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Anti-Big Pharma stuff

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Apr 1, 2025, 11:41 AM
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I hear (through sources who need to be fact-checked) that Team Trump is aiming to put new restrictions on pharmaceutical advertising and related activities.

Anyone got the scoop on this? This could be an area where I am very supportive of a Trumpy/RFK-y goal.

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There should be zero pharma advertising. But on the list of things that are a

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Apr 1, 2025, 11:49 AM
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problem in this country, it’s way down near the bottom.

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All for that and the thing he signed with Kid Rock to end

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Apr 1, 2025, 11:58 AM
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scalping concert tickets. I can go along with both of those.

The biggest problem we have with big pharma are 20+ year patent laws. Need to be 3-5 years. One, that pushes the development of newer drugs, and two, reduces costs of drugs already on the market much faster. Pharma still gets say 5 years to extort Medicare/insurance and whatever with new drugs, BUT that term is limited forcing them to develop new drugs.

As it stands, new drug development is muted, and the dream is a daily drug for whatever ailment that people can take for years, under patent, to rake in the big bucks.

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Re: All for that and the thing he signed with Kid Rock to end


Apr 1, 2025, 12:00 PM
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Don't they also do things like make small and mostly insignificant tweaks to their formula to circumvent the "sunsetting" laws that start that patent-protection clock? I remember there being a whole scam around that too.

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Re: All for that and the thing he signed with Kid Rock to end

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Apr 1, 2025, 3:14 PM [ in reply to All for that and the thing he signed with Kid Rock to end ]
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It’s a complicated issue. I totally agree with stopping advertising of prescription and hospital drugs to the general public.

However, much of the delay in bringing a drug to market is out of the hands of Big Pharma. It can take 10-15 years to get a drug to market and 80-90% of prospective drugs never get clearance to be released to the market.

It is an exhaustive and costly process to bring a new drug to market. For our own safety, it takes time for Big Pharma to jump through all the hoops to get a drug to market.

I’m not sure reducing a patent to only 5 years would actually incentivize Big Pharma to spend the massive amount of money to try to get a new drug to market.

20 years is a long time for a patent, but the sweet spot may be somewhat more than 5 years to spur an attempt to produce new drugs, but the timeline for a drug to be released would still remain very long.

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Re: Anti-Big Pharma stuff

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Apr 1, 2025, 12:52 PM
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RFK, Jr is pushing it.

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Agree with you there...

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Apr 1, 2025, 2:53 PM
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I'm no Trump supporter, but this is the kind of stuff that should be bi-partisan. The entire health care industry needs an overhaul. Like where is the incentive to provide cures when treatments can be steady payments for decades, per client? Why should insurance have a right to deny you and anyone health care? I think the whole think ought to be a not-for-profit industry.

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Re: Agree with you there...

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Apr 1, 2025, 6:45 PM
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Just curious, what “cures” are being withheld for “treatments”? Or what diseases? What exactly do you think is being withheld for profit?

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Re: Agree with you there...

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Apr 2, 2025, 7:14 AM
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Cancer cures are totally hidden. Cancer is BIG business!

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Re: Agree with you there...

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Apr 2, 2025, 7:22 AM
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Trillion dollar industry. We have all had family or friends go through chemo or radiation and you know what that does to a person. It's all for $, huge $

When the people find out they will not be able to walk the streets. Said part is, most doctors just do as they are taught and think they are doing the best. Big pharma OWNS the schools

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Re: Agree with you there...


Apr 2, 2025, 8:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Agree with you there... ]
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I NEVER agree with NJDEV but I do agree about cancer and a lack of interest to find a cure because of the $$ made from it. It’s truly sad!

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lack of interest to find a cure? Craziness.


Apr 2, 2025, 10:11 PM
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For which cancer?

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Re: Agree with you there...

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Apr 2, 2025, 7:27 AM [ in reply to Agree with you there... ]
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Their goals is to put you on monthly meds for the rest of your life

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Weird.


Apr 2, 2025, 10:13 PM
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My mother had multiple myeloma and her doc's goal was to get her off meds ASAP.

I'm sure her doc was just an outlier.

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Re: Weird.

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Apr 2, 2025, 11:33 PM
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Mt step dad has been battling cancer for about 6 years with multiple surgeries and radiation, the guy is a survivor. I just wish big surgery would get off his back and give him the cure.

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Re: Anti-Big Pharma stuff


Apr 1, 2025, 5:54 PM
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So far so good from what I have seen of RFK Jr. Certainly don't agree with everything he talks about, but I like a couple of his initiatives.

I like what he is pushing with food additives. I went to Lidl the other day to pick up some Cashews. The non organic had about 10 ingredients, many of which you would probably have to be a chemist to know what it is without looking it up. The organic had one ingredient, but was about twice as expensive. That's a bunch of bull that you have to pay twice as much for the real food.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/rfk-jr-wants-to-update-food-additive-safety-rules-how-it-could-affect-what-you-eat/ar-AA1BIEPJ?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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Eh, no


Apr 2, 2025, 8:00 AM
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That's glossing over his anti-vaccination efforts since taking his position. We're already seeing more measles cases than before. And once again, more overreach of executive power.

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Re: Eh, no


Apr 2, 2025, 10:02 PM
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Eh, yeah. I didn't say anything about his vaccination stance.

All Executives have leaned on regulatory agencies to push agendas. This is nothing new.

The measles outbreak has zero to do with RFK, Jr or the Trump administration.

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He's not "so far so good". He's dangerous for U.S. health.***


Apr 2, 2025, 11:43 PM
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Re: He's not "so far so good". He's dangerous for U.S. health.***


Apr 3, 2025, 5:36 AM
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Wanting to get rid of Pharma ads and food additives is not a danger to the health of the country. While I do not agree with his unclear stances on vaccines, I haven't seen any initiatives from his office trying to stop states from vaccinating children, so far.

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Everyone pump the brakes.

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Apr 2, 2025, 7:58 AM
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A president can't ban advertising. Only Congress can do it. And that opens the door for a lot of complications.

I don't care how much any of y'all want it, if you think it's a good idea to give a president--especially THIS president--the power to ban any advertising he sees fit, then they've already got ya. Authoritarians will target the perceived bad stuff first to get you to comply with their actions and then abuse the power later.

This is a terrible idea. Let Congress handle it (and they likely won't ban a lobbying market this strong).

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Re: Everyone pump the brakes.


Apr 2, 2025, 8:50 AM
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^^^Likes big pharma

Or just dislikes anything Trump does even if it’s wildly popular with the American people

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^^Hates our Constitution, checks and balances, and following the law***

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Apr 2, 2025, 9:11 AM
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Re: Everyone pump the brakes.

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Apr 2, 2025, 9:00 AM [ in reply to Everyone pump the brakes. ]
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A president can't ban advertising. Only Congress can do it. And that opens the door for a lot of complications.

I don't care how much any of y'all want it, if you think it's a good idea to give a president--especially THIS president--the power to ban any advertising he sees fit, then they've already got ya. Authoritarians will target the perceived bad stuff first to get you to comply with their actions and then abuse the power later.

This is a terrible idea. Let Congress handle it (and they likely won't ban a lobbying market this strong).


For sure. Executive Orders should be so rare as to be newsworthy.

Congress and only Congress should be able to prohibit Big Pharma from advertising to the general public.

I personally think it’s a good idea, but I don’t care how great an idea is, if Congress can’t get its act together to pass a bill, Executive Orders or judges should not be taking on the role of Congress.

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Cata, goshdarnit

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Apr 2, 2025, 9:27 AM [ in reply to Everyone pump the brakes. ]
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Yes, ok, fine, it would be a legislative act. But let me dream.

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Re: Everyone pump the brakes.


Apr 2, 2025, 10:03 PM [ in reply to Everyone pump the brakes. ]
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When was advertising banned?

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In 1971.


Apr 2, 2025, 10:14 PM
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The Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act banned cigarette advertisements on television and radio in the United States.

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Re: In 1971.


Apr 2, 2025, 10:20 PM
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I was referring to Cat's comment regarding Pharma ad bans.

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I don't recall saying it was.***


Apr 2, 2025, 11:42 PM
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Re: I don't recall saying it was.***


Apr 3, 2025, 5:39 AM
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You don't have to worry about an Executive order stopping Pharma ads. I'll assure you, there are teams of lawyers that would love for that to happen.

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