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1st Rounder [633]
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How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:37 PM
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be ok with a "Talent Fee" added to our Tigers tickets?
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Legend [6612]
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Big NO. I am not working just to enrich a bunch of 18 year olds.***
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:42 PM
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and the other coaches?
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Paw Master [17636]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Right on cue....
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
Sep 19, 2024, 4:06 PM
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All day everyday!
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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So you like hypocrisy? ******
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 PM
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All-In [10367]
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Re: So you like hypocrisy? ******
Sep 20, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Do you work for free?
Big Difference between education and employment.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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Yet you want the athletes to work for less than fair market value.
Sep 20, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Hypocrite, much?
I don't want anyone to work for less than fair market value. You apparently do.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:05 PM
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Dude you are sad! He actually is employed and pays taxes and does indeed have a market value which was substantially high after his second national championship.
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Ring of Honor [22706]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Players also pay taxes and have a market value, but for now they're more like independent contractors. They'll be employees soon, though.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 PM
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Honestly be shocked if they were truly paying taxes on money they are receiving through these collectives. I would believe that most are handshake deals like it’s always been.
I’m not sure if anyone even knows what is being paid to who much less our government.
Guy that lived around Weddington said Shipley was getting over 300,000 while he was at Clemson. Did anyone know that? I try to stay in the loop but had never heard this.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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That's a pretty bold assertion.
Sep 19, 2024, 5:14 PM
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Got anything to back it up?
Given that the NIL collectives are chartered corporations, it's more likely that they withold 30% and issue a 1099 form for it.
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Trainer [43]
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Re: That's a pretty bold assertion.
Sep 19, 2024, 7:51 PM
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As a SC contractor i have never with held anything from a 1099 contractor its there responsibility to pay there taxes.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
Sep 19, 2024, 4:28 PM
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What is the market value on an 18 year old unproven 5 star RB right out of high school?
Wonder what DJ’s market value was coming out of high school. Dang somebody has paid megabucks for this kid at 2 maybe 3 schools no less and he will be working a regular job when he graduates.
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Ring of Honor [22706]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 PM
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Their market value is whatever someone is willing to pay them.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
Sep 19, 2024, 4:44 PM
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So basically it’s how much money can be collected to buy said player and it needs to be at least 10,000 more than your rival. Thy are throwing money at the wall in hopes it works out because them or no one else knows what his market value will be. Could be a DJ. They will throw stupid money to buy a 5 star.
I will go with “for market value” after I see him play.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: What do you pay to enrich Dabo...
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Sep 19, 2024, 5:01 PM
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I don’t mean to sound condescending. I do understand where you are coming from with the fair market value. I’m just stating no one actually knows what that is and folks are throwing money at stars.
Would not surprise me if the rating sites are not trying to get a cut by offering up a star increase to the player to make him/her more valuable, and get a 20% kickback after the said player gets his funding.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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Fair market value is whatever someone is willing to pay.
Sep 20, 2024, 11:40 AM
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That is independent of value AFTER the initial market decision.
I think you are conflating those two things.
They are just the same.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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So it's OK for the University to entich Dabo..
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:35 PM
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But giving some $$ to the athletes that actually do the work and take the physical risks is not?
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: So it's OK for the University to entich Dabo..
Sep 19, 2024, 4:51 PM
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So are you saying Dabo was offered a full ride at Clemson for 3-4 years? Dabo got hired to run a football program and offers schollies to those he deems are deserving. He could be canned tomorrow. It’s currently his profession. Most of the guys playing college ball will be working real jobs after they graduate.
If you are worried about health risks then maybe you should have played badminton.
If we have a losing season do any of the players need to worry about getting let go. You are talking apples and oranges but I believe you already know that.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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That's completely bogus.
Sep 20, 2024, 11:46 AM
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You're defending exploitation and lawbteaking as defined by the federal courts.
That is appalling.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: So it's OK for the University to entich Dabo..
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:55 PM
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Man come on over to my job and let me show you work. Me and your idea of work are way different. Would love to practice a few hours a day, eat good, get my degree, pump a little iron, hang out with my friends and run down the hill on Saturdays. Sounds a heck of a lot better than what I have done in my lifetime.
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Legend [6612]
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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That's deflection.
Sep 20, 2024, 11:42 AM
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He gets paid a ton of money.
Anyone that supports that but claims that the athletes shouldn't be paid is nauseatingly hypocritical. 🤮🤮🤮
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:41 PM
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Nope...
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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I would. A few extra $$ per game to get top talent
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:41 PM
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and keep it would be worth it.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: I would. A few extra $$ per game to get top talent
Sep 19, 2024, 4:06 PM
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You said earlier you didn’t even make the games? #### you don’t even give to the website?
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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I'd didn't say that I do.
Sep 20, 2024, 11:48 AM
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I said that I would. Do you have a literacy problem?
And...TNET fees have nothing to do with ticket prices. Duh.
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Ring of Honor [23378]
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I would.***
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All-In [10428]
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I'm ALMOST out now - that would push me to just watch The Tigers from
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afar.
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MVP [534]
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Re: I'm ALMOST out now - that would push me to just watch The Tigers from
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Same
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Orange Immortal [65900]
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Orange Immortal [65900]
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Not me.***
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Top TigerNet [30596]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:56 PM
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I'd have to know how Dabo was going to use the loot. That would be the deciding factor for many.
Since he is not going to use it for portal, and doesn't want to pay HS recruits, that only leaves paying current players. Not sure that is going to be a winning hand. Dont have to use portal, but you are definitely going to have to pay top HS recruits.
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1st Rounder [687]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 4:34 PM
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Since when did head coaches control what happens with the schools revenue? Dabo can campaign for people to donate to NIL and try to convince the school to explore revenue avenues, but it's not a football coaches decision on what happens with University money.
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Ring of Honor [22706]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Clemson is going to begin paying the players soon, and the money is going to come from the fans whether they call it a talent fee or just increase the prices.
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Asst Coach [806]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 3:00 PM
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Yes! Yes! a thousand times Yes! Money-Money-Money! we need it, got to have it! How can we make more? Can we add a service charge to the ticket? How about a mowing fee for the Hill? How can Clemson be expected to survive while we're going broke? You know, if we just a leave a strip of grass for the team to run down, I'll be we can squeeze in so many more seats!!! What else can we do?????
I know......I know....put up a toll booth at the Old Stone Church and charge people!!!! Think about all the money-money-money!!!!
Y'all got to get on the train here! We got to stop taking advantage of the players and start taking advantage of the fans! That's the way to the Promised Land of a National Championship!
Get out of that box you thinking in!!
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 3:24 PM
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Stupid to say that by Tenn. Incr 10% without saying why and you'd get much less grumbling
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All-In [10178]
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Yes , I'm all In***
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That may already be happening and we'd never know it.***
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Game Changer [2087]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 3:32 PM
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The average person has been priced out as it is. I think we need to start putting sponsors on the jerseys and Coaches shirts like NASCAR.
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1st Rounder [657]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 3:37 PM
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At this point I’m in favor. Everybody would contribute a little. It would be easy. And it’s really appealing to have the visitors contribute.
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Paw Warrior [4671]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 4:50 PM
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LOL! We contribute too much as it is.
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All-Pro [726]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Not until each NIL recipient pays back equivalent value of education and services available to them while at Clemson, probably around $250k for 4 years.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 4:11 PM
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And taxed. You want to get paid like the real world then you need all the benefits of what I get. Taxes
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Ring of Honor [22706]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:15 PM
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What makes you think they aren't paying taxes on their income? They're going to be in a lot of trouble with the IRS if they aren't.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 5:07 PM
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I do not believe all of the money these players receive now is on the books. We don’t hear about what these guys are making. I could report a small NIL deal and pay taxes on that and the Buckeye Collective or whatever they want to come up with could be giving me another 500,000 under the table. Some of these guys are making and talking stupid money and I’m not wrapping my mind around it be from their name, image and likeness. To each their own just my opinion.
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1st Rounder [687]
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 4:39 PM
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Let’s go ahead and open up the whole can and see who is getting paid what at every school.
NIL’s, collectives what ever is hitting a players pocketbook.
After they become employees of the school
unionizing will soon follow and after that we may miss football occasionally if the players decide the universities are not meeting their demands. It’s coming folks. Hope a few knowledgeable people are working behind the scenes to streamline this current chaos that is now college football. If not you will see the same 8 schools vying for a championship every season.
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Orange Immortal [62924]
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it'd be nice if IPTAY would chip in a little something, you know, for the cause.
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Sep 19, 2024, 3:43 PM
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Scholarships are passe. They're coming to play football, not play school.
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Letterman [197]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 3:53 PM
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I have no bigger pet peeve than hidden fees.
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All-In [10321]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 3:55 PM
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plus bikini races instead of the band
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Orange Blooded [2277]
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I can watch Pro Football on Sundays***
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:12 PM
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Paw Master [16674]
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It's already a better product and it's packaged better***
Sep 19, 2024, 4:15 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: I can watch Pro Football on Sundays***
Sep 19, 2024, 4:20 PM
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I’m watching more than ever. At least there is structure. What OSU is doing, of all the dang schools, saying they need 20 million dollars to do business.
What are the other less fortunate schools in that conference going to do to keep up? They are going to get beat down on players and facilities.
The group of 5 will be schools not conferences.
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Re: I can watch Pro Football on Sundays***
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:29 PM
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The other, less fortunate schools will cash their media revenue checks and lose to Ohio State most of the time, same as they were doing before NIL. Ohio State has always had more resources than those schools.
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: I can watch Pro Football on Sundays***
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Sep 19, 2024, 5:11 PM
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Yes. I was more into maybe finding a way to make more teams competitive instead of it actually trending in the other direction. I mean how good is the final product if you basically know before the season starts who will be there in the end.
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Paw Master [16674]
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Look at the point spreads...When was the last time you saw somebody favored by
Sep 19, 2024, 6:27 PM
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3 TDs on Sunday?
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Tiger Spirit [9471]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:15 PM
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We gave up our tickets the COVID year after it just became to hard to go because of our health, but if we were going, the fee would be paid without question. You can expect a fee of 3-4% to use your debit card and that is just standard business now. Fees on tickets are standard if you purchase online and that is just the world that we live in. The pathetic people that are jealous of the salary Dabo makes just need to give up big time college sports and maybe find a little D111 school to follow.
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Re: How many here, would
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I dont feel great about it.. but I dont want to be the only school not doing it... cant imagine that goes over well in recruiting.
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1st Rounder [687]
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Re: How many here, would
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:25 PM
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I wouldn't mind that much honestly. 10% is not a huge increase on a ticket price. I mean if I'm buying a ticket for 100 bucks and it increases to 110 to help the NIL fund, I wouldn't be mad about it.
Though I think a better idea would be to add a 2-4% fee on beer purchases once it starts. It would be a smaller even less noticeable amount and would raise plenty of money.
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Orange Blooded [2440]
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That's thoughtful. Clemson should do it******
Sep 20, 2024, 11:51 AM
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 4:29 PM
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Not I.
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Valley Legend [12180]
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Never, no way. Players have always been paid.
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Sep 19, 2024, 4:32 PM
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Have you every shelled out 4 years of tuition at Clemson? I have
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Tiger Spirit [9457]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 4:48 PM
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I am all for it
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Ultimate Tiger [35365]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 5:16 PM
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I’m out guys, cigar is done, but I do enjoy the banter as always. Like anything we all will never agree on everything which is probably a good thing!
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National Champion [8069]
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Nah!***
Sep 19, 2024, 5:18 PM
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Legend [6911]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 7:58 PM
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Just raise prices for the talent fee and don't call the increase anything.
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Rival Killer [3086]
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Re: How many here, would
Sep 19, 2024, 11:20 PM
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Yep would do it!
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Game Day Hero [4462]
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Sep 20, 2024, 11:32 AM
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Nah, I think that would be a step too far. College football is the one American sport that I follow regularly and I love my Tigers, but a "talent fee" would be my invitation to step out of spectator sports completely.
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