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NET Rankings are crazy........
Feb 13, 2025, 11:50 AM
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Ohio State moved up two spots after beating Washington, which was 12-11 and #92 in the NET rankings.
Clemson moved up three spots after beating #2 Duke!! WTH!!
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Re: NET Rankings are crazy........
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Feb 13, 2025, 11:58 AM
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The rankings are adjusted based on everything that happens every day. Yes, Ohio St beat Washington. But there were over 40 games played yesterday...all of those have impacts on the rankings.
To me, the biggest mystery is still "where does the first ranking come from". When an entire conference is rated highly at the start of the year, their teams will remain highly ranked all year since every loss is a bad loss. That's why South Carolina has been 90th for weeks and weeks despite losing 11 games in a row.
The initial ranking is flawed. And that causes impacts all season long.
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Re: NET Rankings are crazy........
Feb 13, 2025, 12:06 PM
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yeppers, the ol' subjective subroutine seems to always apply.
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Re: NET Rankings are crazy........
Feb 13, 2025, 12:38 PM
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It seems like it’s the same as the old BCS system. It rewards the so called best conference.
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Thinking a lot of those SEC weren't so high to begin with but then got
Feb 13, 2025, 12:42 PM
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a huge boost in the ACC-SEC challenge as well as other December and November games.
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Re: Thinking a lot of those SEC weren't so high to begin with but then got
Feb 13, 2025, 12:50 PM
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But, why? How does a computer know in November that Clemson is better or worse than DePaul? What's a better win, beating Syracuse or beating Vanderbilt?
The rankings have to have a starting point, and nobody has been able to explain what that starting point is.
It's like giving Georgia Tech credit for a top-10 football win last year because they beat FSU in the first game of the year, when people though FSU was good. The NET algorithm rewards that all season long, which would keep GT's rating inflated and in turn inflate them as an opponent for everyone on their schedule.
That's what is happening in the SEC. But again...why? Does someone set the SEC at the top of the conference rankings prior to the first NET calculation?
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I would imagine the starting point is related to the previous season
Feb 13, 2025, 1:03 PM
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Not perfect but can’t start at 0
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Re: I would imagine the starting point is related to the previous season
Feb 13, 2025, 1:06 PM
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Which is ridiculous. The ratings were flawed last year, so they are just perpetuating that flaw forever.
Also, roster turnover is huge. If Clemson wins the NCAAT this year, the NET shouldn't reward that next year while we lose 4/5 of our starting lineup.
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Yeah I understand the NET rankings somewhat because
Feb 13, 2025, 12:47 PM
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College tennis goes the same thing for their rankings and use it instead of polls. So I get the concept of the entire season making impact after games rather than just 1 game.
But the tennis rankings are way more transparent than the NET. Like you can do them on your own and it’s pretty easily figured out by strength of wins divided by loss points.
NET is like a secretive mess that factors in margin of victory way too much
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Re: NET Rankings are crazy........
Feb 13, 2025, 12:39 PM
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Winning is the important thing and the seeds will take care of themselves. What you have to remember is there are 68 teams in the dance and at least 40 and maybe 50 that could win or lose any game and that is just basketball in the land of 3 point shots.
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Our issue right now with Net ranking...
Feb 13, 2025, 12:45 PM
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Is losing that Quad 3 game against GT. If that hadn't happened, you would have seen a bigger jump after beating Duke.
Only Baylor is ranked higher with a Q3 loss right ahead of us at 28.
We won't get much higher with our schedule the rest of the way.
Need to win out in ACC though.
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Re: Our issue right now with Net ranking...
Feb 13, 2025, 12:51 PM
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Any chance Tech can move up a little?
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Re: Our issue right now with Net ranking...
Feb 13, 2025, 12:59 PM
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Very very unlikely. They would have to climb 42 spots. That's probably impossible this late in the season. They do have 2 quad 1 games at Pitt and at Wake, but I don't think that's enough to jump 40+ spots.
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Clemson also lost to Georgia Tech, bad loss
Feb 13, 2025, 1:00 PM
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followed by an awesome win over Duke.
NET really is hard to figure out, but you gotta win the games you should win and not lose at home to bad teams. It happens, but your reason can be found in the outcome of games, they all matter.
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