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Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 7:53 PM
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This is the last thing I'll say about regarding the Michael Sam situation.
I have gay friends, one of them is one of my best friends. I have a gay family member who is very close to me.
Gay people come out of the closet because it's not entirely accepted in society (just read a few t-net post). A straight guy can introduce his new girlfriend to his parents & vice versa with a female & her boyfriend without retribution from his/her family.
Many have family members who would disown them because of their attraction towards the same sex. Many of them have friends that they want to keep, but are afraid of losing long friendships because their friends won't accept them for who they are.
**This one's for the homophobes**
If one of your buddies asked to bring a new person they're talking to over to your house you'd be cool with it right? Well what if when they showed up it turned out to be a man? Would you be totally accepting? Would you not think twice about it? Of course you would, you're a homophobe.
Gay people have to come out because they want to be accepted to the people their family & friends, but know that there are people in this world who are not going to accept them for it & there are people that will.
"Coming out" is about establishing yourself as a person & dealing with the acceptance & unacceptance of your family & friends.
So before you ask "Why do they need to come out, I didn't announce I'm straight?" Think about it. You're basically asking someone to not go out with their partner or show public affection, because you don't like it. Should someone really have to hide who they are out of fear that their friends & family won't love them anymore?
The day homophobia ends will be the day people no longer have to "come out", because they know they will accepted for who they are. You read it right, the reason people come out is because of homophobes.
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Thank you.
Feb 10, 2014, 7:58 PM
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Thank you for posting this. It's much appreciated, and I am grateful to hear it coming from someone who I presume is straight (based on your post). It's nice to know there are allies out there.
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Re: Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 7:59 PM
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I think kissing a person of the same sex in public does a pretty good job of letting people know your gay. Holding a press conference to announce it to the world on the other hand is just to stir up ####. Why do you care what people you don't even know think. I understand coming out to friends and family but don't see the need to let the world know. Just my two cents.
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Re: Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 8:02 PM
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I think his decision behind that was because he'd rather face the storm all at once rather than having to do it at whatever team he goes to. Or if he gets traded worrying about it again. Now everybody knows, so they can't accept him or not, the pressure's not on him at this point.
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That explanation makes no sense. He came out to the world
Feb 10, 2014, 8:32 PM
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but would be afraid to face his pro team???????
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That's not what he said.
Feb 10, 2014, 8:46 PM
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at all.
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Re: That explanation makes no sense. He came out to the world
Feb 11, 2014, 8:21 AM
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he is saying, i think, that it is better to put his chips on the table now knowing that the team that drafts him will be accepting with his sexual preference.
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Here's why:
Feb 10, 2014, 8:05 PM
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You can listen to Sam's comments to get a picture of why he felt he had to do this. As a top NFL prospect, he's already in the media spotlight. He felt that since so many knew, and he sense rumors were going around about his sexuality, that he needed to make the announcement himself before anything started beforehand.
It also makes a strong statement to others who are in the closet that they can be open too. If a top-notch college football star and likely NFL player can come out of the closet, then it can make it much easier for others to come out to their parents, other family, and friends. Athletes are role models and always have been (some positive and some negative). Michael Sam's is just fulfilling that role in a positive way.
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I think it is about economics
Feb 10, 2014, 8:09 PM
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They want equality under the law, insurance and benefits, etc. I knew this in 1988 when the coming out of the closet slogan came out. At least me recollection is 1988. Now and 25 years later, they are still fighting and the fight won't stop until they are equal under the law. They want to live a normal life and adapt kids and live among and we all should accept it as an alternative life style.
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Re: Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 8:18 PM
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It's so Sam can tell his story and not have a reporter do it for him. Sam wants to lead his life publicly as a gay man similar to the way straight people live their lives: there will be pictures on Facebook, Twitter, all that stuff. People would've found out about it and if he hadn't came forward proactively the distraction would've been worse and ongoing until he outed himself.
So, even though it may come off as "I'm Gay and proud and screw you if you disagree, and I need to be celebrated", that wasn't his intention; it's just the way the media drive everything into the ground. And, if you live under a rock, most gay people aren't like that as well -- they just want to lead normal lives.
Nice post Haden53!
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That's about gheyest thing I've ever heard
Feb 10, 2014, 8:02 PM
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Just kidding
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The younger generation
Feb 10, 2014, 8:07 PM
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is much more accepting of it in general and the "sexuality is fluid" and "pansexuality" are really gaining steam. If you go on tumblr you can see that teens from like age 14-18 dont give a #### about the labels anymore.
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basically the people against it should enjoy it for about
Feb 10, 2014, 8:29 PM
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5-10 more years because homphobia is fading fast, very fats among the young people.
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Re: Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 8:08 PM
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Don't use the term homophobe to describe someone who doesn't support gay rights. That's a huge misconception that the media drives into the masses.
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Re: Tell 'em Boss***
Feb 10, 2014, 8:26 PM
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so, the same reason coots come on tnet?
Feb 10, 2014, 8:14 PM
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You say they come out because it's not completely accepted by society? I think that's a pretty obvious statement as to why they come out.
I too have gay friends and many are people I admire and respect. I accept them and love them. However, that does not mean I condone that part of their life. In fact, I have friends that do a lot of things I don't condone and I'm sure I do things they don't agree with.
We can "celebrate" and embrace this lifestyle all we want, but you aren't going to force people to agree with it.
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I doubt the gays care whether you accept their lifestyle***
Feb 10, 2014, 10:10 PM
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That is where you are wrong
Feb 11, 2014, 12:12 AM
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I am expected to not just accept, but embrace. If I do anything else I am a biggoted, homophobe (see post on TNet). Moral relativity at it's highest. The wind is your guide...follow where it blows and see how far that takes you.
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Well said.***
Feb 10, 2014, 8:19 PM
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Re: Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 8:37 PM
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I realize you're probably looking for some kind of post that says "being gay is great, it's not any worse than being heterosexual, it's just a personal choice, God has no preference, homosexuality is moral, etc.... Unfortunately, none of that is true.
What is true is that Homosexuals are people who are loved by God, just like everybody else. We're all sinners.
That being said, homosexuality will never be something that will be held up as an acceptable lifestyle by anybody that knows God. Why? Because it's a sin. Who says so? God. That's going to enrage a lot of people, especially homosexuals, and progressive liberals who think that they decide get to "what's right and wrong" in the world. If you're seeing red right now you're exactly who I'm talking directly to.
God decides and he's the judge. No amount of moral relativism, PC thought police, or bullying is going to change that. While I've never judged homosexuals for being homosexuals I don't hold them up as moral role models either. Why? Because it's a sin. Who says so? The ultimate moral authority, God.
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Its not a sin....
Feb 10, 2014, 8:44 PM
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get over yourselves.
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Re: Its not a sin....
Feb 10, 2014, 8:52 PM
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Really?
Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?
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Sorry....
Feb 10, 2014, 8:55 PM
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It is only about violations of hospitality rules of the ancient near east.
Go educate yourself.
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Re: Sorry....
Feb 10, 2014, 8:58 PM
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Some people beyond reason....sigh.
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not everyone believes in the bible you know***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:11 PM
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That's an interesting thought.
Feb 10, 2014, 9:16 PM
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Believer-"Everything in the Bible is true because its from God"
Non-Believer-"You mean the God that the Bible writes about?"
Believer-"Yes"
Non-Believer-"So a book on God that talks about that God is true because the God in that book says so?"
Believer-"Yes"
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Some people don't agree with a literal interpretation
Feb 10, 2014, 10:13 PM
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myself included. A lot of the anti-gay Bible thumpers are the ones with the most literal interpretations of what they read.
ex: I'm not a creationist. To me, Genesis is a beautiful, metaphorical story. That doesn't make me a "lesser" Christian, I'm just one of the many kinds.
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Re: not everyone believes in the bible you know***
Feb 10, 2014, 10:25 PM
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Religiosity decreases as intelligence increases. Meanwhile, fundamentalism increases as intelligence decreases. You do the math.
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Can you back that up with examples?
Feb 11, 2014, 12:18 AM
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Because this is not an actual arguement...it is a "win the room" kind of statement that is expected to be accepted at face value...the kind of thing that "smart" people love to do.
I would ask you to consider C.S. Lewis. I am certain you don't have a 10th of his mental capacity or intelligence, yet as he researched and learned Christianity, trying to disprove it, he ended up leaving atheism to become one of Christianities greatest defenders. Clearly he is an example of your statement...eh?
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To quote your own links
Feb 11, 2014, 5:17 AM
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"As always, the word “correlation” is important. It hasn’t been shown that higher intelligence causes someone to be less religious. So, it wouldn’t be right to call someone a dimwit just because of their religious beliefs. Unless, of course, you are an ancient playwright looking to provoke your audience."
Regardless, I will be glad to accept your theory. The Bible is pretty clear that the cross if folly to those who are perishing...
"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe."
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
If you feel the need to call me dumb/weak minded/less intelligent/unlearned/...whatever...I wear that badge with honor.
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Does the New Testament ring a bell?
Feb 11, 2014, 8:18 AM
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What did Jesus say about homosexuality? Since Jesus is the source of Grace, the Old Testament was trumped by the New. Were I a Christian, I'd concern myself more with the actual word and deed of the Christ than some old bronze age fables.
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Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell?***
Feb 10, 2014, 8:53 PM
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Of course - what's your point?***
Feb 10, 2014, 8:59 PM
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Duh???***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:01 PM
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?***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:02 PM
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I assume you think Soddom and Gommorah was God saying
Feb 10, 2014, 9:09 PM
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that homosexuality was a sin. I think it was the ancient Hebrews describing, based on their times, culture and all of it's limitations, what they thought God was saying.
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does this ring a bell?...
Feb 10, 2014, 9:18 PM
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Matthew 7:1-2 “Judge not, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
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Re: does this ring a bell?...
Feb 10, 2014, 9:22 PM
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Who's judging?
Stating that God says homosexuality is a sin hardly judging.
It's really not confusing.
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It's clearly a matter of interpretation
Feb 10, 2014, 10:14 PM
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Saying with 100% certainty that it's a sin just shows your lack of understanding that much in the Bible has been interpreted many different ways.
Use the Google, read up on alternative interpretations of Sodom. The more you know.
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The same book also lists
Feb 10, 2014, 10:48 PM
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Eating shellfish as an equal sin to homosexuality.
Hope you haven't been to an oyster roast lately.
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You mean two cities...
Feb 10, 2014, 10:44 PM
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That are likely fictional and didn't exist? In an area that has produced little archaeological evidence they existed?
I'm glad we're still basing our social policies on that. Any Atlantis stories we can use to shape our laws and regulations?
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The Old Testament ....is so old.
Feb 10, 2014, 8:54 PM
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Nice try.
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So...that's the only part of The Bible that actually
Feb 10, 2014, 8:58 PM
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(almost) forbids homosexuality...shame.
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Re: So...that's the only part of The Bible that actually
Feb 10, 2014, 9:00 PM
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That you don't understand the Bible, that's a shame.
Seeing red yet? Lol
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A loving, committed, MARRIED, homosexual relationship
Feb 10, 2014, 9:01 PM
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is not sinful at all...
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Re: A loving, committed, MARRIED, homosexual relationship
Feb 10, 2014, 9:03 PM
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...so says SATAN.
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Re: A loving, committed, MARRIED, homosexual relationship
Feb 10, 2014, 9:08 PM
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p.s. Only men and women can be married.
Marriage is defined by the bible as a union between man and woman. So homosexuals can never be "married".
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I hope you didn't have pre-marital sex!***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:12 PM
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Is Heterosexuality inherently sinful?
Feb 11, 2014, 10:07 AM
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Neither is Homosexuality. Why is one viewed as inherently sinful, and the other is not?
Both hetero and #### sex can be either sinful or not sinful; depending on the relationship.
There's a lot of sin in heterosexual relationships, and the same with homosexual relationships. On the flip side, I believe that there can be acceptable relationships for both orientations.
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### is "homophobia"?
Feb 10, 2014, 8:47 PM
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Is anyone who disagrees with same sex relationships somehow afraid of homosexuals?
I don't give a #### regardless, it's no one else's business but their own who they kiss and snuggle with.
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not agreeing with or accepting a lifestyle is not
Feb 10, 2014, 8:58 PM
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Homophobia or make one a homophobe.
And I'm all for gays living how they want buy don't start calling names. Its like when libs call everyone racist at the drop of a hat.
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Re:Yep***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:12 PM
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Nope.***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:26 PM
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And that's why you will be considered a bigot
Feb 10, 2014, 9:28 PM
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there is no compelling argument against basic human rights.
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That's okay, I am not a Coot and a promoter of
Feb 10, 2014, 10:45 PM
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homosexuality.
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Care to take that a little further?***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:34 PM
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All-In [42204]
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Stop it. Just stop it.
Feb 10, 2014, 10:32 PM
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You're making me agree with this POS Classof09 and I've already had a shower today. Stop.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Believe it or not our lives aren't about how we can have sex with
Feb 10, 2014, 9:13 PM
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Luckily Hebrews 13:4 tells us that the bed of marriage is undefined. Which basically condones the act within the institution of marriage.
Unfortunately for the Gays Jesus seems to tell us that marriage is between one man and one woman in Matthew 19:4-6
Remeber a time not too long ago when people weren't hoping into bed with whoever they wanted to. An those that were sexually promiscuous were generally looked down on.
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110%er [6937]
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Re:Bo, we are not sophisticated enough. We have to adopt
Feb 10, 2014, 9:16 PM
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this revisionist attitude. Personally, I am passing.
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Orange Blooded [2455]
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Marriage is no longer just about religion in the US
Feb 10, 2014, 10:20 PM
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There are tax and other benefits. The reason most gays are pushing for "gay marriage" is because it currently is the only way they can be treated equally.
There really are only two ways to proceed:
#1: Add gays to the definition of "Marriage" in the US. This is the current approach. #2: The government stops calling all unions "Marriages". Hetero and Homos are joined in Civil Unions. Marriage just becomes a matter for each individual church (some of which will adopt the definition with gays).
I'd lean towards #2. Take Marriage out of this and just make it a business decision, as far as the government is concerned.
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Athletic Dir [884]
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Fullofcrapophobes
Feb 10, 2014, 9:15 PM
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If you think people who do not share your views and beliefs on the subject of homosexual acceptance are homophobes I say you are a full-of-crap-o-phobe. I don't care if the dude is in love with a Canadian moose. It's his life and this is a free country. But this non-stop agenda to attempt to force everyone to embrace this lifestyle or get called names and/or some type of b!ggot may as well stop. People have different beliefs. If you want me to respect your beliefs you should respect mine. Referring to people who do not agree, support, or embrace homosexuality as homophobes is not the best way to win someone over. Again it's an individual's own business how they live their life. We all have to tolerate others to a degree to function as a society. If you plan to get that tolerance try giving some back instead of name calling.
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Re: Oh, heck no, they want to flaunt it in your face and in
Feb 10, 2014, 9:18 PM
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front of others. Plus, they want the Obama insurance and want you to subsidize the premium.
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Agreed....
Feb 10, 2014, 9:21 PM
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Its a person's own business if they are born gay, straight, 7 feet tall, a midget, black, white, mentally challenged, blind, deaf.....should I go on?
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The intellectual dishonesty of comparing a mental desire to
Feb 10, 2014, 9:26 PM
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A physical characteristic that persists is amazing.
So should pedos be excused because they were born that way?
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At what age did you decide to desire women?
Feb 10, 2014, 9:35 PM
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For me it just happens physically, not by choice...maybe you are bi?
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The intellectual dishonesty of comparing homosexuality to
Feb 10, 2014, 9:36 PM
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pedophelia that persists is amazing.
Pedophilia is wrong because it hurts people; pedophiles who act out require victims.
Homosexuality does not hurt anyone; homosexuals who act on their desires only require a willing partner (just like heterosexuals).
It's not merely the fact that people are born that way that makes it wrong or right.
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jeffrey dahmer says wut?
Feb 10, 2014, 10:06 PM
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ok, i had to; don't hate.
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Ding Ding
Feb 10, 2014, 9:25 PM
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...we have a winner, nice point.
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So, um...
Feb 10, 2014, 10:36 PM
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People who go against others who demonize homosexuals are fullofcrapophobes (afraid of people who are full of crap)?
So, going with the converse of that, does that mean people who aren't accepting of homosexuals are... um... full of... crap?
Help me understand what you're saying.
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Two guys dipping their dongs in each other is their business
Feb 10, 2014, 9:23 PM
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Me not accepting it is mine. Get over it.
It's unhealthy physically and mentally unhealthy behavior as medical evidence shows, but is hushed up or not discussed because it doesn't fit the agenda being pushed.
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Aids much?***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:27 PM
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I thought I'd read the best posts in this thread,
Feb 11, 2014, 9:02 AM
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and then truetiger happened.
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What human right are gay people denied?
Feb 10, 2014, 9:32 PM
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I have heard of none.
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Re: What human right are gay people denied?
Feb 10, 2014, 9:39 PM
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As you can see, none of the rights listed below have anything to do with religious or church-based issues. These are all civil benefits extended by our civil government to married couples. In a country that espouses "all created equal", clearly all married couples in this country are not enjoying the same rights and privileges.
Denied Equal Social Security Survivor or Spousal Benefits — Unlike opposite-sex couples, same-sex spouses cannot continue to claim their partner’s higher rate of benefits after their spouse has died. This can result in an average loss of $5,700 per year. This is just one way in which DOMA impacts social security and survival benefits.
Denied Equal Treatment for Bi-National Couples — There are nearly 26,000 same-sex couples in the United States who are bi-national and could be forced to separate because they cannot participate in green-card and accelerated citizenship mechanisms. Denied Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) Benefits — Estimates suggest that 43,000 employees would qualify for medical leave pay but are denied it because FMLA does not cover leave to care for a same-sex partner.
Denied Benefits for Spouses of Federal Employees — The Williams Institute estimates there are around 30,200 federal employees with a same-sex partner who, not being federal employees themselves, are denied spousal benefits because the federal government does not recognize same-sex marriages. This impacts health care coverage and work/injury compensation to name but a few.
Denied Veteran Partner Benefits — Around 68,000 veterans have same-sex partners that are barred from pension benefits, educational assistance and vocational training, as well as many other benefits.
Denied Equal Treatment in Taxation of Employee Health Benefits — If a company has implemented a health benefit scheme that covers same-sex partners, benefits that are taxed under federal law mean an unfair burden on both employees and employers. The Williams Institute suggests this disparity may run to over $1,000 a year.
Denied Equal Treatment in Inheritance Tax — Same-sex spouses are treated as legal strangers by the federal government and are therefore subject to different rules governing inheritance tax, so for couples that exceed the non-taxable transfer of assets there is an additional tax burden that the institute calculates could amount to, on average, as much as $4 million.
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Well I was talking about human rights not marriage benefits
Feb 10, 2014, 9:46 PM
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It is interesting that all of those grievances boil down to money.
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Other than the hateful idiots I'm not to sure of human
Feb 10, 2014, 9:52 PM
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right abuses the government does.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Well there are hateful idiots everywhere
Feb 10, 2014, 9:57 PM
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And they've been there since the dawn of mankind. So I guess we are good then and the LGBT can drop the Equal Rights campaign.
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Re: Why gay people come out. (long) Last line is most important
Feb 10, 2014, 9:58 PM
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Message was edited by: haden53®
I agree that was a very important part.
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