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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
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Jan 8, 2025, 8:30 AM
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Shoot I think that would be a good hire
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It would be terrible. He's been awful his entire career
Jan 8, 2025, 8:33 AM
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other than these last 3 "Marcus Freeman" defenses.
On his own he's never once fielded a top 15 defense and only top 20 twice. EVER
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Completely agree!***
Jan 8, 2025, 8:37 AM
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Re: Agree with a lot of the times, but ,just an opinion,
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Jan 8, 2025, 10:15 AM
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Really crappy weather there?
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Re: It would be terrible. He's been awful his entire career
Jan 8, 2025, 9:37 AM
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He's also only been a DC for 1 team 20 years ago before that, and not a good team either. So let's take that with a grain of salt
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Take it with a grain of salt
Jan 8, 2025, 9:42 AM
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that a guy supposedly known for defense never had a good defense after 5 years as a DC and 10 as a head coach???
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Letterman [154]
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Re: Take it with a grain of salt
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Jan 8, 2025, 9:46 AM
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You heard of Brent benables? He was terrible before an after Clemson, so bad he was fired from a team known for bad defenses. I don't get your point.
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Re: Take it with a grain of salt
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Jan 8, 2025, 9:49 AM
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Where was Brent fired from?
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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He wasn't fired. We stole him.***
Jan 8, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Re: He wasn't fired. We stole him.***
Jan 8, 2025, 11:38 AM
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no true he was sort of demoted and Stoops brother given co Defensive coordinator role with him.
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Re: He wasn't fired. We stole him.***
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Jan 8, 2025, 11:44 AM
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You do realize the year prior to bringing Stoops on BV was rated the top assistant in the country, right? Naming a co-DC was nepotism, not a demotion.
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BV was not rated as the top assistant in the country in 2011
Jan 11, 2025, 7:15 PM
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anywhere that I can find. He won no awards, his statistics were ok, and this is taking into account the high scoring Big XII.
In 2011 the Sooners were:
#32 in points allowed per game.
#55 in yards per game allowed.
#30 in takeaways per game.
#43 in rush yards allowed per game.
#79 in pass yards allowed per game.
BV never won the Broyals award at Oklahoma, only making the top 5 once, in 2006.
LSU’s John Chavis won the Broyals award in 2011, BV’s last season with Oklahoma.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2011-team-defense.html
Here is an article that places BV in a very favorable light, and even they don’t say he’s the top assistant.
The only reference I can find to BV being the top assistant in the country in 2011 was a Bleacher Report article published in June, 2011, prior to the start of the season.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/732651-college-football-2011-nations-20-best-assistant-coaches.amp.html
Where are you finding BV was rated the top assistant for 2011, the year prior to Stoops return? Not saying you are wrong, I may be missing something.
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Re: BV was not rated as the top assistant in the country in 2011
Jan 11, 2025, 7:29 PM
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It was the Bleecher report.
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That was a preseason article that also had Kevin Steele at #9.***
Jan 11, 2025, 7:32 PM
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Re: That was a preseason article that also had Kevin Steele at #9.***
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Jan 11, 2025, 7:34 PM
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Yes, I was in a hurry when I grabbed it. Should have caught that.
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10-4***
Jan 11, 2025, 7:38 PM
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Re: 10-4***
Jan 11, 2025, 7:41 PM
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“let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.” 
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Brother Stoops had just been fired from AZ going 41-50
Jan 8, 2025, 11:51 AM
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He needed a landing place. Took over DC when BV left
Lincoln fired Stoops from DC in year 2
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Re: squeezed out at OU is a better term***
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Jan 8, 2025, 12:10 PM
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If you're going to say that, at least add by the HCs brother...
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Re: Take it with a grain of salt
Jan 8, 2025, 12:08 PM
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Some try to say he was fired from Oklahoma, but that's just not true!!!
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Brent Venables was not terrible before Clemson and not even close.
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Jan 8, 2025, 10:21 AM
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2000 8th
2001 4th
2002 10th
2003 3rd
2004 13th
2005 13th
2006 16th
2007 27th
2008 68th
2009 8th
2010 53rd
2011 55th
What on earth are you talking about?
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Re:To be fair....
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Jan 8, 2025, 11:11 AM
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there is an obvious trend there in Venables last years at OU. That's pretty much why Goodwin got fired and Bob Stoops forced BV to start sharing the duties with his brother. Not knocking BV but its fair to say he was producing subpar results at OU immediately before coming to Clemson. He wasnt terrible but was deserving of criticism.
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having outlier bad seasons
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Jan 8, 2025, 11:19 AM
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is a lot different than golden having outlier good seasons.
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Re:Very good point...
Jan 8, 2025, 1:01 PM
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but to what I stated above, if we are looking at the data provided on BV....pretty good chance we would all be clamoring for his replacement based on his last 4 yrs at OU...especially when comparing his first several years....clear drop off, not even really able to argue otherwise without dissecting the exact issues at play.
It all worked out and is a dumb argument, but to the original point made by the other poster....BV wasnt great when he strolled into town.
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That is a preseason article
Jan 11, 2025, 7:29 PM
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Not based on his last year at OU. The same article has Kevin Steele at #9 in the country.
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Re: Take it with a grain of salt
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Jan 8, 2025, 12:11 PM
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You heard of Brent benables? He was terrible before an after Clemson, so bad he was fired from a team known for bad defenses. I don't get your point.
Who TF is benables?...
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I dont think it'd be terrible...
Jan 8, 2025, 11:14 AM
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but not sure it makes any sense. Why would he leave arguably a better situation in South Bend to come to Clemson? Maybe he wants complete freedom to call his defense (dont think its Freeman's defense though) and might be good friends with Dabo....not sure. He also could get a NFL DC gig if he wants it.
If he is the final choice, its not awful and we could do much worse. There just arent alot of guys out there like Mickey Andrews, BV, Kirby Smart, etc.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
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Jan 8, 2025, 8:31 AM
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You don't like what Al Golden is doing at ND?
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isnt he 345 years old?***
Jan 8, 2025, 8:33 AM
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Re: isnt he 345 years old?*** - 55, he was born on the 4th of July, 1969***
Jan 8, 2025, 9:16 AM
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lol. duh.. i was thinking Al Groh
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so stupid
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No I like what Marcus Freeman is doing
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Jan 8, 2025, 8:34 AM
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Al Golden didn't just miraculously stop being a terrible coach.
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Jan 11, 2025, 9:54 PM
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He’s done well at ND not so well at Alabama. Arguably he had better players there. Word is Saban told him to find a new job. Maybe they just didn’t get along who knows. Chris Dabo, but not the media.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
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Jan 8, 2025, 8:41 AM
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AL Golden?!? Holy crap.....that can't be true. Terrible hire if true.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
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Jan 8, 2025, 8:45 AM
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I hope not. I can’t overlook the 58-0 we put on his Miami team! Hard pass!
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 8:51 AM
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Did we remove banks or did he remove himself. Not thinking Golden a great recruiter. Rather have in-house DC than Golden.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 8:52 AM
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Absolutely no way he knows who is the front runner.
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Maybe not but he works for the P&C so not just some Joe Blow***
Jan 8, 2025, 8:54 AM
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 8:55 AM
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I personally can't believe this to be the case about Golden. His alleged current deal is 4 year deal worth $9 million. I like his defense, but I don't see Clemson paying him more than that.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 9:13 AM
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He signed a 4 yr ext last season with notre lame. Seems unlikely he'd leave.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 9:15 AM
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My thoughts exactly. He signed it in February. I would assume there is a buyout of some sort and if that is the case, it would be most of that $9 million.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
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Jan 8, 2025, 9:41 AM
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Bet M.H. Frank is dying to get him as DC.
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I haven't heard AG's name mentioned before now, but am hearing Bryant Haines***
Jan 8, 2025, 9:47 AM
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I think Haines would be a great hire.***
Jan 8, 2025, 10:02 AM
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No idea if it's true but I agree that it would be a great hire.
Jan 8, 2025, 10:14 AM
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He's been a member of all four of Curt Cignetti’s coaching staffs including the coordinator or co-coordinator of the defense in each of Cignetti’s five seasons at James Madison, so there may be a loyalty issue that's difficult to overcome.
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Do we really want someone else's Friends and Family plan staffer?
Jan 8, 2025, 10:22 AM
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It's my understanding that the F&F route doesn't provide the absolute best and best is the standard and such.
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He's a pretty darn good coach.***
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Re: I haven't heard AG's name mentioned before now, but am hearing Bryant Haines***
Jan 11, 2025, 9:08 PM
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That the Indiana DC, right? Yeah, I like him. Lot of disguising and simulated blitz packages. Very creative imo. Something we could def use here and I think he played LB so he would be a nice fit for DC and LBs coach.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 9:51 AM
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Nooooooo
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Click bait. Al Golden just signed a 4-year extension with Notre Dame...
Jan 8, 2025, 10:03 AM
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making $2.25 million annually, so it's unlikely he's leaving.
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NO! Dabo got him fired after that 40-0 beatdown.
Jan 8, 2025, 10:13 AM
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No love lost there
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Re: NO! Dabo got him fired after that 40-0 beatdown.
Jan 8, 2025, 10:19 AM
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58-0
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Didn't he get fired immediately after we blew them out in Miami?
Jan 8, 2025, 10:20 AM
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How do they come up with that tripe?
Jan 8, 2025, 10:27 AM
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Dabo isn't talking to media about this. Even if he speculated on his list of candidates to someone he trust he wouldn't give them a pecking order.
Why Tnetters go nuts over words written by people who talk and write for a living embarrasses me.
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 11:31 AM
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Well wouldn't it be ironic and the Christian thing to do since Dabo ended Golden's HC career at Miami with the 58-0 thrashing we gave Miami in 2015? You would think they had absolutely no defense then, why would he be the front runner here?
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Jeff Hafley would be my 1A, but unless he's really unhappy in GB, unlikely he jumps back to CFB
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Re: Al Golden front runner for DC?
Jan 8, 2025, 11:48 AM
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Click bait!!!!!
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What does a male figure skater know about it anyway?***
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It;s the least we could do since we got him fired from Miami after 58-0***
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