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Orange Immortal [65977]
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To me this is the source of all we have experienced since 2015.
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Jul 12, 2025, 8:19 AM
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By “all we have experienced” I mean the rise of Trump and Bernie and our overall unrest. IMO it all comes down to the hollowing out of our middle class and the erosion of traditional values, which were reinforced by one bread earner families.
The chart on the left is the America I grew up in. It was better.
https://x.com/alpacaaurelius/status/1943753190295711921?s=46
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Stupid Boomers growing older? And often more clueless !***
Jul 12, 2025, 9:38 AM
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What hollowed out the middle class is a good debate to have
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Jul 12, 2025, 10:45 AM
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The middle class was probably the greatest invention of America.
One could tell the story of capital flight to the developing world which began by design back in the late 80s and 90s with opening of China and NAFTA.
The other story that is less told or understood is the power of Wall Street which led the export of industry. It resembled a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money. Its purpose was not to build things, but to extract wealth.
Hyper-financialized markets led to wave after wave of corporate M&A, facilitated by the absence of antitrust enforcement, led to further consolidation of capital and power into fewer and fewer hands. So instead of tens of thousands of local businesses competing in a robust and diverse market, we wound up with Walmart.
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Orange Immortal [65977]
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100. Graeber of Occupy Wall Street fame was not wrong.***
Jul 12, 2025, 11:05 AM
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Re: To me this is the source of all we have experienced since 2015.
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Jul 12, 2025, 11:26 AM
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That was right around the time Ross Perot was warning us of the "giant sucking sound " impact NAFTA and other international trade deals would have on domestic jobs and he was correct. Manufacturing jobs were the cornerstone of middle class employment for decades and that chart details how quickly many of them evaporated to other countries.
Obviously an argument can be made that the benefits outweigh the negatives for the average consumer by things being cheaper in general but all those jobs migrating to retail, healthcare etc as definitely had an impact on the middle class.
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Orange Immortal [65977]
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Yep. Ross was right.***
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Jul 12, 2025, 11:58 AM
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Yeah. No.
Jul 12, 2025, 12:15 PM
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That’s not how we arrived here and there’s nothing wrong with the chart on the right.
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I work in healthcare. The chart on the right is not good.
Jul 12, 2025, 12:23 PM
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On multiple levels.
1) More people working in health care = more people with low paying jobs with a few with super high paying jobs (more income discrepancy).
2) It reflects less manufacturing and more service jobs in general, which are lower paying.
3) The healthcare industry is controlled by a few private equity firms (Bernie talks about this, no one seems to understand why it sucks, but if you work in it as I do, you know).
4) It also reflects more sickness. Diseases of despair. Look at how fat we are now compared to 1990. Not to mention suicide rates, mental illness, etc.
5) Even without private equity, the healthcare system is a mess.
Compare that to when my diddy worked on factory job, with coworkers from all over and good paying jobs that spread across the middle class.
You cannot convince me we are better off now.
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Better off? No, I cant.
Jul 12, 2025, 12:26 PM
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But that’s not why we have arrived at this Trump disaster.
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I am talking big picture, not Trump/MAGA.
Jul 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
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We were phukked long before Trump 2.0. We are just the death throes now.
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