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How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
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Rival Killer [2930]
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How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 6:09 PM
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Ellington, Boyd? Because it's not about skill players, it's about being dominant in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Game is still blocking and tackling and always will be. We should have learned this facing chickens run-n-shoot in the 80s.
I love the high-powered offense but until you put high-powered offensive line priority first, it will not consistently hold up against upper echelon. Can you imagine what the skill players mentioned above would have done behind a Danny Ford offensive line? Fix it!!
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All-In [30593]
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that's easy
Sep 15, 2014, 6:14 PM
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We didn't have Watson
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Ring of Honor [22064]
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Elementary my dear ...***
Sep 15, 2014, 6:20 PM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102352]
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You are so ignernt!
Sep 15, 2014, 6:45 PM
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Cole should have been in the game.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100849]
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Whatever, and whatever iT takes since @ 73 iT better happen fast.
Sep 15, 2014, 6:51 PM
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GoTiGERS...Scalp the Noles & pluck the Coots......PLEASE!!!!!!!
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 6:16 PM
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Help is on the way. We have an absolute stellar O line class for this year.
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Outcoached.***
Sep 15, 2014, 6:17 PM
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Ring of Honor [22064]
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Honestly SOS may be the best pure college football coach .
Sep 15, 2014, 6:23 PM
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Gets more from his talent - which is very, very good.
Game day coaching better than Saben.
Really - who is better?
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110%er [3609]
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#3 all time in the SEC - behind Bear Bryant & Vince Dooley***
Sep 15, 2014, 6:32 PM
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Legend [15863]
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didn't he Tie Vince's record satdey ??
Sep 15, 2014, 6:55 PM
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there was talk about it --- what is that detail
he will for sure overtake Dooley soon .....
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CU Guru [1898]
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Re: didn't he Tie Vince's record satdey ??
Sep 16, 2014, 12:21 AM
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He tied Vince's record.
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Rival Killer [2930]
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At least 2, if not 3, of the 5 weren't from stellar play
Sep 15, 2014, 6:27 PM
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calling. They were from the more physical team in the trenches.
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CU Guru [1898]
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Yep, and last time in the Valley
Sep 16, 2014, 12:20 AM
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he did it without Shaw or Lattimore.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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I cannot imagine the triple option with those players either
Sep 15, 2014, 6:33 PM
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but I also try to be as objective as possible. Keep in mind I'm still not convinced Ford is not God. I know Danny went to Arkansas and could not reproduce this fix you speak of.
That era vs this era is comparing apples to oranges as well.
No one has mentioned the caliber of these coaches we've lost to (and won against) especially in terms of HC experience. Spurrier (hate him or not) is one of the best coaches coaching. Our coaches are relatively young and doing better than great with all things considered. I'm confident as well they all appreciate the value of a grade-a OL.
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Rival Killer [2930]
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Forget Danny for a minute. Saban is today's master and he
Sep 15, 2014, 6:39 PM
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Does it the same way. It's 25 years post-Danny but ole Saban builds it all around the line of scrimmages and he has trophies to show for it.
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110%er [3609]
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The foundation is the line on both sides of the ball.
Sep 15, 2014, 6:45 PM
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Everything else is built on that.
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Orange Blooded [2762]
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Re: I cannot imagine the triple option with those players either
Sep 15, 2014, 6:40 PM
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Do the really exceptional coaches start winning big immediately? Spurrier won the ACC at Duke about 26 years ago and took Duke into Tennessee and beat the Vols. I think he's 69 now so he did that at effin' Duke when he was 43.
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Re: I cannot imagine the triple option with those players either
Sep 15, 2014, 11:17 PM
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Danny took Arkansas to the SEC Championship game and if his QB doesn't literally set the ball on the ground they more than likely would have won it.
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OK. When Danny Ford was coach, I use to say, "Dear Lord,
Sep 15, 2014, 6:43 PM
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if we only had a passing attack. If we could only complete a 10 yard pass consistently"
Well, now we can, so I say, "Dear Lord, if we only had a powerful O line and running back."
But, as low scoring as the offense was under Ford, I knew that if we could score 20 points, we would win the game because of our defense.
There is no better feeling than watching the Tigers force 3 and out repeatedly. Watching the O line shove the defense back while the back pops through a crease. Seeing their defense totally demoralized by the 4th quarter. That is power football, and it never goes out of style.
With respect to Ford's offense, it was simple:
Here we come. All you have to do is stop us.
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CU Guru [1537]
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Recruitin, Coachin, and the trenches is where it all starts
Sep 15, 2014, 6:53 PM
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Then decent skill players can succeed.
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Sometimes I think we have the cart before the horse.***
Sep 15, 2014, 6:59 PM
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CU Guru [1537]
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Agreed. Skill players are exciting though!
Sep 15, 2014, 7:01 PM
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But Oline and Dline are essential!
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110%er [3609]
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While I am going on about Danny Ford, I recall watching
Sep 15, 2014, 6:56 PM
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a sports show with NFL coaches. One of the coaches said they loved getting players from Clemson for two reasons:
1. They were in excellent physical condition
2. They knew the fundamentals
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CU Guru [1537]
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I'd like to see more Oline and Dline players go
Sep 15, 2014, 6:59 PM
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high in the draft though.
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Over the past 10 years Dline is our most drafted position***
Sep 16, 2014, 3:38 AM
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Re:Run the darn ball, strong defense and a good kicking
Sep 15, 2014, 7:00 PM
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game.
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 7:01 PM
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A BIG reason is Spurrier. As much as I dislike him and his arrogant self, I believe he is the best college coach, coaching today. I believe if he had been on our sidelines for the Georgia game we would have won that game. Spurrier isn't afraid to take a chance and throw it down field. That conservative play calling did us in at Georgia. I love Dabo, but right now I don't believe he's anywhere near the coach Spurrier is.
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 7:57 PM
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It would have been illegal for Clemson to have a decent defense and online with those players
Only teams that come close to that kind of talent are Reggie bush timeframe So Cal and maybe mark Ingram Julio jones timeframe Bama teams
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 8:21 PM
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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!! FIX THE O/L,, and then the D/L after this year
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 8:39 PM
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How do we lose 5 in a row with the likes of cn, Sammy, nuk etc????
I'll tell you how.
Lattimore, Jeffrey, swearinger, Clowney, culliver, Ellington, quarles, sanders, shaw, Gilmore, Hampton type players. Those are all nfl'ers also and gave the chickens more firepower. And they always seemed to be ready to play. But there's a lag in the talent in Columbia this year and we have no excuses. Our staff is superior with the exception of spurriers play calling. With our recruiting classes upcoming we could and should surpass USC.
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 11:27 PM
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> How do we lose 5 in a row with the likes of cn,
> Sammy, nuk etc????
> I'll tell you how.
> Lattimore, Jeffrey, swearinger, Clowney, culliver,
> Ellington, quarles, sanders, shaw, Gilmore, Hampton
> type players. Those are all nfl'ers also and gave
> the chickens more firepower. And they always seemed
> to be ready to play. But there's a lag in the
> talent in Columbia this year and we have no excuses.
> Our staff is superior with the exception of
> of spurriers play calling. With our recruiting
> classes upcoming we could and should surpass USC.
Except their recruiting classes are right up there with ours.
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Athletic Dir [1164]
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 15, 2014, 8:47 PM
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It is hard to lose 5 with those guys.
1) Don't teach the importance of playing your best on EACH and EVERY play.
2) It starts in the weight room. Will never work if that don't change as your list of great players show.
3) Lack of attention to details such as special teams.
4) Poor game day strategy.
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Re: How do you lose 5 in a row with likes of CJ, Sammy, Nuk,
Sep 16, 2014, 12:49 AM
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Those with short memories forget that there were many questioning whether or not the game had passed Spurrier by when he lost to Dabo the first year (USCe's sixth loss in seven years). Spurrier has been at USCe for four years and not much for such a legend to show for it.
http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/11/26/dear-ball-coach-beat-clemson-or-resign/
Of course, with the firing of Bowden many recruits went elsewhere leaving Clemson with a shell of a recruiting class (12 signees). While there were some significant recruits in that class, the transition to a new coach often is not without its problems.
"Small 2009 signing class is catching up to Clemson
Lack of depth is taking a toll on Tigers"
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20111122/WIRE/111129904
The other big issue being the obligations to Tommy Bowden's contract hamstringing the ability to go after big name assistant coaches for a few years.
They do need to concentrate on getting more quality big guys for depth in the trenches, skill players can't fix all ills.
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We've recruited good on the oline, we have an oline coach...
Sep 16, 2014, 3:37 AM
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with a weak resume.
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