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Ring of Honor [21656]
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Intrestin'
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Nov 28, 2023, 10:44 AM
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It's always fascinating when the bellweather moneymen put their billions up somewhere new...and the GOP's kingmakers, the Kochs, just did exactly that: they put it on Nikki Haley. This is large.
I'm definitely starting to think Nikki Haley is going to emerge as the prohibitive favorite against both Biden and Trump. A ton of America is desperate for somebody, anybody, who is not one of those two. Even if she doesn't secure the GOP nomination, No Labels is lurking around, can get someone on the ballot in all 50 states, and is looking for a pony to run - and I can promise you Joe Manchin likely does not excite them. Haley absolutely would. They'd be delighted if she fell to them.
So she doesn't even really need to beat Trump in the primary, IMHO. She just has to show well and she will, IMHO. In a two-way race against Biden, every poll shows Haley clubbing Joe like a baby seal. In a three-way race against Biden and Trump, she'd need to get probably just over 35 or 36 per cent of the vote and my suspicion is she'd easily get 40+. Biden and Trump are old, have more collective baggage than LaGuardia Airport, and are leaving the center lane so wide open a guy on a mule could likely win this particular horse race.
She just needed money to get on the stage with two of the most flawed candidates America has produced in recent memory...against whom she'll likely look like a towering icon of common sense and adulthood. And the Kochs and their seemingly infinite billions are pretty much guaranteeing she'll be on the stage, one way or another.
Could we be looking at a Clemson gal as our next president? It definitely seems to have entered the realm of possibility.
https://www.ft.com/content/c3dd08d2-22da-47dd-af05-742b943e3564
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Re: Intrestin'
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Nov 28, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Shes likely gonna be the next Jeb Bush where the GOP "kingmakers" spend a fortune for her to go nowhere. I do agree she would be a better choice than Biden but so would Jeb Bush and he's sitting at home, despite the kingmakers wanting him elected.
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But not a better choice than Trump, because...why?
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Nov 28, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Lack of 5th grade insults and nicknames that appeal to the lowest common denominator? Not petty enough? What makes her not as good as Trump for a normal adult?
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Campus Hero [13551]
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She's a warmongering neocon.***
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Nov 28, 2023, 5:36 PM
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All-Time Great [90469]
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Do you even know what a "neocon" is?
Nov 29, 2023, 10:42 AM
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I'll let you describe which war she got us into, or even wanted to.
Go ahead.
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Oculus Spirit [42105]
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I'm scared to get optimistic.***
Nov 28, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Paw Master [17154]
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She's better for business than the others***
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Nov 28, 2023, 11:02 AM
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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And the State wins... Not SC, the "Deep" one.***
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Nov 28, 2023, 1:21 PM
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Campus Hero [13551]
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she has no chance.***
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Nov 28, 2023, 5:35 PM
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Campus Hero [13336]
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She's the other WEF candidate.
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Nov 28, 2023, 6:18 PM
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Which is to say she can't win the conservative vote.
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All-Time Great [90469]
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What conservative vote?
Nov 29, 2023, 10:43 AM
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You mean the ones that voted for Trump?
You do understand he isn't a conservative, right?
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The Supreme Court
Nov 29, 2023, 3:24 PM
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says hello.
He was an easy choice vs Hillary and Biden
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her GOP died in iraq
Nov 28, 2023, 7:46 PM
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she knows it too, just in for the cash
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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For Haley to have any chance of winning the nomination the
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Nov 28, 2023, 8:48 PM
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GOP has to clear the decks of all the other candidates to reduce the field to just Haley and Trump very early in the Primary process. With all the other bloated egos involved that is probably unlikely.
Even if Haley wins the GOP nomination, I don't see Trump stopping. He will go third party as he sees the Presidency as his only path to staying out of the pokey. Maybe he would drop out if Haley somehow wins the nomination and gives him certain pardon guarantees should she win the Presidency but I highly doubt he would trust anyone other than himself with his freedom.
One thing seems almost assured - this coming Presidential election cycle is setting up to be the biggest shittshow in the history of US political shittshows. Truthfully I'm dreading the coming political season because our politics infects everything these days. It's bad enough during a normal political cycle - but this coming shittshow is going to be epically bad...
The 2024 election could end up with Biden, Haley, Trump, and Kennedy on the ballot. If that is the case we will probably have President Biden part two because Trump would take his base with him and I just don't see enough Democrats turning from their Party (not that they are jazzed about voting for Biden) to vote for Haley to make up the difference to where she could win. Democrats may not like Biden but they would vote for him due to their fear of Trump somehow coming out on top if they don't stay with the Democratic candidate. In a Haley vs Biden match - our Clemson gal would crush his crooked, decrepit old a.s.s but I'm not seeing that being the final ballot choice at this point.
I just don't see a real path to a 2024 Republican Presidential victory right now. Trump is hated by at least half the country and that half will see to it that the Democrats win the Presidency. Combine the Trump hate with Rona McDaniel's abysmal record of organizing and running the RNC where the RNC has done very little to establish a massive targeted mail-in ballot/early voting game and things just don't look good for 2024.
IMO, about the best Republicans can hope for in 2024 is to keep control of at least one chamber of Congress. Maintain a do-nothing divided Government for the next 4 years and stop most of the radical leftist garbage from being enacted.
The only good news is that one way or another, 2024 will be Trump's last election cycle. He will either win the Presidency (unlikely IMO) or be a tremendously damaged 2-time Presidential candidate loser that is too old to make another run (if he isn't in jail) in 2028. I just hope our country survives the coming fiscal cliff and all out assault by the radical left on our Constitutional Republic to make it to a 2028 Presidential election...
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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"Clear the deck"...? More like clear the 'beached' with Christie Creme.
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Nov 29, 2023, 12:46 AM
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"Save the Whales!" By the way, what's the gig on those offshore NJ windmills?
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Christie likes to talk tough but is just another Republican Inc. squish
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:10 AM
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I would say his constant modus operandi is to talk with an alligator mouth while possessing a hummingbird a.s.s but obviously his a.s.s is almost as large as the state of NJ. Typical Republican Inc. squish that loves the CNN scene, gave us that bumbling fool at the FBI - Christopher Wray (Trump was dumb enough to take Christie's recommendation), and has an ego larger than his waistline which is why I doubt he drops out.
It is amazing to me how self-unaware some of these Republican Inc. folks really are. Guys like Christie and Hutchinson have no clue how much they are despised by most Conservative voters. They fail to realize that Republican Inc. is a dying breed whose DC circle jerks no longer hold sway over the majority of Republican voters. The all talk but do nothing, go along to get along Bush family and Bill Kristol Republican Party is all but dead outside of DC and their cocktail party circuit. They seem to think that once Trump is gone things will simply go back to the way they were - boy are they mistaken...
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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The Bush and Kristol Pubs of PNAC fame that gave us Afghan/Iraq wars...
Nov 29, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Where's Prick Cheney...?
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Re: For Haley to have any chance of winning the nomination the
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The 2024 election could end up with Biden, Haley, Trump, and Kennedy on the ballot. If that is the case we will probably have President Biden part two because Trump would take his base with him and I just don't see enough Democrats turning from their Party (not that they are jazzed about voting for Biden) to vote for Haley to make up the difference to where she could win.
If Trump could be removed from the equation, Nikki easily rakes in the independent vote and cruises to the White House. GOP probably picks up more Congressional seats as well with a Trumpist purge.
But as you said, Trump probably have no problem taking a wrecking ball to it all by running third party. And then, yeah, sadly, it's Biden for another term.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Agree. But at this point about the only way I see having a Haley vs Biden
Nov 29, 2023, 8:34 AM
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ballot is if that which eventually comes for us all takes Trump off the board.
And before the Trump drones or Secret Service come after me, I'm not suggesting anything other than Trump dying from natural causes. The man will be 78 next summer so it is not completely out of the realm of possibility though I think it not probable.
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At the end of the day, she has to clear the idiocy...
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:46 AM
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That has taken over the GOP with Trump, and that doesn't look great at the moment. She would win easily in the general election but doesn't check the crazy box for the primaries, which highlights why our primary system is part of the problem.
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Re: One of the first Primaries. Yikes
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Nov 29, 2023, 9:18 AM
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There’s still time. I don’t think I’ll give her any money, but I’ll vote for Nikki in the primary. God willing she can coalesce the remaining sane adults in this country. Oh wait sorry, this is Tnet P&R, hopefully she can coalesce the remaining RINO fake conservative globalists.
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Trump is +40 in almost every poll. The GOP will not shake him and
Nov 29, 2023, 10:30 AM
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they will get routed in 11 months.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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But... Trump has never gotten above 50 and rarely climbs above 45 which means
Nov 29, 2023, 11:06 AM
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he may have a plurality in a crowded field of candidates but there are about 55% or more not supporting him right now.
If the Republicans can quickly narrow the field down to Trump and only one other GOP candidate Trump may very well lose the overall nomination. Trump wants a crowded field because it is to his advantage - just as it was in 2016.
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Game Changer [1938]
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A large percentage of the country, and a very large
Nov 29, 2023, 12:38 PM
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percentage of the Republican Party worship Trump, and will blindly support him. He could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. Nikki would be fantastic, but unfortunately the GOP is the party of MAGA now, and Trump is their savior. She will not pull enough support from the Dems to win as an independent.
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