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DEAR DANNY KANELL
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/danny-kanell-dabo-swinney-s-stubbornness-is-stopping-clemson-from-regaining-acc-dominance/ar-AA1oL1FB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=444d50bc76414b14943d77517eb5111b&ei=10#comments
You have no idea what you are talking about whenever it comes to Clemson Football. Neither does anyone else criticizing Coach Swinney if I'm being honest. One cannot even begin to criticize Coach Swinney or his decisions until they can answer the following questions?
1. Who on this current roster would you strip a scholarship from? Would you take into consideration a player who has battled injuries?
2. Who from the previous transfer portal lineup would have been a great fit for Clemson's program culture and the current players on the roster? Does the locker room atmosphere matter?
3. Would it be worth paying a player from the portal to attend Clemson and play for the Tigers? If yes, would you be willing to pay anywhere between $500K and $1.5M to a player who has yet to contribute a single snap of football for Clemson? What if he turns out to be like DJU who squandered his opportunity at Clemson and had both Bojangles and Dr.Pepper NIL contracts.
4. Is it worth the risk of losing players who have contributed and had to EARN their NIL packages at Clemson? Players that are starters who are possibly in the TOP 3 at their respective positions. I know I would transfer from Clemson if I busted my butt and some kid from the portal was offered money from day one to simply attend Clemson. If you answer yes to this question, then you can expect Colorado results because that is exactly the scenario that Coach Deion Sanders has created for himself. This does not take into consideration the manhours spent on actually developing a player who may now transfer from Clemson to another program in pursuit of money instead of remaining at Clemson.
You see folks, coach and player relationships matter. Coach and player development matters. Coach and player loyalty matters. Deion Sanders and coaches like him are trying to buy championship teams. It will never work. Some may say that they want Dabo to take one or two players from the portal but fail to realize that every player in the portal worth recruiting comes with a price tag to be paid upfront. The players being recruited from high school are choosing Clemson with the understanding that Clemson has one of the best NIL programs in the nation, but they have to EARN it. In the long run, this will create better team competition at Clemson and produce more championship caliber teams.
That being said, those who are criticizing Dabo for not making a huge mistake please sit down and keep quiet. In King James English, thou shalt taketh severaleth seats.
GO TIGERS! BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF EVERYBODY!
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Re: DEAR DANNY KANELL
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Aug 14, 2024, 6:34 AM
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I think this is something a lot of portal thumpers don't realize. I'm all for getting a player or three that fits, but they have to be a fit. Don't grab a player that doesn't fit in or that will cause disruptions.
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The same is true for high school recruiting.
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Aug 14, 2024, 11:40 AM
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Our coaches claim to be so good at identifying good players and people when it comes to high school recruits. They should trust their process and judgment when it comes to the transfer portal as well.
Besides, as has been said here before, if our culture is so strong, it shouldn't crumble if the coaching staff misevaluates a player and he isn't who we thought he was.
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Re: The same is true for high school recruiting.
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Aug 14, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Our coaches claim to be so good at identifying good players and people when it comes to high school recruits. They should trust their process and judgment when it comes to the transfer portal as well.
Besides, as has been said here before, if our culture is so strong, it shouldn't crumble if the coaching staff misevaluates a player and he isn't who we thought he was.
Judge Keller, I'd say that Dabo and crew have a solid track record for recruitment. Sure, they miss on a few guys, and some choose Clemson and end up being a bust. However, that's the case with every team. The difference maker is that it won't cause disruption, nor will it cause a loss of money with Dabo's system.
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Sure, everybody misses in recruiting...We're the only ones not trying to correct
Aug 14, 2024, 4:00 PM
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those mistakes with older more experienced players and we are competing against teams that do...If UGa and OSU can find room for these corrections why can't we?
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Re: Sure, everybody misses in recruiting...We're the only ones not trying to correct
Aug 16, 2024, 4:48 AM
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those mistakes with older more experienced players and we are competing against teams that do...If UGa and OSU can find room for these corrections why can't we?
The good news is that as soon as we bring in some guy for $500K, we lose a 5 Star Freshman who is starting at Clemson. He chooses leave Clemson because he had to come in and earn his NIL whereas some other guy from the portal was paid from day one.
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This post is called Keeping It Real!***
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Aug 14, 2024, 6:46 AM
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He posts a rant against the portal almost every day so I guess he's
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:24 AM
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The realest of the real
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Transfer portal started in 2018. Has the program been on an upswing since then?
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Aug 14, 2024, 6:47 AM
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No. Dabo had it figured out. The portal changed the game and he didn’t adjust and the results on the field have been obvious. He wants it back to where it was. I get it. Unfortunately, Clemson winning 2 titles in 3 years was too much for the blue bloods to handle and changes were made that could benefit those big schools and keep Clemson out. The only way back in is to go SEC, but at this point do you really think the current SEC or Big 10 schools want to see what Clemson can do with their money when Dabo rolled them with ACC funds?
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Re: Transfer portal started in 2018. Has the program been on an upswing since then?
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Aug 14, 2024, 6:57 AM
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lol this is not a conspiracy against Clemson. That’s a left field take. Take the tin foil off my guy.
As far as the op is concerned, you can’t go totally against the grain and not expect to catch some slack for it. I like dabo as our coach but he deserves every thing he gets on this one. Some Clemson fans want to taught that this is the moral high ground way. Like the transfer portal is the spawn of satan and that just can’t be further from the truth. The nfl has been paying for draftees for 50 years without knowing how they would pan out. That is part of it. The top recruits are at the top of their skill and are in a high demand. They absolutely should get paid for that. The way the NCAA was allowed to operate was borderline criminal as laid out by the Supreme Court. That’s the only wrong here. There are multiple ways to acquire talent now and you are gendering yourself by not using all of them. Those are the facts and everyone not in Dabos cult and Dabo himself see it. How can you possible compete when your team is always young and others are back filling with talent that have years, sometimes, of college experience. Give me the 3 star that’s been in a program for 3 years over a 4 star freshman in a lot of cases.
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Re: Transfer portal started in 2018. Has the program been on an upswing since then?
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Aug 14, 2024, 7:32 AM
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How do you get that our team is always young? Check out the recruiting class sizes from all those teams you feel are outdoing us there. We are almost always on the lower side of incoming freshman class numbers. Why? Because we keep more in the program. We develop our guys and fill departures with those very same experienced players you clamor for - they just happen to be guys developing in our program and not some other. Occasionally it's an immediate impact freshman. Most often it's kids who have grown and developed up to that next level, kids who put in the work, trust the process, and bust through that proverbial wall and go the distance.
Remember 'next man up'? Yeah. Still happening here. That 3-star that's been in a program for 3 years that's going to outperform a 4-star freshman is more likely to be on our roster already.
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Re: Transfer portal started in 2018. Has the program been on an upswing since then?
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... was too much for the blue bloods to handle and changes were made that could benefit those big schools and keep Clemson out.
This is an absolutely laughable take. If you really believe this, then you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. The "Blue Bloods" did not want NIL. It was forced on college football by the legal system. Good grief.
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I know, it's laughable that people actually believe that crap.***
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Aug 14, 2024, 11:42 AM
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Tell 'em shill I
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Aug 14, 2024, 2:05 PM
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LOL
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100%, except it's Deer
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Aug 14, 2024, 7:53 AM
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That's from Hezekiah Chapter 7 vs 21.***
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:07 AM
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He's 100% correct
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:12 AM
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First my usual disclaimer for all of the triggered people: Dabo is the best Clemson football coach of my lifetime, and I don't want anyone else as our coach, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he does.
As far as your questions:
1. There are a number of guys on scholarship who's only contribution to the program is on the VLOG - but I'm not calling anyone out by name publicly
2. There are a handful of players we pursued this past cycle so clearly the coaches saw players in the portal that were upgrades. The narrative that we didn't need the portal only started after we failed to land them
3. Yes because that's what is required to win a natty in the current operating model
4. This is over played and over hyped. Elite athletes are competitors who understand they have to compete and win in practice before they're allowed to compete and win in games. Also, if the culture is as strong as we believe it, is won't the current players handle extra competition in the right way?
The portal is the way things are done now failing to use it is as deleterious as failing to use RPO or combo defenses; adapt or die.
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Re: He's 100% correct
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:35 AM
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At least you acknowledge that we do engage in the transfer portal when the situation fits. Too many complain on here, and in the media, that it's zero interest or effort, which clearly isn't accurate. Dabo clearly prefers keeping guys in the program that are producing, and keeping those who just need to crack that wall to reach their true potential.
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Re: He's 100% correct
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:41 AM
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Dabo clearly prefers to keep everyone in the program irrespective of whether they're contributing on the field. We won't cut guys like other schools which means we have to be 100% on evaluation and never over value a recruit.
The effort in the portal isn't zero, but it's surely not as much as it needs to be. Best is the standard and we're woefully short of that in our management of the portal.
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Re: He's 100% correct
Aug 14, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Dabo has never cut guys like other schools have yet has the hardware and consistent success that most can only dream of. No one is going to bat a thousand on recruits, or transfers for that matter, not even Dabo who is far and away more selective in the entire acquisition process than any other. That's how he turned classes averaging in the low teens into national champions, with a perfect season to boot, and why we will remain in the conversation for years to come with him at the helm.
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Before the transfer portal it was much harder to cut guys so fewer teams did it
Aug 14, 2024, 11:35 AM
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You may recall the uproar about Saban having so many guys "medically retire" due to injuries; that was his way to cut guys who didn't meet expectations while keeping em on Scholarship.
The old recruiting axiom was "it's not the guys you don't get that hurt you it's the guys you do get that can't play". Programs that now use the portal to ship guys out who can't play have a much greater margin of error in recruiting than we do. They couldn't do that as easily in the past.
It's a completely different world than it was 5 years ago; what Dabo did to get us two natties in that environment may not work in this one.
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Re: Before the transfer portal it was much harder to cut guys so fewer teams did it
Aug 14, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Yes, Dabo's way may not work in today's new wild west format, but it very well might. One thing is certain, though, and you can take this to the bank - Dabo is going to honor the commitments and promises he makes to his recruits and their families. Another bankable point - Dabo is not going to tamper with another school's players. Just like a decade ago many programs were clearly engaged with paying players, illegal tactics, and running underperforming kids off to make room for a new wave - and we beat their ##### just the same.
The recruiting axiom you quote for me has really been the crux of the recent struggles. We missed on a higher scale than normal during the Covid and non in-person period and those affected classes. Not so much from a talent standpoint - our class rankings were solid - but from that intangible area that Dabo has excelled in, where he delivers a whole greater than the sum of its parts. '23 and '24 look a lot more familiar to the pre-Covid successes, and '25 seems headed in that direction also.
One real issue with the portal is this - we don't have near as much time to do our due diligence than we're normally structured for. With HS kids, we've been tracking them for years, including many of the late offer variety. We have a great sense of what we're getting. Unless we're tampering and have advance notice of a portal entrant (which isn't going to happen) - we have weeks for this. If there's room for improvement, this is likely where it lies.
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Re: DEAR DANNY KANELL
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:17 AM
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Since Danny does not read t-net (to my knowledge) why not address him directly on X? He is very active so you could actually have a conversation with the source.
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I thought we liked DANNY KANELL***
Aug 14, 2024, 10:46 AM
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Re: DEAR DANNY KANELL
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Aug 14, 2024, 11:23 AM
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2. Who from the previous transfer portal lineup would have been a great fit for Clemson's program culture and the current players on the roster? Does the locker room atmosphere matter?
Just off the top of my head, I'll offer up the name Caleb Downs. Clemson recruited him out of High School and Dabo offered him a scholarship. Does that make him a good guy or a bad guy? So now a year or two goes by, but since he's in the transfer portal, he's all the sudden a bona fide bad guy? Please.
C'mon Chesty, you can do better than that.
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Maybe you forgot, but Danny Kanell has been very complimentary of our program
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Aug 14, 2024, 11:38 AM
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and has defended us many times in the past when there has been criticism from others.
The fact that he has written this critique now shows you just how bad things have gotten in Dabo world.
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Tell 'em shill I
Aug 14, 2024, 2:26 PM
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The money bothers people like you LOL
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LOL you need to come to grips that Dabo is overpaid
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Aug 14, 2024, 2:28 PM
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based on what he has delivered the last 3 years.
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So a program budget barely in the Top 25 finishes with two Top 15 rankings,
Aug 14, 2024, 2:45 PM
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a Top 20 ranking, a league championship, the 6th best record over that span, riding the country's 3rd longest winning streak, and he just broke our own NCAA historic record with a 14th straight post-season with a victory. He's also not breaking our NIL bank on purchasing portal players which allows Brad to do so, otherwise we could barely field a hoops team the way he hemorrhages his recruits.
What a shameless hack you are.
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Re: DEAR DANNY KANELL
Aug 14, 2024, 3:30 PM
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I agree man. I think we should be content with Clemson's ceiling being 10-2 every season because Dabo can do no wrong and everyone else is doing it wrong.
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