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Playmaker [355]
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We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:25 PM
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We went into a bye and dropped spots because Dabo went to church that weekend. We had lost to Ga and were punished pretty good in the polls as well the media spin was that we returned back to ##########. We weren’t great but a lot of questionable calls stalled any comeback. Mia was saved from an L to VT by refs. So even in crappy Lou. Game we would be 2nd in conference. Hmmm only top 5 RANKED conference champs are auto in. The next 7 HIGHEST RATED are at Large. No Acc team in? Maybe 1? Is my thinking flawed? I hope someone can explain what I’m missing.
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Playmaker [355]
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#########
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:29 PM
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Klempsinning is the unspeakable word. The media has coined it
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Game Day Hero [4202]
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The ACC Champion is automatically in
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:32 PM
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Maybe not a first round bye, but is automatically in.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: The ACC Champion is automatically in
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:42 PM
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While I think you're right in practice, that's not true under the rules. OP's post was incomprehensible, but he's actually right. Everyone has treated the playoffs as all the Power champions get in automatically, and then there are at-large bids. But technically, it's not that. The highest ranked champions get in, with no distinction of what conference they belong to.
Let's say Clemson lost to South Carolina and ended the season ranked #25, but somehow won the ACC championship, beating SMU. The Big Ten champion is ranked #1. The SEC champion is ranked #3. The Big 12 champion is ranked #9. Boise State is ranked #12. And Army is ranked #18. Clemson would be a lower ranked conference champion than those conference champions, and so those 5 teams would get in while Clemson did not. No conference champion is automatically in.
That said, in practice, the NCAA wouldn't want to #### off the ACC as much as its struggling. They would purposefully make sure Clemson jumped Army to get them into the playoffs.
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Tiger Spirit [9850]
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: ACC CHAMP is a top 4 seed***
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:45 PM
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That's entirely untrue. Most year, it would work out that way, but that is in no way, shape, or form a guarantee.
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TigerNet Elite [69777]
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Yes it is...
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:26 PM
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The four highest-ranked conference champions are automatically seeded 1–4 in the College Football Playoff, regardless of their record:
The top four conference champions are seeded 1–4 and receive a first-round bye, advancing directly to the quarterfinals.
The remaining eight teams play each other in the first round, with the higher-ranked team hosting on their campus.
The CFP selection committee ranks the teams, but the rankings and seeding don't always match up. A team can be ranked high in the polls but not receive a top four seed if they aren't a conference champion.
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Game Changer [1775]
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Boise State??***
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:33 PM
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Varsity [104]
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If they win out, yes
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:19 PM
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They'd be 12-1.
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Team Captain [459]
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Re: Boise State??***
Nov 12, 2024, 2:00 PM
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Boise is NOT playoff proven. Another TCU of yesteryear.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: Boise State??***
Nov 12, 2024, 3:28 PM
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You mean the TCU that beat Michigan and made the final?
It doesn't matter if a team is "playoff proven". If they succeed in the regular season, they get a chance to prove themselves in the playoff. Boise St absolutely belongs if they are one of the top 5 conference champs.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: Yes it is...
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:47 PM
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Correct, but there is no guarantee that the ACC champ is top 4, or top 5, conference champ.
Theoretically, the ACC could fall behind:
Big10
SEC
BIG12
MWC
AAC
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Varsity [104]
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That assumes that the ACC winner is one of the Top 5
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:15 PM
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ranked conference champions.
There is no guarantee that the ACC champ is one of them.
It's possible that we could lose to the Courts, back in to the ACCCG and win it, and inky better 6th ranked conference champion.
The BIG, SEC, Big 12, MW, and AAC all have teams with better records than we do.
The OP is right.
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CU Guru [1565]
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Re: The ACC Champion is automatically in
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:55 PM
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DavidHood® can one of you or someone else with authority put out an article detailing how the ACC champ could in fact be left out of the playoffs as there are no conference gaurentees in the 5+7 model? Too much misinformation being slung around the boards on this topic
Crump®
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Team Captain [459]
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Re: The ACC Champion is automatically in
Nov 12, 2024, 1:52 PM
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Does anybody in their right mind would have BYU as a 4th seed. No way that they win even a 1st round game. Same with Indiana. Those two undefeated teams haven't proven anything.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:35 PM
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Your thinking isn't flawed. The idea of the playoffs was to let the 5 Power 5 champs in and then 7 at-large bids to capture G5 champs and the best other teams (like Notre Dame). But yes, under a strict reading of the rules, if enough G5 champs are rated higher than P5 champs, then they could theoretically get left out. But in practice, it wouldn't happen because the NCAA doesn't want to #### off the major conferences. If Clemson were to win the the ACC, they'd get in, I think even if they lost to South Carolina and the Citadel.
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TigerNet Elite [76753]
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the NCAA has nothing to do with eSECpn's CFP.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:08 PM
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: the NCAA has nothing to do with eSECpn's CFP.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:15 PM
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I think you should look up who Bill Hancock is.
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TigerNet Elite [76753]
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Re: the NCAA has nothing to do with eSECpn's CFP.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:22 PM
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and???
I LOL at your use of the word "think."
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Varsity [104]
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Team Captain [459]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
Nov 12, 2024, 1:58 PM
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I have a very sneaky suspicion about the Mizzou vs. South Carolina game. The Gamecocka are due for a loss.
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Ring of Honor [22029]
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Coherent thoughts, sentence structure and punctuation. Plus positivity.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:36 PM
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Oculus Spirit [40318]
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Did Your Mom Drink and Do Meth When You Were in Utero?
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Do you still wear a Tampon Tim shirt?
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Top TigerNet [29791]
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Correct actually
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:44 PM
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In theory a 10-3 Clemson could get left out in favor of a 13-0 Army and a 12-1 Boise State
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Team Captain [459]
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Re: Correct actually
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:21 PM
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The ONLY team that makes the playoffs with 3 losses would be Alabama. Nick Saban Kool-Aid.
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Ring of Honor [22195]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:46 PM
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Guaranteed a spot not guaranteed a first round bye
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Incorrect
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Ring of Honor [22195]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:56 PM
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It is not incorrect but okie dokie conference champs plus highest group of five is guaranteed a spot, the highest ranked conference champs get first round byes
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:57 PM
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No.
The 5 highest ranked conference champs get auto bids. It’s not 4+1.
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Varsity [104]
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Correct******
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:20 PM
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Varsity [104]
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That's flawed.
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:22 PM
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The 12 team playoff system guarantees that at least one G5 team gets in.
It does not eliminate the possibility of a second G5 team getting in over a lesser ranked P4 team.
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Varsity [104]
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101549]
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Varsity [104]
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101549]
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You said, "There are no more automatic playoff bids*"...
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:41 PM
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which is incorrect. This is from the article you linked:
"The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams."
In other words, the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee get automatic bids.
If you'd said, "There are no automatic playoff bids specifically for the Power Four conferences, you'd been right.
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Varsity [104]
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That's what I meant.
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Nov 11, 2024, 4:12 PM
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No auto bids tied to conferences.
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Varsity [104]
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Not so.
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:42 PM
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If we win out including the ACCCG but there are 5 higher ranked conference champions, we would need to be ranked no lower than 12 to get an at large bid.
There are the possibility of us not climbing far enough for that to happen.
If we lose another regular season game, we're out.
If we don't back into the ACCCG, we're probably out.
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Hall of Famer [9009]
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So youre suggesting we wouldnt even get an at large? LOL***
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:03 PM
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You think theyd put in a 10-3 ACC team over a 10-2 SEC team?***
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:06 PM
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Team Captain [459]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:19 PM
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Clemson WILL make the playoffs with a win in the title game. An 11-2 record and winning the conference is an automatic bid. That would be breaking the rules for the 12 team CFP.
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Varsity [104]
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There are no automatic bids tied to conferences now.
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:29 PM
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The highest ranked 5 conferences champs get in. If the ACC champ isn't one of them, then there's no chance that we're in even if we win out.
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Rival Killer [3078]
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Re: There are no automatic bids tied to conferences now.
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Nov 11, 2024, 4:17 PM
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If we win out and end up as the 6th highest ranked conference champ with 2 losses, we would likely still get in with an at-large bid. But if we're the 6th highest ranked conference champ, but lose to USuCk and have 3 losses, I agree with you, that we'd be left out.
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Orange Blooded [2198]
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Re: There are no automatic bids tied to conferences now.
Nov 11, 2024, 6:19 PM
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Yes. The conference champions will ranked 1 -5. The 5th place chamiion will be ranked at 12 if tbey are outside of tbe top 12 in tbe final rankings. When your championship and you get a seat at the table. Top 4 major conference champions are in and top rated non P5 champ gets in.. Unless someone helps us out, we ain't playing in tbe ACC title game anyway. Realistically do we want tbis Clemson team playing at Oregon, Alabama, Ole Miss..... I don't think we are good enough for that. A solid bowl game win and build depth for next year. Cannot afford an embarrassing playoff beat down again!!
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I don't expect UScuk to ever make the playoff.
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:23 PM
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When Dabo goes to church or takes a day off in none of y'all coot's business.
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Offensive Star [330]
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Realistic Playoff Chances
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:39 PM
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Easiest way to think about it is If Miami loses one more game AND Clemson wins out (including ACC championship) we will be in playoffs. If either of those 2 things don't happen, there is no chance at ACC championship or playoffs.
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Hall of Famer [8331]
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Re: Realistic Playoff Chances
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:41 PM
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If both of those things happen, we will PROBABLY be in the playoffs. It’s not a guarantee, and that’s the point being made.
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All-In [10790]
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Re: Realistic Playoff Chances
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Nov 11, 2024, 4:09 PM
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Bluejay there is no way Army or a 2nd G5 champion would be ranked ahead of an 11-2 ACC Champion.
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Varsity [104]
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Not necessarily so.
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Nov 11, 2024, 4:40 PM
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Undefeated Army is likely a bye.
A 11-1,Boise State is likely also in.
If we beat Pitt and El CID, back into the ACCCG with a Miami conference loss, we might not be in the Top 5, of conference champs or the Top 7 of st large teams.
That could happen even if we beat the Coots. If we lose to the Coots, we're probably in the Duke's Mayo Bowl then Liberty Bowl, or some equally mediocre bowl.
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National Champion [7856]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
Nov 11, 2024, 7:18 PM
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It seems the confusion is do the power 5 get bids or are all of the conferences grouped together.
If grouped together Clemson would have to win out. Lose to SC and win the ACC there could be a problem.
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Game Day Hero [4335]
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Re: We wont make playoffs even if we win ACC?
Nov 12, 2024, 3:52 PM
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It is feasible the ACC champion could be the 6th highest ranked conference champ. That would be such an ACC thing to do. It would be funny (if Miami doesn’t drop too far tonight) that they are the only ACC team into the playoff as an at-large team.
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