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Mange morons would jump on train to helll if it ran away
May 13, 2012, 10:01 AM
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from Chapel Hill.
Last night they followed FSU BOT Chair to helll based on total incorrect bs.
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Well...
May 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Would you expect any different from Litefoot? That dude's always got a lit torch and pitchfork in hand.
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Love that guy.***
May 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
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He definitely hates osamaswofford!
May 13, 2012, 10:50 AM
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May 13, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Honestly, I'd consider buying a ticket. Joe, do you really
May 13, 2012, 10:37 AM
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think we're better off in the ACC than the Big 12?
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I do. The ACC just needs better leadership.
May 13, 2012, 10:46 AM
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I don't see many benefits of being in the Big 12 which has recently lost members, has one school running the conference, and moves us geographically. It's a lateral move at best with the same problems.
If the ACC got rid of Swofford and brought in a commissioner from outside who was more aggressive and proactive the ACC would be a better conference.
Now if the Big 12 decided to raid deeper in the ACC and move to 16 with East/West divisions I might feel differently.
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Yea, and having a former UNC football QB as Commisioner
May 13, 2012, 10:54 AM
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just invites too much paranoia from other schools fans especially Duke's.
I love the additions of BC, Miami, VT, 'Cuse, and Pitt, and I don't see how we could have been more proactive.
I can't think of any other schools I'd want aside from USC(not real one) and UGA, and that ain't going to happen.
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I agree that there's more paranoia than reality, but...
May 13, 2012, 11:07 AM
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the current ACC leadership is just not current in it's overall mentality. The ACC has been proactive in realignment but horribly behind in marketing and PR. The ACC has to get beyond following the status quo.
I'd add Notre Dame and Connecticut in a heartbeat. And yes, I believe both would come. I also think that NBC would love to have the ACC, especially if they could get some basketball from it.
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ND taking a pay cut?***
May 13, 2012, 11:11 AM
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The landscape has changed...
May 13, 2012, 11:16 AM
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I don't think the money will remain as a football independent.
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I don't either but they have hoared out a half-azzed
May 13, 2012, 11:18 AM
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football team and they'll go to the highest bidder.
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I think that's just it...
May 13, 2012, 3:50 PM
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The assumption is win and everything else will fall into place.
People talk about national exposure, but the biggest failing of the ACC is a lack of interest within the region. Greater TV exposure has allowed viewers within the ACC geography to watch other regions. The ACC needs to do a better job of gaining attention within the region, I think it's where relevance begins.
The idea within the ACC is that a few schools can carry the brand in each sport. The conference needs to sell itself from top to bottom, not just expect FSU/VT or UNC/Duke to carry the brand. What the SEC did was very intentional, they sold the SEC brand within the region and to the fans first and then it carried nationally. We may hate the SEC cheerleading but it equals success both on the field and on the bottom line.
The ACC appears to want to push individual school brands rather than a conference brand.
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Sickening that FSU/VT are the "go to" football
May 13, 2012, 4:04 PM
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Schools in the ACC. Well......until last year. But last year is just bullchit after what we pulled in the Org Bowl.
I would have rather beat the Chickens and gone to a second tier bowl than win the ACC and get mauled in the Org.
Mangey post, but at least I won't get 1000 TD here.
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I completely agree with this
May 13, 2012, 10:55 AM
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But do you honestly think that John Swofford is going to give up his stranglehold as commissioner? Or that North Carolina schools would be on board with replacing their biggest ally?
Just as the new Big 12 commissioner is currently riding the Texas coattails despite not being a "Texas man", it'd be hard for a new commissioner to step in and not cater to Tobacco Road. That's where the power is concentrated.
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I think FSU, GT, and CU were instrumental in expansion.
May 13, 2012, 11:08 AM
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I think the power exists to influence the league, they just need to work together.
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No, they weren't.***
May 13, 2012, 12:27 PM
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FSU and Miami ADs got ball Rollin'.***
May 13, 2012, 4:46 PM
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Agreed. Swofford as commish is totally unacceptable,
May 13, 2012, 11:32 AM
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however, and that is reason enough to make me want to make a move.
Having said that, my preference would be to get a commish from the outside, one who could get the ACC on equal footing with other power conferences.
I also think it is imperative, and inextricably linked, that we must have a fair, legitimate playoff in football that would give non-traditional powers a shot and reward actual on-field performance and not allow Big Money and media machines alone to determine who has a chance.
I'd much rather stay in the ACC under those circumstances; but if that doesn't happen, then I'd favor looking at other options.
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Then let me ask you this - do you put on your resume that
May 13, 2012, 12:23 PM
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you graduated from a school that is in the same conference with Duke and UVA?
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No, and that's why I said ACC is better even for a football
May 13, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Club.
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And I'd really like to hear your argument why we're better
May 13, 2012, 12:50 PM
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off in the ACC.
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Football only argument (not even going to bring up the
May 13, 2012, 1:12 PM
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academic or basektball arguments or if moving kills our basketball recruiting):
1. Traditional rivalries against schools I love to hate and love beating.
2. Recuiting: Does moving hurt our football recruiting in states like NC, SC, GA, FL...our base, and I think it does.
3. Travel to places I could care less about traveling too other than Austin.
4. Travel is too far for most away games and could be a disadvantage.
5. We helped form the ACC.
6. It's weird thinking about.
7. Okay, one basketball argument: We've never won the ACC. I want to do that.
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Fair enough. Allow me to retort.
May 13, 2012, 1:31 PM
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1. Traditional rivalries against schools I love to hate and love beating.
If you really hate them, then #### them by killing the ACC as a viable football conference. We had traditional rivalries against Furman and others in the SoCon, too. We were better off for leaving/creating a stronger conference.
2. Recuiting: Does moving hurt our football recruiting in states like NC, SC, GA, FL...our base, and I think it does.
If we leave for a stronger football conference, that helps us. We'll continue to recruit SC well, because we're here. If GT and FSU come with us, we'll continue to do well there, and maybe improve thanks to stronger conference play and more exposure. NC? Maybe we take a dip there, but maybe we improve there with the deteriorating ACC, improved conference play and exposure, and MORE MONEY.
3. Travel to places I could care less about traveling too other than Austin.
So I'll put you down for trips to Winston Salem and Durham as better than trips to Norman and Morgantown.
4. Travel is too far for most away games and could be a disadvantage.
meh. seriously, meh. Boston, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Miami.
5. We helped form the ACC.
And how has the ACC treated us?
6. It's weird thinking about.
You'll adjust.
7. Okay, one basketball argument: We've never won the ACC. I want to do that.
We could be here another 100 years and it still won't happen.
What it comes down to is an emotion for you, and I understand that. But ultimately, the Big 12 is logically the BEST thing Clemson can do for itself, short of getting an SEC invite, which isn't going to happen.
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What has the ACC done to us? Be very specific.***
May 13, 2012, 2:29 PM
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probation add on
May 13, 2012, 2:41 PM
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most will never get over that
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But you and I agree, that's just dumb.***
May 13, 2012, 3:34 PM
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joo get my tmale about the extra year***
May 13, 2012, 3:35 PM
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Yea***
May 13, 2012, 4:20 PM
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9 conference games in football.
May 13, 2012, 3:13 PM
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Additional penalties in 1981.
###### TV contract that gave Raycom 3rd Tier because Swofford's son works there.
Is that specific enough?
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Observation:
May 13, 2012, 3:28 PM
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I am an idiot in this inject, but wanted to add something.
Remember when ESPN was all about Souther Cal? They started winning, getting tons of attention/money.
Then it was Florida.. Attention/money and success came their way.
Then it was Oregon. Seems like every y or gameday segment was about them. Money/attention gained them a very successful program.
Now it is the Gamechickens. Replaying their spring game over and over. Money/attention going their way. Success has been evident. (despite the mange retarded denial)
Frustrates me how ESPN can dictate so much by their coverage. And really they are a ### monopoly in sports broadcasting so you don't have a choice.
Just my rant.
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Chicken or egg?***
May 13, 2012, 3:36 PM
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The Raycom deal gives football schools less money, as we
May 13, 2012, 3:40 PM
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will not control our own Third Tier rights, unlike individual teams in the Big XII and the SEC.
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And in my mind, the 9 conference games is as bad, if not
May 13, 2012, 3:41 PM
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worse, than the probation 30 years ago.
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No, but we could sell the rights to Clemson v. Wofford,
May 13, 2012, 5:02 PM
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Furman, et al. The old farts that don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks to drive up for these crappy games would probably be willing to spend $10 to watch it at home. Certainly, those that live outside of driving distance and don't have ESPN3 would be willing to pay.
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I think it hinges on what FSU does
May 13, 2012, 10:52 AM
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If Florida State (and, by some media reports, Miami) stay put, I really have no problem staying in the ACC. Sure, the conference big wigs protect the NC schools, but it won't be any better in the Big 12 with Texas. On paper, it's easier to recruit, win, etc where we are.
However, if FSU takes its national brand and leaves, the ACC begins teetering on the edge of becoming the next installment of the Big East. As much as the Mange wants to believe it, Clemson being the top dog in football isn't going to carry a conference. Same can be said for Virginia Tech. In that instance, Clemson has to consider looking for a new home. Do we really want to be in the same position as Louisville or Rutgers in 5-10 years?
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I don't think FSU goes anywhere.
May 13, 2012, 10:59 AM
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Or that it's even a possibility. What is happening (or should be happening) is asserting power within the ACC. This is not about an individual school's brand but the lack of an ACC brand. The ACC is still operating under an outdated mindset. We needs some new blood with fresh ideas.
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There are many factors involved in FSU leaving.
May 13, 2012, 11:06 AM
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It might open Florida to Big XII recruiting. If it does nothing would change if we decided to go with them. We'd still have the same recruiting pitch as they. If we don't we'd be disadvantaged in recruiting against them.
If they leave revenues will diminish for Clemson if nothing less than filling Death Valley on that Saturday every other year.
If they leave we will feel it.
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I don't agree athletically...
May 13, 2012, 1:42 PM
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as far as influence, though, I do agree
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And this is really what it comes down to. The ACC is on its
May 13, 2012, 12:38 PM
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way to becoming the Mountain West with good basketball.
In the article with with FSU BOT chairman yesterday, some interesting numbers were put together comparing the SEC's anticipated new TV deal with the ACC's newly inked deal.
ACC - 17M/year, 16 years
SEC - 25M/year
Assuming that neither deal changes over the length of the contract, that means each SEC team will make $128M more over that 16 year period.
Allow me to make that a little more relevant to us - THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA WILL MAKE $128,000,000 MORE THAN CLEMSON OVER THE 16 YEAR PERIOD OF THE CURRENT ACC TV DEAL. They already have a huge recruiting advantage over us simply by virtue of respective conference memberships; now imagine what they can do with that PLUS $128M more than we have.
Now, if FSU leaves for the Big 12 - which is a very real possibility, despite what a lot of you think - the ACC TV compensation will be lowered. IF FSU leaves, yes, we'll be the big fish in the little pond. And that little pond will be on par with the Conference USA for football.
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Can I get a ticket on stubhub or do I wait in line?
May 13, 2012, 11:19 AM
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See there, now you've hurt my feelings.
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I'm with you fellas.***
May 13, 2012, 12:59 PM
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much rather be in ACC than Big 12
May 13, 2012, 1:40 PM
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Not that I think we're moving conferences, but I can't see why we'd want to move to the Big 12 from the ACC. As I surmised last year when all this talk was happening, the ACC was much more likely to be one of the conferences adding teams than giving teams up. Why would we want to move to a conference that's been having to do everything it could to keep from bleeding its best football teams?
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