conference that is worth a #### is Florida State back in 1991. The Big East raid has backed fire. Miami and Virginia Tech has never live up to their football expectations. The other "new" members are a joke. There's NOT one school that is actually a football power will ever join the ACC including Notre Dame.
If USC and UCLA is in fact joining the BIG what happen with this Conference Alliance between the ACC, BIG and PAC12? The ACC seem to be getting further behind if this expansion does happen. Where does this all end?
The money is definitely not there in basketball like it is in football but the ACC has always been a basketball conference. Thought adding Miami and VT would have changed that mindset but they have both regressed since joining the ACC.
As Beamer's age caught up to him and the program. That regression and subsequent continued lack of success through the rest of the Beamer era and the Fuente era has me worried though that VT will not be seen as good enough for the two super conferences and that the success will be attributed more to luck and a dearth of better programs in the region (Tennessee's fall, Penn State's last few years under JoePa and subsequent uhh issues, as well as Clemson playing sleeping giant).
Yea I agree. Were very good for many years. Needed them and Miami to have maintained and we would have had some more leverage in trying to get some football schools to join. Just no consistency in football from the majority. Clemson also was not very good in the years VT was doing well.
Swoff went to the bargain rack and pulled out Pitt, thinking he had the state of Pennsylvania wrapped up. Granted Pitt used to have a good basketball team...used to, but no one in the state of Pennsylvania cares about Pitt football, not even Pitt alum. Penn St on the other hand, has a national alum fan base that are rabbit football fanatics. Swoff missed the mark big time on that deal.
program in the country since joining the ACC. That's better than Auburn, Texas, Southern Cal, Michigan, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Nebraska, UCLA, and Tennessee, for starters.
Miami hasn't yet reached their potential, and they're 32nd on the list, tied with Notre Dame and above the remaining programs.
VT is still the 17th winningest program of all-time while Miami is 33rd. The thing with Miami is they're a relative newcomer is a historical sense. They really "arrived" around the mid-80's. Since 1985, they're in a tie for 7th.. with Clemson University.
These two programs haven't been "great" especially as of late, but the potential remains with the right leadership. You have to feel Miami made a strong move with Cristobal, while Brent Pry at VT is obviously more unknown.
Miami and Virginia Tech would return to former prominence. Instead, they went into historically bad mediocrity and worse. There was NO good rationale behind taking Syracuse and Boston College, other than just two more warm bodies to pad out schedules.
Pitt was the only other addition that had any sort of football provenance other than FSU, VT, and Miami. Although, Louisville at the time before they joined had been having some success under Charlie Strong, and then Bobby the Bike Wrecking Volleyball Boinker Petrino, which is along with (a previously successful) basketball program, got them in.