad who started at rock bottom in a company and now he’s in management making an amazing income. I could go on but perhaps that answers your question.
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Paw Warrior [4714]
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Apologies -- obviously I wasn't trying to include people who ran into technical
Nov 6, 2024, 3:44 PM
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issues that created obstacles in their voting process. I'm talking about people who flat out decided not to participate in the election and then deciding on the other side of that decision that they're unhappy with the result.
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Re: How so? (sincere question)***
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When Trump "changed" taxes in 2017, I didn't get a raise, but all of a sudden I was paying $8K-$15K MORE per year in taxes. I'm not sure who that tax changed helped, but it wasn't me. I typically won't vote for someone that costs me money, especially at those levels. That, and Trump has proven to be a liar in pretty much everything he says. Add to that, he's just not a good person. Why would I vote for that?
And who was my other choice? Kamala? The one thing I know about one of her favorite topics (DEI), is that it doesn't include me. As an old white male, I'm the problem in her world. How can I vote for THAT?
Who did that leave me to vote for? I have zero faith in either one of them. And my state (SC) was decided for Trump before the election started. My vote was valueless.
My vote for a 3rd party would count almost as much as my post on here does. What's my incentive to vote? Why should I "shut (my) mouth and look in the mirror instead"? What am I looking FOR?
Edit: And I'm not complaining about the winner; that's pointless when you want neither one to win.
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Re: How so? (sincere question)***
Nov 6, 2024, 4:58 PM
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Well, Esso®, you asked.
I'm still trying to find out what I should be looking for in the mirror.
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Heisman Winner [83448]
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You really suck at Math.
Nov 6, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Which tracks
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I believe Trump won based upon him addressing the two most
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important issues that the majority of the US middle/lower class were tired of:
1. Inflation and the higher prices for pretty much everything.
2. Border security
Other issues which he addressed:
1. China coming in and flooding the market with electric cars, lithium battery production facilities and buying traditionally American companies.
2. Social security taxes.
3. Energy independence.
4. Abortion for the endangerment to the mother and/or rape.
Granted I am in red-state South Carolina, all I heard from Harris commercials and interviews addressing the middle/lower class was:
1. "Look at our record".
2. No taxes on tips (same promise from Trump).
3. Reproductive rights (heard as abortion to be used as birth control).
Despite what all the democrats want to yell is morality, we regular people have experienced an America under his leadership with lower prices, lower energy prices, and our enemies (China, Russia, and Iran) kept in check.
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How did he address inflation?***
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Track record from his past administration.***
Nov 6, 2024, 3:59 PM
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It was much better than the one's who will be departing in January 2025.
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Nope...that's not an answer***
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Well, why don't you tell me how the opponent was going to handle
Nov 6, 2024, 4:02 PM
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it? Because it sure was out of control under their watch.
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Ultimate Tiger [34885]
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Harris didn't address it well at all...
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:07 PM
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I didn't vote for Harris.
The point is that inflation, primarily, was a worldwide issue mainly driven by supply-chain disruption.
Money supply (spending) and tariffs are the main things government impacted that had any direct impact. Trump and Biden both played their parts in the money supply issue with COVID relief packages that went over board...especially Trump's last one (which he was pushing to be higher) and Biden's.
The tariffs and trade war with China was clearly started by Trump and Biden didn't do much to lessen it, if at all (and increased it on EVs).
And finally, inflation has eased to the point of being close the Fed's target. So, as we sit now, there isn't inflation problem right now to really address...right?
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Re: I believe Trump won based upon him addressing the two most
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It's fascinating how much of what you're saying is GOP talking points...that are complete and utter bullsh!t. I'm not even mad about it anymore, it's just, I dunno, interesting what a propaganda outlet can sell even when there's plenty of information just a click away on google that disproves just about every bit of this.
1. China coming in and flooding the market with electric cars, lithium battery production facilities and buying traditionally American companies.
Lies, lies, lies, and stupid lies, from top to bottom. China is not "flooding the market" with electric cars...or at least, not the US market. Say what you want about Joe Biden - and I have a lot to say - he was even more anti-China than Trump, which is saying something. BYD, for instance, makes a shockingly well-made electric car called the Seagull that they can literally sell for $11,000...you may notice it isn't being sold here even though it's all over the place in places like Europe, Brazil, and South Africa. But Biden put a 100% tariff on Chinese auto imports and China was well-aware he'd keep raising them until BYD simply wasn't competitive and they haven't even tried to sell it here. As for batteries, yeah, China's got the best and cheapest batteries in the world right now...but the US just discovered the world's largest lithium deposit in a cauldera in Nevada and there's a ton of other sources of cheap lithium developing in the US. Biden also cut a massive trade deal with Australia for cobalt and nickel, key components in battery and solar production. I don't know what else you could really ask of the man. As far as "buying traditionally American companies", again, BS. China's model is increasingly to keep their capital at home and putting their FDI into the US has plummeted.
2. Social Security taxes.
Social security has always been taxed. Not taxing it would cost the US about $1.8 trillion by 2035, and successfully kill off Social Security and Medicare years earlier than they would have...and they're already on track to go insolvent because there's so many Boomers hitting retirement. I know you Boomers don't care, but the rest of us assuredly do. You've done enough damage to the future already, thanks.
3. Energy independence.
Again and again and again...when you got nothin', flat-out lie. The US isn't just energy independent, we're a net energy exporter now. The US consumes about 19.0 million barrels of oil a day...and exports about 4.2 million barrels a day, meaning we're generating a +20% surplus. And the US is producing more oil now than we have at any point in our history.
4. Abortion for the endangerment to the mother and/or rape.
We'll see what Donald does, but he was incredibly proud he got Roe v. Wade knocked down and Donald has a long, long, long history of promising and not delivering - not that you guys notice or care. Is Donald going to stand up to Congress when they propose a national abortion ban? And they're going to. That's when the rubber truly hits the road. My guess would be we'll see some rules technically allowing abortion in "extreme circumstances", but then place such severe restrictions and consequences on the providers it's in essence impossible...which you MAGA's will then lie about while sneering at anyone who complains about it, because, well, that's how you guys roll. Moving the goalposts is practically The MAGA Way.
Again, every bit of that's easily verifiable on google. Not that you'll check. All you'll do is sneer, because that's really your only response to, well, anything.
But apparently it's enough. What is it Mark Twain once said? "The problem with the common man is that he's so blessedly common." I remember once thinking that was incredibly cynical. I don't anymore.
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How did he keep Russia "in check"? The war started in 2014 and happened throughout his entire presidency. He did NOTHING to stop it. 😆
Immigration at the Southern border exploded in 2019 under his watch. 😆
We are pumping more oil now than we were during the Trump years. 😆
How did Trump address inflation? Waiting. 😆
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Meh, I'm disappointed whoever won.
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Same in 2020.
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Hey ESSO..how bout Bidens crazy decision-making..?
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:16 PM
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And unfitness for office which we Trumpsters had to endure for 4 freaking years Man!
Saying, Com’on Man!
It’s our turn now, again~
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Re: Hey ESSO..how bout Bidens crazy decision-making..?
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On the other hand, Trump seems unfit for office as well. I bet it will be a wild ride with him over the next 4 years.
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