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Clemson Sports Icon [52200]
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Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:38 AM
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Because y'all got what you want? No complaints? No claims of fraud?
Crazy how that works.
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There was still plenty of fraud, it was just outnumbered.***
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:39 AM
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Clemson Sports Icon [52200]
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Sounds like y'all just make it up when it's convenient.***
Nov 6, 2024, 8:40 AM
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Ultimate Tiger [35782]
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So...8:40am the morning after and you state, seemingly as fact....
Nov 6, 2024, 8:41 AM
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that there was "plenty of fraud".
I know you're easily duped and don't know how to think critically, but that's an impressive statement, even from you!
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Campus Hero [13742]
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I guess you missed the multiple court cases the Trump team won yesterday.***
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:43 AM
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Ultimate Tiger [36428]
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Let's play a game of Link or Liar***
Nov 6, 2024, 9:00 AM
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Re: Let's play a game of Link or Liar***
Nov 6, 2024, 11:17 AM
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You can do this by yourself.
Look up:
Commonwealth of VA vs DoJ, in which the DoJ was arguing that VA’s attempt to follow its constitution by removing non-citizens from the voter roles should be more important than the DoJ’s attempt to prevent non-citizens from being purged from the voter rolls because the removals would be happening too close to the election (with VA law not allowing the voter rolls to be changed within 60 or 90 days of the election).
Fulton County, GA vs Republican Party, in which Fulton County skirted the law in which Republican poll watchers were allowed to observe all polling places and drop box locations, yet were denied having access to Fulton County election sites where early ballots could be dropped off in person. Fulton County judge … spoiler alert … ruled in favor of Fulton County; the technicality being that ‘election offices’ were not exactly the same as polling places. Thus, the ‘chain of (visual) custody’ in which Republican poll watchers could see who and how many ballots an individual would drop off at a polling location would not be able to see who and how many balllots an individual could hide under his cost and then drop off at an election office.
Commonwealth of PA (in one or more counties) closed polling sites hours early and told the middle age & old age white voters to go home. Republican Party had to threaten to sue the counties and Commonwealth of PA to stop suppressing the vote; Repubs also threatened to sue if PA counties PA govt didn’t provide extended days & hours of operation as relief to disenfranchised early voters.
There are cases in MI, AZ, and WI which come to mind … all involving local &/or state governments endeavoring to create opportunities to:
Impair the ability of Republicans to see voter rolls that the Democrat bureaucrats refused to let them see.
Prevent voter rolls from being purged of non-citizens / non-residents.
Accept ballots after Nov.5 for which no evidence (post mark) was available to prove that the ballot had been mailed on or before Nov.5.
These are just some examples. For every one of them, the state &/or county governments were fighting the Republicans. The Republicans won some and lost some.
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Ultimate Tiger [35782]
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Find your own details, losers***
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:06 AM
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Ultimate Tiger [35782]
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I thought you might be less FOS after the Trump win...
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:12 AM
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I was wrong...you're still a lying so and so
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Top TigerNet [32477]
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Member when it took them 2 weeks to count votes ? Too Big To Rig !***
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:41 AM
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CU Medallion [19046]
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Tons of fraud in the same places.***
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:43 AM
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All-Time Great [94314]
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Sounds like we should hold up everything, do audits and recounts
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:44 AM
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and make sure it was legitimate.
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Campus Hero [13742]
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Totally agree!***
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:46 AM
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All-Time Great [94314]
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Sounds awesome. That could stretch some time into next year.
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:58 AM
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And Biden and and Kamala will stay in office until its all sorted.
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Campus Hero [13396]
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Guess why the Biden / Harris DoJ wont sue to defend the Democrats
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Nov 6, 2024, 11:22 AM
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They won’t because the discovery process in the legal proceedings would reveal that the Democrats had been cheating.
Had the Democrats not been guilty again (here in 2024) of election malfeasance, then the DoJ would have already filed a bazillion lawsuits against the Republicans and the Trump campaign for stealing the election.
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All-Time Great [94314]
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You live in your own fantasy land.
Nov 6, 2024, 11:25 AM
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You, NJdev and Tom should form your bizzaro world country in Antartica.
Weren't you also on the "America is a joke" bandwagon?
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Game Changer [1715]
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Re: Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:44 AM
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Because y'all got what you want? No complaints? No claims of fraud?
Crazy how that works.
I am looking at 151 million votes cast in 2020 vs 137 million this time-that makes me question why the big decrease?
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All-Time Great [94314]
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I didn't vote--HTH
Nov 6, 2024, 8:45 AM
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I know a lot of folks who didn't
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Re: I didn't vote--HTH
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Nov 6, 2024, 11:25 AM
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With American democracy at risk of being destroyed and Donald Hitler racing to imprison all of those who didn’t support the Nazi-MAGA Party, how could you not vote?
You must hate America.
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All-TigerNet [5720]
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too big to rig
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what state do you want to challenge?
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All-TigerNet [5698]
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Pubs learned from last time - sounds like they were lawyered up big time and
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:44 AM
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swung into any precinct that was having issues...
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Re: Pubs learned from last time - sounds like they were lawyered up big time and
Nov 6, 2024, 11:31 AM
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This made a difference, and succeeded in preventing the cheating from being enough to overcome Trump’s substantial advantage in legitimate votes over the Democrats’ legitimate votes.
Some cheating still took place, but the Republicans were quick to identify this and capture evidence (thanks to the wider spread use of smart phones among older people than there was back in 2020) and summon resources to ‘cauterize the fraud’ before it became decisive.
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Re: Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
Nov 6, 2024, 8:44 AM
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You sure did wake up early , not even 6am yet in California.
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Give it up, Cata, you a LOOSER!***
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:49 AM
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I’ve already cited examples of fraud. It was caught and stopped (in most cases) this time.
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Re: Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
Nov 6, 2024, 8:54 AM
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Well to be fair this is an apples and oranges comparison with 2020. If, in 2020, every state had been mostly counted by midnight and Biden had won every swing state by pretty significant margins, any claims of chicanery would have been far more likely to fall on deaf ears. Sorry you're having a bad day.
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Orange Elite [5146]
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you side couldn't cheat enough this time.***
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Top TigerNet [31497]
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Are we including
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:14 AM
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The whole Biden to Harris flip?
To answer your question no. Confidence in these elections is much lower than it needs to be and in my opinion this is an area / topic that needs to be any inner circle of policies/government functions that need to be fortified in the first 100 days. I don't know how, nor am I any sort of proponent of the federal government doing this, but some high level benchmarks or parameters of acceptance would be a good starting point.
I.e. only votes by verified US citizens received from each precincts at 11:59 p.m. local time are eligible for submittal in a federal election.
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All-Time Great [94314]
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What are you saying regarding the Biden/Harris flip?***
Nov 6, 2024, 9:15 AM
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Top TigerNet [31497]
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that the blue team donors
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:28 AM
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selected a puppet candidate and leaned on their monopoly of narratives in an attempt to get her elected without running by their said electorate first.
like....what happened?...that's what I'm saying.
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All-Time Great [94314]
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Haven't we gone through this?
Nov 6, 2024, 9:36 AM
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Trump didn't have to participate in any debates either, and was "selected" by the RNC..that happens to be led by Trump's DIL.
Private companies, following their own rules.
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Top TigerNet [31497]
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Ok, boomer.
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:39 AM
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disengaging w/ you b/c I (not sure why, tbh) respect you. Not interested in slinging mud over pretty obvious facts.
good day bro
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All-Time Great [94314]
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No mud being slung.
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:40 AM
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Two corporations chose who they wanted as candidates.
I'm not sure where the disconnect is.
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Re: No mud being slung.
Nov 6, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Lol. He bailed. Good work. 👍
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That really wasn't my intent.
Nov 6, 2024, 11:07 AM
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I don't see Harris being placed in candidacy any different than Trump was.
My point was simply it just Mega Corps doing Mega Corp things. The DNC were just more obvious about it.
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Are you saying there were no Republican primaries?
Nov 6, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Because he’s pointing out that one party had primaries and one didn’t. If you agree with that you agree with him.
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I'm not saying that at all.
Nov 6, 2024, 11:28 AM
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Trump was conveniently excused from the debates, and I certainly believe that Trump arguing with Haley about rigged elections, the economic realities of 200% tariffs, and ending the Ukraine war with a phone call would have shown how out of touch Trump is with reality. Haley has twice the elocution and articulation than Harris does, and you saw what she did to Trump in debate.
His DIL being co-chair of the RNC doesn't hurt. He was "placed" as a candidate by RNC mega corp as much as Harris was.
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Yeah, that sucked and I didnt like it.
Nov 6, 2024, 11:30 AM
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But unlike Kamala, if Republican primary voters didn’t like his absence from debates as a strategy, they could have made him pay for it with a vote in favor of an alternate candidate.
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He was the chosen one before the primaries started.
Nov 6, 2024, 11:34 AM
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It wouldn't have mattered if he had come in last in the primaries.
I'm not going to comb through all my posts to find it, but I stated that early on, and it held to be true.
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TigerNet Immortal [176673]
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Are you claiming election fraud?
Nov 6, 2024, 11:35 AM
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Because if you’re saying he didn’t really win the Republican primary, that would be suggesting an illegitimate election.
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If so, I'm not the only one in here saying the election was still rigged.
Nov 6, 2024, 11:45 AM
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I'm saying RNC Corp had their candidate before the primaries ever started.
There was never a doubt who their candidate would be, even before the primaries started.
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TigerNet Immortal [176673]
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Are you saying the Republican primary was rigged or not?
Nov 6, 2024, 11:58 AM
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Knowing who the favorite is in a contest is a lot different than not having a contest at all.
If the Lions play the Panthers, I know who is going to win before the game is played, but it’s still a legitimate game outcome.
It’s a lot different than the Eagles clinching the NFC and then disbanding the club and telling Wando High School they can take their spot in the Super Bowl.
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All-Time Great [94314]
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I'm saying it was known by RNC mega corp that Trump would implode
Nov 6, 2024, 12:04 PM
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if he had been required to participate in the debates. So obviously, he doesn't have to do that. Because he's the favored candidate. I don't think anyone else got that luxury. I think RFK is kooky, but he didn't even get to participate.
Back to your analogy, if the Panthers go into the game with the stipulation that they get first downs after only 5 yards (and Detroit doesn't), does that change your bet?
Outright rigged on voting results? Probably not?
Heavily steered toward favoring the installed candidate? Ohhellyes.
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Re: I'm saying it was known by RNC mega corp that Trump would implode
Nov 6, 2024, 12:11 PM
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You’re saying things that make no sense to me.
Clearly he was favored by the primary voters because they voted for him in the primary.
I’m not sure why RFK would have been in a Republican Primary debate, he attempted to run as a Democrat before switching to independent.
I voted for Desantis. I recall precisely zero pressure from the RNC to vote for Trump.
Again, the primary difference in the election process for Trump and Harris to be the candidates for their respective parties is that the Republicans actually had one.
I don’t think James Carville himself would try to spin that Trump’s path to Republican candidate and Harris’s to the Democrats were equal in openness and transparency.
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I said it early on.
Nov 6, 2024, 12:17 PM
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Both the RNC and DNC are corporations.
They can choose to follow their own rules, and choose new rules as they see fit, like a rule to not follow their own rules.
If you think they are any different in their process and goals, I submit you are being fooled.
I've worked for a lot of super mega corporations, and their only difference I have ever seen is their size, and that usually determines their ability to drive their desired direction in how they can influence their surroundings. The rest of it is just superfluous details.
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Ok man, I dont know what youre arguing here, I really dont.***
Nov 6, 2024, 12:20 PM
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I can't state it more plainly.***
Nov 6, 2024, 12:22 PM
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Re: I can't state it more plainly.***
Nov 6, 2024, 12:34 PM
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That the RNC and the DNC are both corporations so Trump being the favorite from the moment he announced he was running and winning a valid primary election despite sitting out the debates is exactly the same as Harris getting appointed to the candidacy with no voter involvement.
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I'm not going through all this again, and in the end, it doesn't really matter
Nov 6, 2024, 12:46 PM
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We got what we got now, like it or not.
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Re: Haven't we gone through this?
Nov 6, 2024, 11:43 AM
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Debate participation is a straw man argument.
Voters in the Republican primary were not limited to voting for either Trump or a token nobody like Dean Phillips. There was a large contingent of high profile Republican challengers to Trump. Those who voted in the Republican primaries chose Trump.
Voters in the Democrat primary were denied the opportunity to choose from among RFK Jr or Biden (or any other established Democrat candidate that was not hand picked by the DNC). The voters in the Democrat primary were also denied the truth about Biden’s cognitive decline. (Good heavens Trump, as a candidate in the Republican primary, was attacked for everything real or imagined.). At the end of the day, the Democrat primary voters were given the choice between Biden and Undecided. That Undecided made a strong showing should have clued y’all into the fact that the Democrat Party leadership was doing something that was very undemocratic in practice.
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How many debates would "bird brain" Haley would have had to hand
Nov 6, 2024, 11:51 AM
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Trump hisass all over a national stage about Jan 6, rigged elections, tarriff consequences, and ending a war with a phone call would it have taken for a majority of Republican voters to not allow MAGA to steer the RNC Corp strategic direction?
Had Trump had a Kamala style beat down debate With Haley or Desantis back in June, and Trump started in with the "They're eating your pets!" craziness, you think he still would have been voted as the RNC candidate?
I mean YOU probably think it wouldn't have mattered, but most reasonable people would have fled from that insanity.
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I don't disagree in principle, but the devil's in the details...
Nov 6, 2024, 9:24 AM
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for instance...and this is just one example...what about military mail-in ballots from overseas. I read a good piece on this issues some time ago that I can't find quickly right now, but it laid out all of the challenges and compliance with The Uniformed And Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, which is a federal law.
The ballots have to come from the counties...mailed overseas...then mailed back overseas. There is something about the ballots having to be post-marked by election day...not returned by election day...and I think it has to arrive within 3 days (Friday after).
Also, there used to be...and likely still are...a lot of difference in state and local organization of election commissions based on rural vs urban. The piece made a case for how difficult it would be to try to standardize methods and time lines nationally/federally.
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Postmarked by election day
Nov 6, 2024, 11:22 AM
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10 days to arrive
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Re: I don't disagree in principle, but the devil's in the details...
Nov 6, 2024, 11:48 AM
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It’s my understanding that these ballots are held as provisional ballots as far as the presidential, congressional, and referendum initiative elections are concerned. They get counted if the margin of victory for any given candidate / referendum is less than the number of UAOCAVA ballots.
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Re: Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
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Somebody is angry that the donald is our 47th president.....
I cant wait to hear all of the mean fascist stuff that he will do only for it not to happen.
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He won the POPULAR VOTE by millions...
Nov 6, 2024, 9:26 AM
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What are you talking about? Are you stoned or just a senile old git?
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Some in here are saying it was rigged***
Nov 6, 2024, 9:37 AM
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I believe it's legitimate
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You'll hear no bitching from me that it was fraudulent.
But I see the host of crybabies in this thread--massive baby man children--who whined and griped for four years and posted all sorts of made-up BS about the 2020 election who now think everything's just fine.
Just admit it. You were a petulant sore loser in 2020.
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Asst Coach [885]
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Re: Soooo... this election was legitimate this time?
Nov 6, 2024, 12:02 PM
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It was a complete landslide that could not be stolen this time behind the Covid hoax. Every possible way to kick her ### he did.
I hope you choke on your misery each and every time you see his face or hear his voice.
Enjoy the next 4 years loser.
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Here's that "time to heal" that we need!***
Nov 6, 2024, 12:21 PM
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