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Orange Blooded [2433]
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dang we need more and more OLs
Jan 7, 2015, 3:09 PM
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It seems every year we are short and every year we have to shovel. It is a theme that is going on since 2008. Last year, I remember we had to have guys play in different positions on the offensive line.
It seems this is a rare commodity that we should just keep a stack of them. Even with the 4 coming in, I am still concerned that we don't have enough.
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We have also lost several to injury/transfer.
Jan 7, 2015, 3:11 PM
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I agree with you.
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Re: dang we need more and more OLs
Jan 7, 2015, 3:17 PM
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We also have one coming in as a preferred walk on . So hopefully he can do something in 3 or 4 years. At Wisconsin they also seem to have one work at and start
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I'm having a little trouble with your math
Jan 7, 2015, 3:20 PM
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We have 10 returning offensive linemen and are adding 4.
That puts us at 14. Most teams carry somewhere between 14-16 O-Linemen. I think we have learned that having filler offensive linemen on the roster don't help because they can never see the field. If you have extra DB's or LB's they can at least contribute on special teams. Having 2 more OL on the roster just for the sake of having them doesn't do us any good.
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Re: I'm having a little trouble with your math
Jan 7, 2015, 3:21 PM
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odd, at times it seems like our starters are fillers.
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That will be changing soon enough
Jan 7, 2015, 3:24 PM
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We just shored up our tackle position for the next few years with the incoming class.
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Nope, it's not***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:22 PM
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OK , whatever you say***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:25 PM
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We get to 18-19 with walk-ons
Jan 7, 2015, 3:28 PM
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If you have to play your 15th best offensive linemen things have gone terribly wrong. If Region was sitting on the bench next year would it make you feel better?
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Enthusiast [139]
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Oh , so now 17-18 seems about right?***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:29 PM
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Re: Oh , so now 17-18 seems about right?***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:31 PM
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DUDE YOU BETTER BE WORRYING ABOUT THE DUMPSTER FIRE GOING ON OVER AT USC, YOUR SCHOOL
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1 so far
Jan 7, 2015, 4:50 PM
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It was a JuCo they had slotted in as their starting LT next year. Pellage is all but gone as well.
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Wait, no it's 2 so far
Jan 7, 2015, 4:54 PM
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With 3 on the way. They lost 2 4* O-linemen and are on pace to lose a 3rd. GOOOOOO Cooooocks.
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Orange Blooded [4506]
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Thanks but have you checked within the last 30 minutes?
Jan 7, 2015, 4:55 PM
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You can never say you are up to date if not.
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Orange Blooded [2433]
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Here is some Dabo's quotes from last year and it has
Jan 7, 2015, 3:26 PM
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has nothing to do with numbers...
1) Help is coming (referring to the OL).
2) We will find enough bodies to play on the OL.
3) The coach of the year award (Or something like this) needs to go to Caldwell for coaching up the boys to play different positions on the OL.
Enough said...
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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We sign the kids we want.
Jan 7, 2015, 3:31 PM
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We wanted Bailey, but he didn't want to be a part of a winning program. We won't sign a kid because we just want to have an extra body on the O-Line practice squad. That's what we use walk-on's for. Panic recruiting never works out.
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Re: I'm having a little trouble with your math
Jan 7, 2015, 3:33 PM
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What are you talking about we need more filler guys did this last year not teach you anything . We will be back at 10 OL after this year and only have about 20 scholarships for next years class so hopefully its guard heavy.
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Last year did teach me something
Jan 7, 2015, 3:35 PM
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Having guys on the bench that don't play doesn't help the product on the field. We put the 5 best available O-linemen on the field. If our 5 best linemen include the 15th guy on the depth chart, we're in big trouble. Did having Region on the bench last year improve our team?
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Enthusiast [139]
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would this same theory apply to ,
Jan 7, 2015, 3:37 PM
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let's say the corner back position?
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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No
Jan 7, 2015, 3:38 PM
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Mainly because the CB position can contribute on special teams.
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Re: No
Jan 7, 2015, 3:39 PM
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Think region was on the FG team
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Re: Last year did teach me something
Jan 7, 2015, 3:38 PM
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The thing with OL is they are so hard to tell which one is going to transition good from High School to college which is why you take more
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You take the ones you want
Jan 7, 2015, 3:40 PM
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We've tried the shotgun method to O-line recruiting and it has consistently failed.
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Re: You take the ones you want
Jan 7, 2015, 3:43 PM
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So what do we do when the linemen we want don't pan out ?
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That's why we cross train linemen
Jan 7, 2015, 3:46 PM
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If one guy can play more than one position it takes care of that problem. How far down the depth chart do you want to go? We put the 5 best guys on the field.
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Re: That's why we cross train linemen
Jan 7, 2015, 3:53 PM
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Just because he can play another position doesn't mean he is good at it and we saw a lot of that this year .
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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So you don't think we put the best 5 linemen on the field?***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:56 PM
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Re: So you don't think we put the best 5 linemen on the field?***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:58 PM
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I do but that doesn't mean they are any good
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Ask USCe and Oklahoma if they were "any good"
Jan 7, 2015, 4:03 PM
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Their equipment managers are still trying to get the grass stains off the backs of jerseys. We had injuries and we dealt with injuries. The offensive line really gelled in the back 1/2 of the schedule. We ran the ball well, and when the QB didn't hold it for an inordinate amount of time, the pass protection was good.
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Re: Ask USCe and Oklahoma if they were "any good"
Jan 7, 2015, 4:09 PM
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Did you watch the same Oklahoma game as me we couldn't run on them 68 yards rushing . South Carolina we could well because they suck and everybody ran on them
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Valley Protector [1422]
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Evidently YOU didn't watch the OU game
Jan 7, 2015, 4:13 PM
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We didn't have to run the ball.
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Re: Evidently YOU didn't watch the OU game
Jan 7, 2015, 4:17 PM
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But we ran it 46 times .
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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We ran it almost exclusively in the 4th quarter
Jan 7, 2015, 4:21 PM
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We were up 40-0 and were using our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string backs and mostly back up linemen.
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Re: We ran it almost exclusively in the 4th quarter
Jan 7, 2015, 4:32 PM
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Wayne Gallman ran the ball 19 times for 55yards at 2.9 yards a carry and a long of 14
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not fair using facts and all***
Jan 7, 2015, 4:34 PM
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Re: We ran it almost exclusively in the 4th quarter
Jan 7, 2015, 4:40 PM
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So we should thank the WRs for blocking on those not the OL try again
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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You have to have excellent line blocking to run a sweep
Jan 7, 2015, 4:43 PM
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On a sweep the D-End is responsible for containment. Generally speaking you have to block him or the play gets destroyed in the backfield.
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Re: You have to have excellent line blocking to run a sweep
Jan 7, 2015, 4:50 PM
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The South Carolina DE suck like I said before . Battle blocked him which is our best oLinemen. But I seem to remember the big play by Scott in the Bowl game being a wr screen .
http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=400610208
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Re: We ran it almost exclusively in the 4th quarter
Jan 7, 2015, 4:45 PM
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GJ showing you know not a gd thing about football. Linemen have to set the edge and keep penetration from happening for that play to be successful.
You are a moron congrats.
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Oklahoma stopped the run
Jan 7, 2015, 4:41 PM
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We took advantage of that by torching their secondary.
Gallman averaged over 5 yards a carry in our last 4 games and broke 100 yards rushing 3 out of our last 5 games.
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How about this "stat"
Jan 7, 2015, 4:14 PM
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Clemson 40 Oklahoma 6
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Re: How about this "stat"
Jan 7, 2015, 4:16 PM
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But we aren't talking about the overall game we are talking about how good and not so good the o-line is so please stay on subject
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Re: How about this "stat"
Jan 7, 2015, 4:18 PM
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You also are not fooling anyone.
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Re: How about this "stat"
Jan 7, 2015, 4:40 PM
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You are still not fooling anyone #### lover.
Here is the fact that matters 40-6 and for you 35-17.
You ignore the fact that pass protection is also a part of the game along wiht the fact that Scotts long "passes" were basically runs. Good job you pathetic #### loving troll.
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I think recruiting a 5* OT
Jan 7, 2015, 4:20 PM
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and 3 4* O-linemen adressed that, don't you? Would throwing an extra 2* panic guy like a Maybank make the team any better? We can work with 14.
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Re: I think recruiting a 5* OT
Jan 7, 2015, 4:22 PM
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No we did good this year . I'm saying we should have more like this . Meaning 4 or more each year
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Brad Scott agrees 4 Oline every year***
Jan 7, 2015, 4:23 PM
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Is that what he did at USuC?***
Jan 7, 2015, 4:27 PM
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Assuming most O-linement RS
Jan 7, 2015, 4:23 PM
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4 each year would put us around 20 O-linemen. That doesn't leave much room for any other position, but I guess our bench would be secure in a wind storm.
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Re: I think recruiting a 5* OT
Jan 7, 2015, 4:24 PM
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OLinemen typically redshirt. 4 a year would be 20 of your 85 scholarships.
Good lord you are a moron and neither you or your buddy 4fngrzngr are fooling anyone.
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Re: I think recruiting a 5* OT
Jan 7, 2015, 4:27 PM
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Most OL don't stay all 5 years . Which is what you are seeing with region and others that get hurt
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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We had 1 O-linemen on last years squad that didn't RS
Jan 7, 2015, 4:47 PM
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So there is that.
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The OL was good enough
Jan 7, 2015, 4:21 PM
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to allow the offense to score 33 points. That's the only stat that matters.
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what happens when highly recruited players
Jan 7, 2015, 3:58 PM
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get injured or don't pan out ? I'll try to give you a few examples. JK Jay , Kenneth Paige , Shaq Anthony , Jerome Maybank, Spencer Region , Oliver Jones ,Gifford Timothy. Now do you see why 14 is a terribly low number for the Oline?
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No, I don't see
Jan 7, 2015, 4:01 PM
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Again, we put the 5 best O-linemen on the field. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept. Having extra scholarship bodies as the 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18th linemen just doesn't make sense. Did having extra #'s on the roster help last year? No, it didn't because we still put the best 5 on the field.
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Re: No, I don't see
Jan 7, 2015, 4:05 PM
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What so hard to understand about O-Line being so hit or miss. It's the hardest position to recruit
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So to you McClain and Norton played well
Jan 7, 2015, 4:06 PM
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replacing injured starters?
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Norton was a starter
Jan 7, 2015, 4:16 PM
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I thought McClain did what he needed to do to help us win football games.
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Guillermo is the starting center.
Jan 7, 2015, 4:20 PM
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broke foot.
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Norton and Guillermo have both started in their careers***
Jan 7, 2015, 4:24 PM
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Your tigernet pulse vs. your football IQ
Jan 7, 2015, 4:06 PM
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Your pulse is much higher. The reasons you indicate above are the reasons you have 14 on scholarship, not 5. Because some of them don't pan out. Would you suggest we have 10 QBs on the team just in case DW didn't turn out to be as good as expected? 3-4 is perfect. Just like for OL.
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Re: Your tigernet pulse vs. your football IQ
Jan 7, 2015, 4:15 PM
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Please never question anybody's football IQ. With the crap you just wrote
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Can I question your IQ?
Jan 7, 2015, 4:49 PM
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With the crap you just wrote
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Re: Can I question your IQ?
Jan 7, 2015, 7:57 PM
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Please good look at the teams winning championships and see how many Linemen they have or gotten rid of on a 5 year span
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Trapp can play left guard***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:20 PM
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Didn't you guys just have another player decoot
Jan 7, 2015, 3:21 PM
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I would worry about Pellage decooting. We're OK with what we have.
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ok you may have a point then***
Jan 7, 2015, 3:55 PM
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Not to mention
Jan 7, 2015, 4:11 PM
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when you miss on other positions there is typically somewhere that they can contribute. Think Vic Beasley, Duane Coleman, Ty Hill, Tyler Shatley, Rod Byars, etc.
You miss on an OL and you are stuck with a roster spot that is worthless until they quit, transfer, or graduate because there is nowhere else to move them.
Honestly, if it were up to me I would recruit more DL with the intention of moving them to the OL later on if they can't crack the two deep rather than recruiting additional OL just for numbers.
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you give perfect reasons
Jan 7, 2015, 4:13 PM
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to recruit more Oline .
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Re: you give perfect reasons
Jan 7, 2015, 4:26 PM
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lol. Lost Key. Losing Fields to us. Losing Pellegre or whatever his name is very soon. Isnt it time you crossed the road back to cluckville???
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Yea it looks like even the fans are decommitting now...
Jan 7, 2015, 4:34 PM
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... and muckn up this bored!
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Not fans
Jan 7, 2015, 4:35 PM
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a pair of chickens
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Lol. Nice try though***
Jan 7, 2015, 8:29 PM
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