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Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 10:13 AM
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Can you at least admit that brownell has by far the highest expectations of any clemson basketball coach all time? There is not a single coach in clemson basketball history that comes close to the expectations that you all put on our tiger team year in and year out.
Can you admit that at least a small part of these expectations are due to the coaching staff and players that brownell brought in? In order to have these high of expectations, brownell has to have done something right.
Can you admit that your expectations also are significantly influenced by the fact that brownell did not have a successful first 7 years, so you expect more out of the team to prove his worth? When you start doing that, your "expectations" dont match up with reality. The expectation from a large group of our fans was to win the ACC. Going into the tournament, betting odds showed we had about a 20% chance to win the tournament. This is classic clemson fans being delusional.
Dont get me wrong, i would love to win the ACC and make a deep tourney run every year, but if we dont, i am not going to declare that season a failure. Especially when that season sets program records and ends with a top 12 ranking.
The ending of this season sucked, but i am already looking forward to next year! Portal season is upon us.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 10:16 AM
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I feel like I’m an honest guy but by far no hater of any thing Clemson related! Looking forward to next season as well!
Some folks are just really frustrated right now!
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 10:18 AM
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You are correct. We have an above average program with our own legendary above average coach. Set your expectations bar right there and you are content with each season. 🍺 It's really that simple.
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Mar 22, 2025, 11:10 AM
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I think there are 30 or more D1 coaches that could do what Brownell has done at Clemson. A 60% career winning percentage and no ACC titles is not anything special. He has done enough to keep his job
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Mar 22, 2025, 11:36 AM
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This is not a basketball school or recruiting area at all…. It take 3-5 years to turn a program around and it’s an uphill battle for recruits in this area every single year…. I think he’s nearly the best we can get for this program…. This ain’t Duke and never will be ( thank god)…. Just my opinion
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 12:29 PM
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You are 100% spot…We share a conference with 2 of the most storied basketball programs in the history of the sport and the expectation is to out recruit them!? lol.
Flip the logic above for our football program. No one cares about Duke or UNC football just like
No cares about Clemson basketball but us. It’s not an ideal landing spot for most coaches. I think Brad is doing an outstanding job….especially since the expectations are apparently through the roof. No one wants to coach here…#### and enjoy it if we win.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 1:49 PM
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What does that horsecrap have to do with losing to McNeese St?
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Hall of Famer [9002]
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The blind allegiance to this clown show coach is the most baffling thing
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Mar 22, 2025, 7:42 PM
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There is absolutely no logic to it at all. None.
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Re: We are currently a way better program that just above average.***
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Mar 22, 2025, 12:31 PM
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Sorry but results don’t lie . Advancing twice past round 1 in 15 years is not above average
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Tiger Titan [50651]
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I said currently.
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Mar 22, 2025, 3:55 PM
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Some of you are cute for wanting to go back a decade or more to try to prove your lame points. I get it, it makes Dabo look better and Brad look worse, but it’s a feeble attempt at discussing reality.
So, back to my point. We are currently much better than merely above average.
How many high major teams have won over 50 games the last two years?
How many have been in the NCAA Tournament each of the last two years?
How many have finished among the best teams in their conference the last two years?
How many have been ranked in the top 25 after March 1 two years in a row?
We are a good program. We want to get better, but we are absolutely good now.
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We are not above average. 15 years speaks average loud and clear.
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Mar 22, 2025, 3:59 PM
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We feasted on a broken ACC. That was, after all results are in, all we did. Nothing more.
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Oculus Spirit [42275]
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Why do you have to bring Dabo into every conversation.
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Mar 22, 2025, 4:54 PM
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Brad Brownell has no Championships, Dabo has many. If you believe in Brad so much why don’t you separate the two. There is no comparison.
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Tiger Titan [45711]
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Currently Dabo is the reigning ACC champion
Mar 22, 2025, 5:49 PM
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Brad is not.
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Orange Elite [5157]
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If only all of those stat lines came with rings and trophies.
Mar 22, 2025, 5:57 PM
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Re: I said currently.
Mar 22, 2025, 5:58 PM
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Since you say we are a good team. What is your prediction for our season next year?
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Re: I said currently.
Mar 23, 2025, 1:21 PM
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Sounds exactly like Dabo rattling off all of his carefully crafted statistics to demonstrate our status in a specific context.
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Game Changer [1971]
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Re: I said currently.
Mar 23, 2025, 2:01 PM
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There is NO comparison to be made to a MULTIPLE ACC championship and 2 time NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL coach and a basketball coach that has had 15 years at the same school with ZERO championships of any kind!!! Of course he’s the winningest basketball coach because he suckered 15 years out of Clemson!!!
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Why do you think it is wrong?***
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Mar 22, 2025, 3:56 PM
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National Champion [7902]
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If you take Brownells whole body of work into account
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Mar 22, 2025, 1:48 PM
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Clemson basketball is BELOW average. Clemson basketball is MEDIOCRE. In FIFTEEN YEARS he’s failed to build a consistent program. He is a failure as a recruiter. He relies totally on transfers, which worked well for him in 2023; but that ultimately means he cannot build any depth. That was abundantly clear this season.
Brownell made a lot of hay this season beating up on what may well be the worst ACC in college basketball history. His starters managed to beat Duke, but they lose to scrubs like GT and CootU. THAT’S Brownell ball. And next season we’ll likely be back to being a middle of the pack ACC team, struggling to make the NIT (which is FAR more the norm than what has happened in the last two seasons).
Fifteen years… and after losing 70% of our scoring we will likely be back to square one.
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Athletic Dir [1121]
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Re: If you take Brownells whole body of work into account
Mar 22, 2025, 1:51 PM
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All your arguments are based on a level playing field. We beg 5 star recruits to come here but they notify Duke they want to come there.
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So the postseason excuse is that we lost to teams with 5-star players?
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Mar 22, 2025, 4:01 PM
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Odd how McNeese was a 12-seed yet made us look ridiculous.
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Tiger Titan [50651]
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Why does our record 10-15 years ago matter so much to some of you?
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Mar 22, 2025, 4:07 PM
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Big time college athletics is a “what have you done for me lately?” scenario. And lately, Brownell is doing great. He is not perfect, not close, but we just finished a record setting season and some of you are harping on what he did over a decade ago for some weird reason.
I guess it makes sense though, you guys like to focus on what Dabo did last decade as well since focusing on more recent trends don’t help your cause.
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Oculus Spirit [42275]
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Look at me, I dont think Brad is good enough to stand on his own record
Mar 22, 2025, 4:56 PM
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So I’m going to be an idiot and compare him one of the most successful football coaches currently in college football.
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Yep. Hes on pace to be one of the best coaches of all-time.
Mar 22, 2025, 6:08 PM
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And that’s quantifiable.
Brad isn’t even in the same ballpark. Not even the parking lot really.
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Re: Why does our record 10-15 years ago matter so much to some of you?
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Mar 22, 2025, 9:16 PM
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If you are asking that sincerely, then explain why what happened at Clemson prior to 15 years ago still has a relevance to how we judge Brownell?
Also, you can’t just say “record setting season” and ignore the reality of the new ACC. I mean, you can and you do, but it’s ridiculous. If we use Sports References SOS/SRS models we have played the 66th hardest schedule and are 28th in the country. Here is are the seasons we finished higher ranked
Foster 76-77 4th
Foster 77-78 21st
Foster 79-80 8th
Ellis 86-87 14th
Ellis 89-90 23rd
Barnes 96-97 13th
Barnes 97-98 17th
Purnell 06-07 23rd
Purnell 07-08 12th
Purnell 08-09 20th
Purnell 09-10 20th
Brownell 17-18 17th
Brownell 23-24 22nd
This season is not that special and the percentage of time Brownell is achieving these results is dramatically less than those before him. And you can’t constantly harp on facilities and administrators as an excuse when every preceding coach, except Shyatt, achieved better. His best season equates to 17th. Foster, Ellis, Barnes, and Purnell all have better equivalent finishes. There is nothing special about this season or Brownell’s tenure.
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Re: Why does our record 10-15 years ago matter so much to some of you?
Mar 23, 2025, 7:56 AM
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Wait, so now srs/sos numbers are valid from sports reference.
Our SRS ranks this season second best all time. Our SOS is right in the middle of the pack the last 25 years. 13th out of 25 seasons.
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Re: Why does our record 10-15 years ago matter so much to some of you?
Mar 23, 2025, 10:44 AM
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Yes - because I went through and pulled their ranking within each season rather than compare the srs number. It’s right there on the season overview page. It’s still not completely apples to apples but much closer than simply ranking srs against seasons.
Another way of putting this would be that we are the second best relative to the average team in NCAA D1 this year compared to any other Clemson season. But the average is lower, not just in the ACC. There were only 200ish teams when Foster coached. There are 352 now. The overwhelming majority of those are pure slop. Most of what we consider high mid-majors were already in D1.
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Paw Warrior [5045]
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Technically, JK is correct. There are 364 teams , thus we are above average.
Mar 22, 2025, 7:42 PM
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However, when you compare us to the teams we wish to compete with, we are not. Beating a bad ACC does not make us an over average. Did we have a good run last year? Yes. Did we make the tourney this year? Yes. Those 2 things are very nice, but when you lose to sc, Memphis, Boise, and McNeese - are we really above average?
Brownell has done some good things, we are not an easy out. But we are still out. (This year).
For the record, I don’t need a natty to call it successful. But a final 4 like S.C. had a couple of years ago, I would trade a lot of these historical wins this year for that.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 10:23 AM
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Gosh, you convinced me. You spend all morning coming up with this whiny diatribe?
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Game Day Hero [4584]
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You sir have won word of the day!
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diatribe
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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So, we should not have big expectations? I do think that getting into the Tournament and winning a couple of games is not an unreasonable desire and expectation, but what do I know. I don't know, but I think we could get very similar results from a coach at half Brad's salary package, but who knows?
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 10:37 AM
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Oliver Purnell made the ACCT championship game. Please be honest and tell me when Brownell will do that.
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You throw out purnell's best accomplishment which was playing acc conference championship game. Brownell has been to an elite eight and sweet 16.
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Mar 22, 2025, 10:44 AM
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Rick Barnes had Clemson ranked #2 once. When will Brownell achieve that? So much for your argument that Brownell has accomplished more than any other Clemson basketball coach. The main thing that Brownell has done right is somehow retain his Clemson job during an unprecedented decline in ACC basketball.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Rick Barnes had Clemson ranked #2 once. When will Brownell achieve that? So much for your argument that Brownell has accomplished more than any other Clemson basketball coach. The main thing that Brownell has done right is somehow retain his Clemson job during an unprecedented decline in ACC basketball.
Did that Rick Barnes #2 ranked team stay ranked that high at the end of the season?
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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No. But the question was when will Brownell have Clemson ranked #2.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 12:01 PM
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And of course the answer is "Never."
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Tiger Titan [50651]
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You are just randomly choosing things to be critical about.
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Mar 22, 2025, 4:09 PM
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Why is losing in the ACC Tournament championship like Purnell or being ranked #2 during the season like Barnes important to you?
You are anti-Brownell, own it.
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Don’t you and your clown friend give Dabo a hard time about beating up on a weak ACC? Did this basketball team not do the same? And this basketball program has been average for ever. The expectations have never been high, if you think expecting to win the ACC is crazy then we do need a new coach. No one is expecting to win a national championship. But we do not expect to set a record for the least amount of points scored in a tournament half with 13.
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Mar 22, 2025, 11:53 AM
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At least Dabo wins the ACC when it is weak in football. Please tell me how long you are willing to give Brownell that opportunity? IMO, 15 seasons is more than enough time for a coach to prove himself.
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Tiger Titan [50651]
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Dabo should be winning the ACC.
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Mar 22, 2025, 4:11 PM
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Clemson is a football school in a conference with mostly non-football schools. We devote way more resources to football than just about everyone we play.
These advantages are not true for Clemson basketball.
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After this season, it may be safe to say
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that Clemson is also in a conference with mostly non-basketball schools, too.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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It's one crazy person with multiple ids.
If you mean voices in their head by "friend" then maybe...
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Can you hypocrites be honest at all?? If Dabo would’ve lost that game you would’ve been losing your absolute #### trashing him. Maybe one you will all realize that people are going after y’all’s hypocrisy more than BB. Granted there are several who cuck for Dabo on the level yall do for BB but yall are both hypocritical ######## who spend way too much time on the internet. Go touch some ####### grass.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Mar 22, 2025, 11:16 AM
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Dabo has won 2 national championships and a bunch of ACC titles. There is no comparison. Dabo is a hall of gamer and Brad is slightly above average
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Tiger Titan [50651]
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And on the flip side, Dabo has never done more with less like Brad has.
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And Brad has never done less with more like Dabo has.
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Um, Brad has literally never done anything, period.***
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Brownell is the second highest paid coach in the ACC
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and has been here for 15 years and has one tournament run to show for it, no ACC accomplishments, no other NCAA tournament accomplishments. The expectations come from us giving him a chance for so long and paying him so much, that he better at least deliver some kind of performance to justify it. He has not, and has he proven he will not. We can get some other equally mediocre coach in here for a lot less money, who might actually have a chance of developing into a good coach.
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First of all you can shove it with your divisive 'hater' crap.
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It's tired and lame, and only serves to fuel animosity.
Regarding program expectations, they were higher under Ellis, Barnes, and Purnell than they've been for Brad. In Purnell's last season they dipped from an NCAAT standpoint as it became clearer that the press could be solved by quality coaching, which you encounter more in the tournament. I thought a Brad Brownell type hire at the time - defensive minded and a ball control offense over the one trick pony press - would continue our success and position us better for postseasons. Shows what I know.
I admit I was fooled, again, by upping my expectations with Brad as what looked like a very promising season unfolded. Going 1-4 now in one possession games for an abysmal .200 record is more in line and should continue to be the expectation, not hopeful that Brad has somehow miraculously turned that corner. Failing to have your team show up on such a big stage, and having no effectiveness to change the tone among your charges when it becomes obvious, certainly doesn't juice the expectation box either.
Really, with Brad you pretty much just need to admit that high expectations should be avoided. While that may dampen enthusiasm along the way and create a more lackluster environment overall, fans should accept this as the reality and just be thankful whenever something good happens and take it for the gravy that it is over the mediocrity that it's been.
Go Tigers. Wait til next year.
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Spot on, Lou. Spot on.***
Mar 22, 2025, 3:58 PM
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Your words are inflammatory, so you can't have a rational conversation if you
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start it with haters. I don't hate Brad Brownell. I would love to see him succeed because I care more about Clemson basketball and all sports than I do the coach. So, you've already ruined any discourse you're going to have. The regular season was a great success. Not all of it is due to the fact that the ACC is down, but the ACC is down and that's part of that success. We had great wins--Duke, UNC, Kentucky. We had terrible losses--Memphis, USC, Boise State (which is important to seating as these are outside the conference), Georgia tech. I'll easily give him a Georgia Tech and Louisville loss because as you say some losses happen. But when you lose two in a row to end the season, in the ACCT and in the NCAAT, both teams mind you that we COULD HAVE won and as a nod to your comment about expectations SHOULD HAVE won, it's as you said disappointing. And this has happened time and time again. Last year was an amazing finish, and to have built on that would have been great. However, once again, we end the season in a disappointing manner. Can you be honest at all, this is par for the course?
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ok 'You people'
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Hey tiger fans! Please admit that these things that are totally not true at all are actually true! Is that too much to ask?
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Why did you expect to either win the ACC and/or make a deep tournament run?
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Because no ACC coach in the entire history of the league has coached 15 seasons without winning at least a regular season and a tournament title. Brad not only has the tenure but he is now one of the two highest paid coaches in the league (and I’m not sure he doesn’t make more than Scheyer). If you pay a coach and reward him with the terms that correlate to being a championship coach then you should be a championship coach. It’s really not rocket science.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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Thank you for admitting this.
Can you admit that your expectations also are significantly influenced by the fact that brownell did not have a successful first 7 years, so you expect more out of the team to prove his worth? When you start doing that, your "expectations" dont match up with reality.
Anything less than an acc title is a failure for you.
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That doesn’t even make sense. I don’t want more because he did less. He is compensated as though he has done more. I might be frustrated if Brad was make $1-2 million a year on a year-to-year deal and Neff kept him around but I could at least understand the logic. But he has been treated as though he’s one player, one facility upgrade, one assistant away from being an elite coach for years now. And he simply isn’t. So stop treating him like he is. Come up with some bargain price lifetime deal and get it over with or let those of us who want to believe Clemson can be a championship program have a fresh face.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
Mar 22, 2025, 3:06 PM
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That doesn’t even make sense. I don’t want more because he did less. He is compensated as though he has done more. I might be frustrated if Brad was make $1-2 million a year on a year-to-year deal and Neff kept him around but I could at least understand the logic. But he has been treated as though he’s one player, one facility upgrade, one assistant away from being an elite coach for years now. And he simply isn’t. So stop treating him like he is. Come up with some bargain price lifetime deal and get it over with or let those of us who want to believe Clemson can be a championship program have a fresh face.
I disagree. You want to start from scratch and maybe wait three or four years to build it up with new leadership?
they route to go is keep building and trying to get a championship that way when have already accomplished some things.
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There is no precedent that a coach after 15 years suddenly becomes the kind of coach that wins championships. None. The coach is the single most important piece of the puzzle. Brad isn’t that guy. Admit you just want to be “respectable” or move on. I might not agree but it’s lucid and no reason for me to argue. Because yes, the next guy might be worse. But counting wins and trying to make insincere comparisons to previous coaches is ridiculous. The ACC’s membership doesn’t even resemble what any other coach ever faced. Much less how less competitive it is(n’t). Clemson itself is bigger as a brand, the school is bigger, and the athletic department is wealthier than it was for any previous coach. He operates with an advantage in every facet of running a program compared to any other coach in Clemson history. There has been a tremendous opportunity cost with the last 15 years and your comment is rooted in a sunk cost / gambler’s fallacy.
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You literally cant be worse than achieving nothing, which is what Brad has done.***
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Count me in for wanting to start from scratch and
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waiting 3 or 4 years for someone else to build a program. Hopefully they build something better than we have had for the last 15 years. Even if it ends up being worse, at least we tried. We can cut ties and try again. Continuing down this path is complacent and guarantees mediocrity.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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I asked, "Why did you expect to either win the ACC and/or make a deep tournament run?"
Your response was, "Because no ACC coach in the entire history of the league has coached 15 seasons without winning at least a regular season and a tournament title."
You didn't mention talent or anything other than brownell being here for a long time and hasn't won a championship. So you are acc championship or bust every year.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
Mar 22, 2025, 5:45 PM
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First, I don’t think there is any chance Brad gets fired and not sure I would fire him if I was suddenly in Neff’s position. But he should have beaten Louisville and he should have beaten McNeese St. We absolutely had the talent to win those games and he is far more experienced and is better compensated than those coaches. That he failed is a recurrent theme and indicative that he likely will never win one. If we lost to Duke in the ACC final and lost to a top 25 team in the NCAA tourney so be it.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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So you are now admitting that the team and staff brownell assembled is talented enough to expect to beat top 15 teams on neutral floor.
How did we beat duke and kentucky this year considering their coaches are more highly compensated than brownell?
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
Mar 23, 2025, 5:06 AM
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Well, we played them at home. We lose on the road.
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Scoring 13 points in a half makes people angry.
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This was Bradley’s best team ever, and they played their worst basketball the last 4 games of the year. He had 5 days to prepare for McNeese St. 33 games of footage to play with. And that’s the best he can prepare his team? That team looked scared and rattled on the court. Is that acceptable by one of the best coaches in the country? Upsets happen… but you don’t get down 24 points to someone from the Southland Conference if you have a talented team Power 4 Team and know how to effectively coach.
People should be upset. That was an embarrassing display of basketball.
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Re: Scoring 13 points in a half makes people angry.
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Keates took NC State to a final 4 and then they fired him when he missed the tourney. You could make the same arguments for him that the Brad fans make here but NC State expects to be good and consistent in basketball. We don’t
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People have a right to be angry. That performance was unacceptable.
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Brownell is the main one responsible for the result.
But that should not mean that he should be bashed for his entire tenure with people acting like we aren’t a much better program now than we have been in a long time.
Many people here need to calm down because they are overreacting.
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You gonna stop bashing Dabo when he does not win every game?
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Me thinks not.
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Meh
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Maybe overreacting is wanting to fire CBB in 2015? By the way, we did not make the NIT that season.
#fairweathercbbfan
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The pro-Bradley quotes at the bottom of the screenshot
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Make that poast extra special.
🙂
Thanks for sharing.
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Wow. ###. How have I never seen this before? So exusing those seasons as justification for keeping him around was always just part of being a contrarian troll. Astounding. Can you post the link?
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your HATE has no home here. Go torch a Tesla charging station. Love wins.***
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Re: your HATE has no home here. Go torch a Tesla charging station. Love wins.***
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I’m gonna torch a Tesla charging station because I want to save the environment.
#LoveisLove
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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You're ####### crazy.
Why is it a high standard to not want to be embarrassed on national tv by a team people like you were claiming is the best team ever?
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
Mar 22, 2025, 1:40 PM
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Haters? You’re projecting with one of your secondary accounts again. How about this? Give me 15 years and I promise that I can not win the ACC regular season or tournament championship. Guaranteed.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
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TLDR
But we ALWAYS capitalize the name Clemson. Coot
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You write a lot of words that have little impact.
If you’re explaining you’re losing.
Why don’t you be honest with us…what’s your connection to the basketball program?
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He hasnt met expectations.***
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I think it has to do with tenure. If you have been here that long as a coach, you'd expect a better showing in tournaments. If this was year 3 or 4 the the expectations wouldn't be as high. But when you come off a year when you went to an elite 8, have a great regular season, you don't expect to go out the way we did.
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The actual problem is, that epic faceplant was completely expected***
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
Mar 22, 2025, 4:14 PM
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I can admit Brownell is great at choking in key situations.
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You mean like in the NCAA Tournament last year, when we made the Elite 8?
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And in our last 5 games against AP top 5 teams, when we are 5-0?
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We choked in the ACCT and NCAAT this year. Choking is the norm.
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The elite 8 was an anomaly.
Obviously we are regressing.
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Dude...are you 30 yrs old or younger??? Lololol
Bill Foster with Tree rollins, larry nance, billy gore ring a bell
Cliff ellis with elden campbell, dale davis, tyson etc
Barnes with the football team that beat dean in tue acc tourney
Ops beatings of duke at home amd tourney appearances, and exciting basketball but his tourmey performances were on par with BB
Anyway...NO...i cant admit that!!! Youre simply wrong!!!
Ftr...not a hater...just a lover of winning at a very high level!!! We dont hold our basketball team nor coaches to that standard at Clemson!!! Period!!!
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Here's an honest take. Brad Brownell has had longer, by FAR, than any Clemson
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basketball coach in history to show some CONSISTENTLY positive results. High Expectations? You best your A$$ I have high expectations, with all the time and money that has been given him and the basketball program.
Now, what he has really done is follow the ACC downhill it seems. A pretty regular season, but then an absolute clunker in the Big Dance. And that after once again, for the nth year in a row, coming up way short in the ACC conference tournament.
At this point, I would give Brownell more credit for winning the ACC than going deep in the Dance. Why? Because at least then, we could say we are the TAllest Midget in this putrid conference. Right now, we have absolutely NOTHING to hang our hat on.
The team that manhandled us just went down meekly to Purdue, by double digits. That makes our performance against them even harder to swallow.
And, since Brownell has now tied himself firmly to the Transfer Portal, he has to rebuild this team all over again starting right now. I should amend my earlier statement. I have high HOPES for basketball, but EXPECTATIONS are, more of the same disappointments going forward. That's as honest as I can be.
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I mean, I *honestly did not read most of your post, so ...
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So,a hater is defined as anyone who has a different opinion to yours?
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Mar 22, 2025, 7:32 PM
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No. People with a different opinion are not haters. They look at facts and come to different conclusions than you. Yet, you try and bully them by calling them names.
In general, the expectation has not changed. Has Clemson been to 2 dances in a row and is that good? Absolutely.
However, the reality is that people are trying to make more out of Brownell than the facts support. This “historically good year” for instance. Our historic year is beating up on OOC cupcakes and then beating up on the worst ACC in history. when you don’t play against decent teams throughout the year, when you do play one - you don’t know what is going to happen - and that is exactly what happened against McNeese. Before you start spouting that we beat Kentucky - yes, good win - at home. We also beat Duke, great win - at home. We also beat a bad UNC - at home. I would rather play a few road tough games and lose some - and be prepared for March - then do what we did with this “historic” year.
We also lost on the road to every division 1 team OOC that we played. SC, last in the SEC, had 3 wins against div 1 schools - guess what? All 3 were ACC. We lost to Boise and Memphis as well. The only other team with a pulse we played in conference - was Louisville and we lost twice - away from home both times .
We went on the road to play in the NCAA and guess what? We did not play well - just like we had all year .
Does that make Clemson a bad team? Nope, I think we had a good team. But, the combination of bad OOC and ACC did not prepare us for tough conflicts.
Is Brad a bad coach? No. But he has glaring weaknesses that some people keep ignoring. His strengths are portal recruiting, fundamentals, teamwork, and almost no issue with players. His weaknesses are quick tournament game preparedness , in game coaching and changes, and end of game play calling, high school recruiting and retention.
To answer one of your questions - did I expect more this year? Yes. The collection of talent was there. Perhaps I had not considered how we had not done much on the road and I overvalued our team.
You and others keep pushing the Brownell scenarios. Nobody hates him. They think he has had a long time and not won an ACC title. Finishing 3/4 is not what we want. That makes us Lovers not Haters. We love Clemson.
Stop with the name calling. Perhaps have interesting dialogue and an open mind, maybe we all will find common ground and simply pull for CLEMSON.
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Mar 22, 2025, 8:17 PM
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He’s been the man in charge of the basketball program for nearly 2 decades at this point.
Outside of an Elite 8 run, the basketball program is still mostly middling.
I don’t think the criticism is that unwarranted.
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Last year was awesome… but this year the way it ended was a failure , if we had lost today I wouldn’t say that at all but the way that team came out flat and un prepared is coaching. While I have turned a corner on how I feel about BB next year is a big year bc he needs to at some point become consistent… and let’s not act like this acc is even in the same stratosphere that Barnes or even Purnell faced … this acc could be one of the worst conferences in college basketball outside of Duke.
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Re: Can you haters be honest at all?
Mar 22, 2025, 9:32 PM
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The question should be how good do you want to be average or elite?
Then go after it or remain average.
Our guys were not prepared for the team they faced Thursday. We were out coached. Now we’ll have to face that coach Wade every year.
I’m still disappointed!
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AT CLEMSON...WE (president, NEFF (his name needs to be attached to Brad if he continues to support mediocrity, IPTAY, fans) need to decide if basketball is just a placeholder...cute little time out between football and baseball...or if we truly value "BEST IS THE STANDARD" in all areas as a University...if not and basketball is the outlier where its ok to be good just some of the time...then just let us iptay members and fans know!!! Me thinks the administration has already done that therefore...we as Clemson fams shoukd be thankful for Brad!!! In some places "it just means more"...just not in the ACC with Clemson basketball evidently!!!
It could though, very easily...maybe NEFF and CLEMENTS take a trip to bama or auburn or tenn or ole miss!!! What say you???
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I would be willing to give Brad the benefit of the doubt if he didn’t constantly choke when something big was about to happen for his program. This year losing to GT at home cost us the ACC regular season, last year Louisville. I mean if we could had the title just one year, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. Go back and look at Brad since the start of his tenure and you will see countless games against teams that he was better than that we lost to! If the guy wasn’t a choke job he would have 3 or 4 more tournament appearances. I mean I don’t even care at this point. We have made our bed and so we will sleep in it. If we find our way to success that is awesome but I’m not to lose/waste anymore time or energy on the basketball team with the current leadership.
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