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Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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(or someone like him) than win without him.
I'm not saying I blame the kids for wanting to cash in. I'd be hard-pressed to persuade the 18-year-old version of myself not to do the same thing.
But if Clemson football falls back into mediocrity (from a win/loss standpoint) and yet remains a beacon on a hill (from a priorities and integrity standpoint), I'd be okay with it.
Give me 85 guys who see playing for Clemson as a privilege instead of a quick payday, I'll pull for them all day, win or lose.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Heck no, dabo is not bigger than Clemson. You play the sport to win. If that’s the mentality we are going to have just get rid of the football team.
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Right... and Clemson is bigger than football.
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Jul 7, 2024, 3:44 PM
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I would rather stay out of pro amd semi pro and stick with amateurs. You know... STUDENT athletes.
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If we are going to do that, then we should start making the players qualify
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with academic performance and test scores comparable to the general student body, rather than allowing them to be accepted to Clemson with grades and scores way below that just because they are good at a sport.
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Yes, i agree.***
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My desire for college athletes to be on par academically is not Dabo hate.
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In fact, it has nothing to do with Dabo.
It has everything to do with D-1 selling its soul a long time ago for the almighty dollar.
Clemson does an outstanding job recruiting players who are capable of doing well in the classroom. Even though the AARC got a lot of criticism in the past, the objective of the committee is good: evaluate potential student-athletes academically to ensure that they have a good chance of graduating from Clemson.
Dabo also does an outstanding job prioritizing players’ attendance in class, having mandatory study hours, and putting them on a path to making good grades and graduating. I love this about him.
Nonetheless, Clemson still accepts a lot of players who would not have a chance of getting into Clemson if they weren’t great at a sport. That’s not just a Clemson problem, it’s a division I big time sports problem. But I feel that colleges are being hypocritical to act like academics matter when they know they are accepting subpar students only because they are good at a sport. Many of these players major in “athlete-friendly” majors and have a ton of advantages regular students don’t have such as tutors, testing accommodations, etc.
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Re: My desire for college athletes to be on par academically is not Dabo hate.
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Jul 8, 2024, 10:38 AM
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I wonder what ever happened to getting 2 year guys out of junior college. Seems that is not a thing anymore?
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Re: My desire for college athletes to be on par academically is not Dabo hate.
Jul 9, 2024, 1:31 AM
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Clemson football never got JCs because their credits wouldn't transfer. But now the JCs are just TP guys in the portal listing. Most dont graduate from JC as they jump to Portal before they graduate if they are decent.
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Right. And pro sports = yawn.
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Jul 8, 2024, 3:12 PM
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Again, I'd rather have 85 guys whose names I know and recognize after four years than a group of mercenaries looking to cash in and move on.
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Re: Right... and Clemson is bigger than football.
Jul 9, 2024, 4:06 PM
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I too would rather watch real amateur student athletes and not expose our kids to teenage multimillionaires lording around campus like royalty. I don’t see a path back to that though.
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Embracing and utilizing the portal and NIL isnt buying a title.
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Jul 7, 2024, 7:28 PM
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It’s a necessary part of recruiting today, with the goal of creating a team that wins at the highest level.
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Re: Embracing and utilizing the portal and NIL isnt buying a title.
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That's right, titles can't be bought, but the players that can help win those titles can be bought. And buying top athletes that can help win titles has been going on since the beginning of college sports. And anybody would have to be a complete idiot not to believe that the schools that have won the most titles have paid more athletes than any of the others that have won less!!!
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Embracing and utilizing the portal and NIL isn't buying a title
Jul 8, 2024, 3:45 PM
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for the basketball team. That's true enough. But it's buying a lot of players. And in Clemson basketball, I do believe portal/NIL is a necessary tool given the one-and-done rule, and the ridiculously tough ACC recruiting cycle.
And I think if Swinney went great guns on NIL and the portal, I bet it'd buy a couple or three more trophies to put in the case over at Reeves.
I'm saying I don't mind it if Swinney doesn't do that, and the trophies don't come, because I believe in the long run, the program may be better off.
I'm fairly indifferent to whether the basketball program uses it.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Agree, if we're not in it to win and win within a top 25 level, I would be very ok if Clemson got rid of all the sports programs. Clemson will always be a really good institution for higher learning that offers diplomas and degrees with some clout!!!
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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I think it's fair to argue that much of the increase in Clemsons application numbers and national visibility is directly related to wins on the football field. Why not participate in NIL/portal, win titles, and improve academics all at the same time? Settling for an average football program impacts more sports than just football, and has an economic impact as well as an academic impact. While I agree with Dabos argument, the recent results are not confidence inspiring. All good coaches innovate and adapt. This is beginning to look like a failure to adapt.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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It's equally fair to argue that the jump in out-of-state applications
Jul 8, 2024, 3:46 PM
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is due to something other than football success, given where they're coming from.
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Re: It's equally fair to argue that the jump in out-of-state applications
Jul 8, 2024, 7:13 PM
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Maybe, but the success on the field directly correlating to an uptick in applications seems to be more than a coincidence.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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How long do we wait? If we are 4-4 again next season is it time? If we miss the playoffs? 1 year, 2 years, 5 years? Wait to long to adapt to what others are doing and we may be too far behind to recover.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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I suspect in 1, 2, 5 years the NIL/portal will not look
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like it does today, and Swinney's gonna be sitting there telling folks he told them so.
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Re: I suspect in 1, 2, 5 years the NIL/portal will not look
Jul 8, 2024, 7:12 PM
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I suspect it will be regulated, but the cat is too far out of the bag.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Good Grief! That's like a coot. We should just put up a huge banner (from the upper deck to the ground) with Dabos picture on the side of the stadium like they did with Spurrier.
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110%er [3787]
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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I mean not a bad idea… he has won 2 national championships. Spurrier did nothing of the sort at USUCK.
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110%er [3787]
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 4:04 PM
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At the very least he will obviously be in the ring of honor someday and have a statue. Who knows the stadium may be named for him at some point.
To expect anything less for the greatest coach in school history would be a bit absurd.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 7, 2024, 6:05 PM
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It’ll probably be the field, “Swinney Field” @ Memorial Stadium. And it should be.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 6:16 PM
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Nope. It is already Frank Howard Field.
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Paw Master [16994]
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Re: Comparing Swinney to Spurrier is like comparing
Jul 8, 2024, 8:13 PM
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From a character standpoint, Dpurrier couldn’t carry Dabo’s jockstrap!
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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I don't think anyone will do better than Dabo anyway, so I am good with him.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Dabo is a winner and has a strong desire to win, so I am good winning with a man of integrity. Dabo is not bigger than Clemson, not even close, but he is the perfect leader for our FB team.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Dabo is just a man...the university transcends individuals but not necessarily the things they do make the light shine more clearly! LSU coach won big, got drunk and beat up his wife...again (not my kind of coach) Switzer at Oklahoma...what a guy! Dabo still makes me proud thay he is our HC...8-4 or 12-0...still Dabo...his 8 are better than the FSU wins at check out time..how those Oranges taste!
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Solid Orange [1339]
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Good point...how you achieve an outcome may in some cases be as important as what you are after...to act like FSU ( FSWTC) would not be worth 12 wins...everyone in sports should want to win...at what cost? Miami won several national titles years ago...have Miami alumni who are not proud of those ...must be different bunch of folks from those protesting below!
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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I disagree.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Mediocrity probably doesn't pay 11.3 mil per year.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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A lot of truth in this post.
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Re: Clemon's athletic revs have jumped 219% since 2009.
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I never said Dabo was mediocre. You said you were okay with mediocre. I'm just suggesting the people who sign Dabo's checks might not be thrilled with mediocre. Maybe I'm wrong about that and they'll settle for hanging "Beacon On a Hill" banners in the stadium.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Yeah it's a certainly a possibility.
Jul 8, 2024, 3:55 PM
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I never said the money would agree with me.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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I will agree with that statement. Take that 11 mil away from Dabo and tell him that Clemson can only afford to pay him 3 mil, he would leave Clemson and be long gone with the quickness!!!
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National Champion [7178]
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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If that’s the case Clemson can go get a coach with a cheaper price tag and same results.
11 mil a year is to win championships plain and simple
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100848]
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With U all the way A1ASauce
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Jul 7, 2024, 4:00 PM
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It's called winning, and losing, with Integrity.
And glad you aren't a meanie like hotsawce.
LOL~
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Re: See my previous.
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Let see if those donors feel the same if the decline continues.
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Re: See my previous.
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That don't even make sense, those clauses in his contract that gets his salary to the full 11.5 million means that he has to at least make it to the higher levels of winning, and everything that he has accomplished to this point still brings him an added price to his contract. Without the championships his salary wouldn't be anywhere near that 11.5 million. If Dabo was to leave for another school, what he has accomplished at Clemson will be added to a contract as his value even on a new contract at another school. If it didn't, he would remain at Clemson bc he would never agree to a contract for less than what he gets at Clemson...
Dabo's worth is bc he is known as a HC that can win championships, and that's what another school would have to pay for...
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Clemson and Swinney got the Current national FB status and recognition as well as the money and fan support by winning, not by losing. Start going 7-5, 8-4, and NOT winning any conference championships and see how quickly all that disappears.
It certainly won't attract the top talent and won't be worth paying a coach the highest salary in CFB. THOSE 7-5, AND 8-4 SEASINZ WILL SOON BECOME 5-6 AND 6-6 SEASONS ONCE THE TALENT COMPLETELY DRIES UP.
SOME OF YOU FANS ARE TRULY LOSERS. YOU WANT TO PULL FOR A LOSER, THERE'S ONE DOWN THE ROAD AWAITING YOUR ARRIVAL.
YES, I'M SHOUTING BECAUSE THIS MENTALITY IS CULTISH.
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Cultish? Hardly.
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I know of few cults that place a premium on character and gratitude over instant gratification and greed.
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Re: Cultish? Hardly.
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Why do you consider it greed when a player acts what he thinks is in his best interests? If a player chose a school over Clemson for academic reasons, would that be greed? What about choosing a position coach at another school the player thought would better help him develop for the NFL, is that greed? Why is it greed only if the player takes the better financial deal?
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That's fair enough. It's not always about the money.
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I know that, given the sheer volume in the portal, there must be players who make choices that have little to do with short-term (NIL) or long-term (NFL) financial gain.
But to suggest the UGA's and Alabama's and Oklahoma's and the list goes on of the D1 world aren't absolutely appealing to these kids on the basis of money -- and ONLY money -- is beyond naive.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 7, 2024, 4:49 PM
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That was in reply to junk yard. The fun is in winning. Remember who said that.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 7, 2024, 8:10 PM
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Absolutely, he is paid for what he has proven he can do, stop doing it and watch how fast that 11.5 starts to shrink, he will have a lead way bc no school would expect him to win championships every year or 2 or 3 years, but he better be getting to what he says a lot, only a play of two away...
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#1......we're the ones not playing by the rules.......NIL & portal are legal now
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#2......if you think we WERE playing by the rules before NIL/Portal then you are very naïve.
Just USE THE PORTAL (which is within the rules)...........USE NIL (which is within the rules). We have a lot more money then many fans think.
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Pheebo.....some ppl aren't going to listen....
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You are right....$$$ generally isn't the issue. Ppl can believe what they want. If you think we aren't getting Sanders b/c of the lack of $$$...well....SMDH
If anyone didnt think our recruits haven't received benefits before the modern-day NIL world.....well...........................SMDH....
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And those portal players said no.
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‘cause we don’t pay as much as others do.
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your point?......it worked for them.***
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Outside of that epic, record setting beatdown they suffered at the hands of
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UGA because all their mercenaries bailed, after getting left out of the CFP at 13-0 - yeah! Amazeballs! Where do we sign up?
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If missing the CFP and getting embarrassed by UGA's mercenaries
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because *their mercenaries all quit was the goal then yes, it worked for them quite well.
Or, having just read their post, what Wildblulou said LOL.
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Re: #1......we're the ones not playing by the rules.......NIL & portal are legal now
Jul 7, 2024, 8:23 PM
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There is or close to 85 scholarship players on a college FB team, and everyone of those expect to get something, and without the needed big businesses in and around Clemson, he won't be bringing in the NIL money as the schools that are located in big cities where there are a lot of businesses that are willing to donate to that schools NIL fund or to certain big time players to support their business In Name, Image and Likeness. I'm that the burger joints donate to use the Clemson name in their advertisements, but it isn't enough to assure Dabo that he can offer a large bundle of money every year that he is playing at Clemson, and that is why with Clemson being in such a small area hurts with bringing in a lot of NIL donations for Dabo to offer the really elite athletes....
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Re: #1......we're the ones not playing by the rules.......NIL & portal are legal now
Jul 7, 2024, 10:41 PM
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Coach DS has no involvement with NIL (isn’t that illegal?). Boost are NIL funding and give them a chance to make competitive offers to recruits.
As for the portal: It has morphed to be attached to the $$ associated with NIL. Even if CDS decided to follow the coach Sander’s portal philosophy, the NIL support must also be there.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 7, 2024, 4:47 PM
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If he doesn't want to get into bidding wars to recruit players that's fine by me. People forget that 1) he's using money towards retaining the players we have and 2) We don't have near as much money as other programs due to being in the ACC and the fact we have a relatively small alumni base compared to many. I mean there's only so much he can do when it comes to paying the players.
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All-TigerNet [5666]
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NO......
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Jul 7, 2024, 4:53 PM
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And no serious CLEM FB fan would be OK with that (losing with Swinney). CLEMSON will always be bigger than any one individual. If BEST is truly the standard...............
IN any realm, you have to continually modify, adapt, improve. We've already done this on things he initially didn't want to change. IMO, a bit more is needed here as well. I'm talking SLIGHT modifications are all that is needed here. We'll see what happens next.
Support CDS fully, and he certainly has earned the right to do things his way...which I think we can all agree is the "ideal." But can that "ideal" work in THIS environment? So far, based on results, the FACTUAL answer is no if you want championships. That is not debatable.
Our other sports use the portal...generally without any of the negative consequences and to their benefit. Using it lightly, like UGA/BAMA, has proven beneficial to those teams and has NOT hurt their HS recruiting or culture in the least. So far our pitch (we focus mainly on HS kids, we will protect your role, etc...) doesn't seem to reasonate with most elite kids. Some yes; most no. Maybe that changes....we hope....
Based on what I know, I am quietly confident further changes are coming. I think CDS will be here for a good while more. Thought some changes would've already occurred. We'll see what happens.....
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 5:06 PM
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I think the sentiment is we ride with Dabo through the fire and believe he will eventually figure out the right balance to succeed in the new world of college football. He certainly has earned that kind of loyalty for all he has done.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 5:45 PM
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Dabo hasn't changed, the player landscape has changed. Can thank the NCAA for opening Pandora's box and now you have the wild west. It may be that Dabo is waiting to see if there will a sense of money caps and rules before he adapts or decides to leave the game. Until then the Tigers have the winningest football coach in Clemson's history. He has earned the right for respect and loyalty to either stand with him or move out of the way. History will tell his story. Go Tigers and looking forward to this season.
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Do you still pay Dabo 8 figures a year for the privilege?***
Jul 7, 2024, 5:36 PM
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Sure.
Jul 7, 2024, 6:29 PM
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Because sure as you're born, someone else will.
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TigerNet Immortal [176422]
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Well theres your catch-22.
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Jul 7, 2024, 6:39 PM
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You won’t have enough butts in expensive seats paying record Iptay dues to finance an 8 figure a year coach and a high priced staff if we’re in a position of football mediocrity.
We can bring Ken Hatfield back for $750k a year and make sure our boys don’t cuss and graduate while going .500 every season.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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That's certainly a possibility.
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Jul 7, 2024, 7:13 PM
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But I'll still go and watch them.
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TigerNet Immortal [176422]
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Are you kidding, Id definitely be there.
Jul 7, 2024, 7:24 PM
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Give me Tommy Bowden back in a heartbeat going 8-4 if it meant cheap tickets, good parking spaces for reasonable IPTAY donations, and every other kid in the northeast not trying to apply to Clemson.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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^^THIS ^^
Jul 8, 2024, 5:01 PM
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We're poor but our family is wealthy. If it weren't for them, we couldn't afford to come within a mile of Death Valley on game days.
I guess I'm sentimental or something. There are times when I wish Coke was still cola, and a joint was a bad place to be, and going to a Tigers game was just going to a Tigers game.
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Re: Well theres your catch-22.
Jul 7, 2024, 8:31 PM
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Schools that can't compete with lots and big NIL donations will be better off closing down their sports programs bc that would better than being known as a school that can't win anything in sports, they are just practice dummies for the schools that do have huge NIL donations... Lokk for GT to become a major factor in sports and winning in sports!!!! Yep, Georgia Tech will be known as one of the best engineering schools in the country with big time winning sports programs with the NIL advantages they should have in the Atlanta area!!!
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Re: Well theres your catch-22.
Jul 8, 2024, 10:38 PM
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Lofl. So delusional
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 5:42 PM
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Honestly, Dabo's job is to win which I'm sure he wants to do.
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Amen
Jul 7, 2024, 5:46 PM
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There is a crappy pro team 60 minutes up the road in Charlotte
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 5:49 PM
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Good thing with our situation is that slipping into mediocracy isn't in Dabo's DNA, nor his program's. Not gonna happen under his watch.
Pretty sad the panic and fretting out there among so many who should know better at this point. Lots of the same folks who were all aflutter and quacking about '5-Heart recruits' back in the day - and if not it's the same mindset.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 7, 2024, 5:54 PM
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Wow, what a childish post. In the last 10 years, we have won 119 games with Dabo as coach so if you call that losing, you don't have many schools you can switch to.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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You may have missed the point of my post.
Jul 7, 2024, 6:31 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3365]
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Hoist The Colors!
Jul 7, 2024, 6:10 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINeo6sWqGI
Dabo is fearless. He may be leading us the wrong direction, but that doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do. I'd rather lose with a team that will run through walls for each other than win with players just there to get a paycheck.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Amen from the low country. What money had done to football will soon bite all in the ask
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Ring of Honor [23710]
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Lots on this board put Sweeney ahead of Clemson and of winning.
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Jul 7, 2024, 7:11 PM
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It will only take a few years of losing and getting smacked by the chickens to cure that illness. Trust me, I've lived it as an old Clemson fan.
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Orange Elite [5161]
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So have I.
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Jul 7, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Some of y'all talk like you've got the market cornered when it comes to suffering through bad seasons/eras.
And when I wrote "Give me 85 guys who see playing for Clemson as a privilege instead of a quick payday, I'll pull for them all day, win or lose," I meant it.
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Ring of Honor [23710]
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Listen to yourself.
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Jul 7, 2024, 8:12 PM
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The coach you're talking about makes about a million in ONE MONTH!!!
NIL is LEGAL, it's the game. Pay them, should have all along. The money is there, you're just not happy about the real workers (players) getting paid for it.
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Re: Listen to yourself.
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Jul 7, 2024, 8:48 PM
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I think that it equals to something like 958.thousand a month, right?
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Jul 7, 2024, 7:25 PM
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If Clemson had zero NIL money, I think it would be kind of hard to use up 85 scholarships with two, and 3-star athletes...
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why handcuff yourself when its legal?
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Jul 7, 2024, 8:54 PM
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sure there should be some regulation but there isnt.
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Game Changer [1965]
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Re: why handcuff yourself when its legal?
Jul 7, 2024, 9:02 PM
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Man you idiot are stupid tonight. What is legal is having non school affiliated funds to pay NIL… which is what recruiting is turning into. Bidding wars to pay high school athletes millions of dollars which Clemson won’t ever do (which is a good thing). We pay our current athletes money based on NIL which they deserve but we don’t pay high school kids to come here when they haven’t earned ####. I this may be difficult for for me pacific liberal tiger to grasp but the difference is dabo is a grown adult with a resume who warrants his pay versus a high school senior who hasn’t done #### doesn’t deserve it.
I’m with Clemson I will support how we do things. Pay our athletes who deserve it, give them chances at a school a lot couldn’t get into without football, and ultimately change their lives for the better. All things Clemson gsve me without playing football but the school itself.
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CU Medallion [18149]
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because it is thats the landscape now
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Jul 7, 2024, 9:16 PM
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and as i have stated sure dont pay players thats fine. but dont whine when people call out kind dabo when we are relegated to 8 win seasons.
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Thats sad I was a Clemson fan before Dabo
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Jul 7, 2024, 9:42 PM
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and I will be a Clemson fan after him.
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Associate AD [1012]
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I understand your point(s) and I agree.
Jul 8, 2024, 1:27 AM
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N/m
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
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Moral victories in sports are made up by those who lose games. I understand your point, but if the courts have ruled NIL to be legal, and every other school is playing by those rules, then what moral high ground are we upholding? If we are sitting at 4-4 again next season, with a putrid O-line, WR Corp, and below average QB play these murmurs will only continue to get louder. Clemson football is the sport the turns the entire engine of the Clemson athletic department. We need out of the ACC, into the SEC/Big 10, and to be a player in the transfer portal.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 8, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Everyone discounts covid. The school up North had a coach that sat for half the games mainly because he broke covid era regulations.
When recruits visit Clemson we have an advantage. During covid our program did not cheat. Recruiting is regaining a slight uptick which is the the main difference at the highest level.
I remind everyone of coach "O" who took us down in our last Natty effort. "O" shortly departed LSU.
FSU sure had a fine group show up in the Orange. Let's have their coach win a Natty before he's anointed.
Urban is another fine specimen. Run out of not only college but the NFL as well.
Imagine for one moment that we didn't have DS. Imagine that we were looking for a HC who has won two Natty's over the past ten years. Where is that animal?
As far as NIL money, anyone who thinks a School from upstate SC can compete with Texas, Ohio State, SoCal, Oregon, on the basis of money alone might want to rethink their thesis.
Dabo is concentrating on beating UGA. We have a stable of wonderful players who can accomplish that. Go Tigers! Beat UGA!
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Yes and No
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Jul 8, 2024, 9:42 AM
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I appreciate the principled way in which Dabo runs our program. But I'm not okay with "...if Clemson football falls back into mediocrity...and yet remains a beacon on a hill (from a priorities and integrity standpoint), I'd be okay with it." That's basically saying we're a Vanderbilt, Duke, or Northwestern--except without the academic eliteness those programs also enjoy.
In this era more than any other, mediocrity = irrelevance, and as long as college football is relevant, Clemson must be too. The biggest trick IMO is knowing when to pull the trigger and get out of the race before the system collapses altogether.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 8, 2024, 11:32 AM
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As much as some would like to we can’t bury our heads in the sand and pretend the world isn’t changing, it is. If we don’t want to evolve we need to move to D2 or Ivy league ball and be competitive there. Being some sort of “guiding light” in D1 isn’t going to work. It sounds nice until a few years down the road you’re getting pummeled on a regular basis by teams who’ve embraced the reality of the situation.
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 8, 2024, 6:46 PM
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I have to agree with you 100%.
It would not "feel-good" to fall back to mediocrity but at least it would be competing the right way for the right reasons!
No fault as you said to the kids who chase the bag! Can't blame them!
I think what you will see is another division of college ball!
NIL base and Non-NIL base programs having separate NCAA championships!
Of course, if a player emerges as good in the non-nil - they will transfer out for the money. "Perhaps"!
But, with no regulations on NIL and TP, the have less than the big alumni based schools are likely going to find it hard to compete.
It's still all about C-L-E-M-S-O - - N; so whatever i'll be there to support!
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Athletic Dir [1149]
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im with you friend***
Jul 8, 2024, 10:48 PM
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Re: Honestly, I've gotten to the point where I'd rather lose with Swinney
Jul 9, 2024, 6:48 AM
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Dumbest post I’ve ever seen. You and Dabo have the same problem then. I guess y’all sleep better at night. 🤦🏻♂️
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