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Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 10:28 AM
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I think Cooper is gonna have a great spring game this year. Really hope for no red shirt for him. Not confident in Bryant or Tucker with our offense. Any one else think coop will be our starter after #4?
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Re: Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 10:30 AM
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agree that cooper has the most potential
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Clemson Icon [24077]
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Nop RS for Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 10:33 AM
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Almost to the point where redshirting him could hurt with the 2 17 QB commits.
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Re: Nop RS for Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 10:50 AM
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If he was an EE I could see him getting out of a redshirt, but with limited knowledge of the playbook he will probably be 4th string at best so reps will already be limited in practice. Really no point in wasting a year of eligibility.
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which cooper is going to be in the spring game?***
Feb 14, 2016, 10:40 AM
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Talking qbs cuz******
Feb 14, 2016, 10:46 AM
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go on...
Feb 14, 2016, 10:49 AM
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i'm listening.
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Was Cooper an early enrolee?**
Feb 14, 2016, 10:50 AM
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nm
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it's a slow process, but lowspark is working though it.***
Feb 14, 2016, 10:52 AM
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Re: it's a slow process, but lowspark is working though it.***
Feb 14, 2016, 11:05 AM
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Check yourself yankee coot********************************************
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that's two more strikes, but at least you went down...
Feb 14, 2016, 11:08 AM
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swinging.
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Re: that's two more strikes, but at least you went down...
Feb 14, 2016, 11:58 AM
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maybe he smells the Pennsylvania mainline on you
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chesnut hill, chitown, bergen & essex counties too...
Feb 14, 2016, 12:17 PM
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not to mention, captain of the fire brigade & chairman of the nonpartisan anti-chinese league... a man of many parts.
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Re: so, about that great spring game this year?
Feb 14, 2016, 11:07 AM
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Hell yeah! Forgive my previous reply ?
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it's all good my man.***
Feb 14, 2016, 11:08 AM
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Re: so, about that great spring game this year?
Feb 15, 2016, 11:21 AM
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Man that was rockin! Little bit of everything. Tunes for my road trip today.. Thanks dude...
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How good has Cooper looked in practice? How well is he
Feb 14, 2016, 11:16 AM
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picking up the offense? How much better has he looked compared to Israel and Bryant?
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Amazing how well people keep up with what's going on.
Feb 14, 2016, 11:21 AM
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Nm
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What's amazing is how somebody can evaluate Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 2:43 PM
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base solely on youtube highlight clips from HS, without him having set foot on campus much less actually competing against his competition or even practicing at this level, and then go so far as projecting him to be the number 1 back-up and eventual starter.
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Re: What's amazing is how somebody can evaluate Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 2:57 PM
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Well, yeah...it's a discussion brotatoe chip.
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I understand, and that's fine, Teddy Brosevelt.
Feb 14, 2016, 4:08 PM
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Your opinion is respected. To me, Cooper looks fantastic on film. Based on that, I too expect him to compete. I just think we're getting the cart way ahead of the horse when we start projecting him as a starter when we already have guys here who are very talented themselves, and we underestimate the value of the experience they have at this level and in our system. To me, it's a classic case of the overly optimistic belief that the back-up (or the new guy) is somehow better than the guy we have, especially if the guy we have isn't living up (yet) to what may be unrealistic expectations. That's just my humble opinion.
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Re: What's amazing is how somebody can evaluate Cooper
Feb 15, 2016, 8:46 AM
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His highlights prove he has the most upside of the 3 that will battle after DW leaves. Streeter says he has the most upside. Pretty sure he will start his Sophmore year. You can play stupid all you want acting like this is not true but we all know he will beat Tucker and Kelly.
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Re: What's amazing is how somebody can evaluate Cooper
Feb 15, 2016, 9:01 AM
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This is a good problem to have, almost surreal when our backup choices were the likes of 3 and out Stoudt. At least if Dw4 goes out we know the season isn't over
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Re: What's amazing is how somebody can evaluate Cooper
Feb 15, 2016, 11:25 AM
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Yes all 3 were much better coming out of HS than Stoudt. Tho with our co-oc's Stoudt proved he could manage a game. The Chad put him in plays he couldn't make. Zerrick Cooper is a better passer his senior year that DW was IMO and that is high praise. DW just has that it factor and he is a winner and born with whatever it is that makes you great at football. Lets hope Cooper is more the same than we think! I love KB and TI I just think ZC is better. Hopefully we find a way to get KB the ball though he is a great runner.
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Oddly,
Feb 15, 2016, 12:17 PM
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Isreal and Bryant had much better passing statistics their senior years.
Maybe Cooper's arm is like Patrick Sapp's (old folks will understand)?
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Re: Oddly,
Feb 15, 2016, 12:47 PM
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How is that odd?? You can have good stats in high school that doesn't mean you throw the ball at an NFL standard. Any pro scout would tell you Cooper ha a much better arm and ability to pass the ball than Bryant. Now TI can sling the rock pretty dang good but I would say Cooper has the better arm. He looks alot like a young Famous Jameis Winston.
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Re: Oddly,
Feb 15, 2016, 3:15 PM
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> How is that odd?? You can have good stats in high
> school that doesn't mean you throw the ball at an NFL
> standard. Any pro scout would tell you Cooper ha a
> much better arm and ability to pass the ball than
> Bryant. Now TI can sling the rock pretty dang good
> but I would say Cooper has the better arm. He looks
> alot like a young Famous Jameis Winston.
Number 1 - they aren't playing in the NFL.
And you learned all that from a high school highlight video?
Passing Senior Year
Passing YDs 2039 TDs 21 Comp 161 Att 267 Int 4 PCT. .603
Passing YDs 4446 TDs 56 Comp 327 Att 407 Int 11 PCT. .674
Passing YDs 3570 TDs 41 Comp 231 Att 368 Int 10 PCT. .628
Rushing Senior Year
Yards 359
Yards 478 AVE 6.4 TDs 4
Yards 720 AVE 5.6 TDs 14
You figure out who's who.
You have stated that Cooper has, BY FAR, a much higher potential than two players that have been in the system for over a year and have much better high school stats against comparable competition.
As I said, Patrick Sapp had one of the strongest arms in Clemson history, and they converted him to a defensive end.
I'll let the coaches figure it out. They know more BY FAR.
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Exactly. Well said.***
Feb 15, 2016, 3:48 PM
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Highlights don't prove anything except how good
Feb 15, 2016, 1:20 PM
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Re: Highlights don't prove anything except how good
Feb 15, 2016, 1:56 PM
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People said similar things about Deshaun Watson, so how is that absurd???
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People said that about Mike Bellamy.
Feb 15, 2016, 2:26 PM
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And Tyshon Dye. And countless other guys. That's why it's absurd. Surely, pray to God, you understand that.
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Re: Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 11:55 AM
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I got ganged on for saying the same thing. Cooper will start after DW leaves no doubt IMO.
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Z. Cooper has by FAR the highest ceiling of the 3 backups.***
Feb 14, 2016, 12:01 PM
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Re: Z. Cooper has by FAR the highest ceiling of the 3 backups.***
Feb 14, 2016, 5:04 PM
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Some people would disagree. Most everyone would disagree on the BY FAR!
Bryant is bigger, stronger and faster. Bryant has a full year in the Clemson system and Bryant had better high school stats - even the senior years. Both were rated as 5.8 by Rivals.
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Re: Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 12:41 PM
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Cooper seems to have a lot of upside for sure, but it would be difficult at best to see him beating anyone currently on the team for the #2 Spot. While the jury is still out on Bryant when he drops back to pass, he will have the edge in the playboy one would imagine. NS should know it inside and backwards and we have zero idea on Tucker Israel except he set the state of Florida on fire himself and has playboy knowledge as well. All that said, I'm very interested in seeing what TI brings to the table. I would imagine if he is stuck at #3 after spring ball he would be looking to transfer. Just my opinion, however with Cooper and the potential inbound guys, it would be his best move if he wants to play.
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Re: Cooper
Feb 14, 2016, 12:43 PM
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Playbook, not Playboy. Darn auto-correct. Not like Playboy even exists hardly any more.
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I think Tucker Israel is going to shock a lot of people
Feb 15, 2016, 5:32 PM
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You don't set the all-time passing record for
the state of Florida, playing at a 7A highschool (Lake Nona) and pass for 4446 yds and 56 TD's his senior year 'cause you're a slouch.
He's had a whole year to prepare, I think he's going to be real competition for Kelly Bryant for #2.
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