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Why coach k isn’t a good coach

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Mar 6, 2022, 11:08 AM

I write this post in honor of the shellacking the devils took in rat man’s final game in front of the shirt heads in cameron and in response to all the coach k love out there right now . . . All this he’s the greatest and people just hate him cuz they’re jealous of his success nonsense.

First off, the shots of teary eyed kids in cameron last night and the angst of all those former players in the stands: priceless. More of that please.

Now, here’s why coach k isn’t great and why he deserves to go out a loser: Duke basketball represents everything that is wrong with modern collegiate sports and fandom in America, and coach k is at the center of all of it.

Let’s talk about cheating. The program undoubtedly buys players to secure the best one and done talent in pursuit of championships and revenue with no regard for academic integrity. Despite this, duke and coach k remain seemingly above reproach in the media, presumably due to their on court success.

How about character building? Duke has featured some of the all time bad guys of the sport. See Christian Laettner stomping a dude’s chest and Grayson Allen running around tripping and kicking guys.

And then of course there’s cameron indoor, home to the worst fans in all of sports, the crazies whose dedication to stripping opponents of their dignity in the name of “winning” is unparalleled. Cameron indoor, where privileged kids paint their bodies and ruthlessly heckle athletes competing for their entertainment while coach k goes ballistic intimidating officials to affect the outcome of games.

In summary, Duke basketball is the epitome of the win-at-all-costs, rules and decency be darned mentality that represents the worst of competitive sports. Having spent over a decade coaching swimming and now as the father of two young boys, I can say with total sincerity that coach k and duke basketball are the perfect model of what I want my pupils, my children, and myself not to be.

Good riddance, rat boy

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Mar 6, 2022, 11:18 AM

Their fans at Cameron amaze me. Can you imagine the outcry elsewhere if people acted like that. Like you I am not sure where the program and fans got their sainthood but is absolute bs.

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Mar 6, 2022, 12:05 PM

How bout duke being a game up on unc in the acc and yet they’re talking about duke as a 1 seed and unc as a bubble team

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Mar 7, 2022, 3:01 PM

Anyone talking UNC as a bubble team is out of their mind... or just an ESPN shill making a statement of "outrage" for the ratings. UNC is perhaps one of the most dangerous teams and Davis has them playing at a very high level. I think some of the early season losses were this team finding themselves with a new coach. They could easily win it all with their current play.

The Bubble teams in the ACC are Wake (weak schedule) or UVA (Bennett name might carry with a decent run).

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Mar 6, 2022, 11:35 AM

I must disagree. Coach K did not win at the highest levels repeatedly because he cheated. He won because he’s a great coach. I wish Clemson had him.
You can hate him all you want, but that wont change that he’s one of the best college basketball coaches ever. Great players want to play for great coaches and that’s why so many chose Duke.

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Mar 6, 2022, 11:42 AM

There’s more to coaching than wins and losses. I’m so glad I’m not him

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Mar 7, 2022, 4:12 PM

I’m sure he’s so glad he’s not thornhillvillagedweller as well. See you two can agree on something, two peas in a pod!

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:02 PM

Good post. I'd love to have him at Clemson. Haters gonna hate.

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Mar 7, 2022, 3:37 PM

He definitely built and maintained a top program. If he had coached at Clemson instead of Duke, he would be more popular on here than Dabo.

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Mar 6, 2022, 7:52 PM

I agree with your comments. Seems that some people just like to hate on winners. Talk about buying players and just cheating to win. The guy knows how to win ACC, National Championships and Gold Medals at the Olympics. How many times have we heard the same about Dabo and New Springs Church? It hard to deny the man knows how to win.

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nope***


Mar 6, 2022, 11:43 AM



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Mar 6, 2022, 11:56 AM

Great point

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all that needed to be said


Mar 6, 2022, 2:02 PM

try harder

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Mar 6, 2022, 4:21 PM

Meh go tigers. Duke sucks

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He's a good teacher and leader with great knowledge and

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Mar 6, 2022, 1:38 PM

understanding of the game, let's be clear about that.

However, when it comes to ethics and being a good human being, he's a POS. That's true of a lot of basketball coaches. I say Eff'em all.

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Mar 6, 2022, 1:57 PM

LeBron (another person whose opinion I don't care about outside of basketball) made a good point about Coach K: while coaching professional Olympians, he had the ability to connect with every player at all levels of the sport.

IMO, that is the most essential characteristic to getting people to believe in you as a coach and the continued recruitment of star players.

But yeah, let's not overlook when he condescendingly laughed at Collins' apology that came in response to BB's compelling it: Coach K called Coach Brownell "good people" like 'yeah, this is something we stopped doing at Duke in middle school because we're so far beyond it now, but it's good for Clemson. They're still in the running for the Sportsmanship Trophy.'

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You left out all the really good stuff.

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Mar 6, 2022, 4:01 PM

-He swears in front of women and children in ways that would make Quentin Tarantino blush.

-He created a BS Sociology degree at Duke that only required 70-something hours to graduate, just so he could thump his chest about graduation rates (before Duke went all in with one and done).

-When he realized he had a bare cupboard, talent-wise in 94-95 he left the team mid-season citing back pain. That's fine, maybe it was that bad and maybe it wasn't, but then he doubled down on the chutzpah by lobbying the NCAA to remove the losses for that season from his
coaching record.

-He, and he alone, introduced flopping as a strategy to the modern game of basketball, seriously detracting from the sport.


Screw K, he's a good coach, but he's a lousy human being and gets far too much credit as some sort of leader of men. It's BS.

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Mar 6, 2022, 4:03 PM

What coach K has done at Duke is way more impressive than the previous GOAT John Wooden did at UCLA. Wooden had 3 of the 4 best college big men of all time and they all stayed 4 years, Coach K won (multiple) titles pre one and done and during it. I can appreciate blind hate for greatness for whatever your motives are, but emphasis on the BLIND part.

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Mar 6, 2022, 4:40 PM

I don’t think I’m being blind. It’s pretty apparent duke has been paying guys to win amateur championships. That’s been going on forever in college basketball. Because the duke/coach k brand is so valuable to the ncaa and broadcast media, though, duke gets a pass. Coach Cal, bruce pearl, rick pitino are sleezebags, but coach k is the goat. To me he’s just another guy who puts winning games and making money over everything else. I see what he’s done, and I don’t think it’s great.

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Mar 6, 2022, 4:53 PM

Having a bias is fine, no shame in that… but if you can’t recognize or even acknowledge greatness that’s on you. That would be like someone saying Dabo is not a great coach or whatever your point is about coach K, being blind to greatness is a personal choice. I know for a fact, Clemson football has paid players for years, I know for a fact our program has swept legal issues under the rug many times, a woman was raped by a D lineman a few years ago (my buddy who is a lawyer, his firm represented her is how I know) and he was never suspended and it was never public (got settled). Point being, sports is unique, you can ignore outside factors and just look at the results, that’s how you crown champions and recognize greatness and if you can’t compartmentalization facts (winning and losing) and options (here say off the court and field), that’s a personal choice. But to discredit Dabo, Coach K or anyone for off the field or court is just silly. Appreciate sports for what it’s meant to be, you seem way too riled up over this, against a human being you have never met and don’t know, relax and enjoy some sports ??

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Don't really care for him...


Mar 6, 2022, 4:29 PM

But 5 nattys in BB says otherwise....

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Mar 6, 2022, 5:01 PM

He’s a pretentious PoS…period…The FBI probe exposing Zion’s bull sh*t is what has prompted this retirement…I personally hope he breaks his fckn hips…

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The one-and-dones are not a good example of his coaching

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Mar 6, 2022, 5:30 PM

prowess, as some have suggested. It's just the opposite... his roster is full of guys that are "NBA talented" already. Yeah, he may have to fiddle with the lineup a little bit and work out the best combination, chemistry, etc. But his teams are always loaded with 5-stars and McDonald's All Americans and whatnot. It's like Bama in football... yes, Saban is a great coach, but there are probably a dozen coaches that could win some titles with such a talent advantage, year in and year out. The "jimmies and joes, not the X&O's" applies to basketball as well.

Surely I don't have to mention ACC refs. Don't place your hand on a red-hot stove burner, either.

And Duke has always enjoyed the advantage of their university academic standing. It bleeds over into their athletic dept as well. What? Duke cheat? No way! They have too much integrity! LOL

They have dirty players, but since they're typically "clean cut, frat boy" types, who look good in suits and interview well, they don't get labelled as thugs.

And as Obed mentioned... "introduced flopping as a strategy to the modern game of basketball".

I may not have especially liked Dean Smith, but I respected him 100 times more than Coach K.

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Dean Smith was a sleaze, every bit on the level of Coach K!***

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Mar 6, 2022, 5:52 PM

Everything you said could be said about Dabo and our football program:

1. The ACC refs protected our (the ACC) playoff hope for years.

2. Our religious, clean cut boys aren't that nice (dirty players, targeting ejections consistently, checking oil, etc.)

3. Our graduation rates is something we brag about (what? but Clemson graduates players..nooo way, too much integrity, they are religious too!!!)

4. We have had more talent than any other ACC team by a country mile (including this past year).

Point being, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and be careful throwing stones from our glass houses.

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Yep. Many fans of other football teams say similar

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Mar 7, 2022, 1:23 PM

Things about Dabo. About him being all phony and everything: like what we say about K.

Yet K’s former players flock back to him after decades, like how Dabo’s do. I think that says it all really.

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Yep. Many fans of other football teams say similar


Mar 7, 2022, 1:23 PM

Things about Dabo. About him being all phony and everything: like what we say about K.

Yet K’s former players flock back to him after decades, like how Dabo’s do. I think that says it all really.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:52 PM

Dean Smith was the king of Flopping. Not a fan of Dean Smith

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Mar 6, 2022, 8:09 PM

Bama/Saban and Duke/Coach K had to build their programs and win consistently for years in order to get those players you are talking about. They get the best players by earning a reputation as a place that wins and sends you off to the pros.

Kinda like us under Dabo…

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Mar 6, 2022, 5:31 PM

Ah, he's pretty good. That kind of ridiculous consistency at such a high level for so long is special.

Having said that, I wish I could offer more TU's for paragraph #2.

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Coach K is top 5 coach all tine

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Mar 6, 2022, 5:48 PM

Adaptable. Didn’t want to go one and done but when he did ….he did it right (as far as running a one and done program).

As far as bad guy players…Duke hasn’t had that many. Grayson WAS/IS/SEEMINGLY a horrible human being. But for every Grayson, you have many more Grant Hill’s and Shane Battier’s. I always liked Laetner. Dude was a pr1ck but he backed it up on the court and one of the most clutch college players ever.

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And for every Grant Hill and Shane Battier, you also had a


Mar 6, 2022, 6:06 PM

Cherokee Parks and a Dahntay Jones.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:09 PM

If you are gonna call out freaking Cherokee Parks, he played the exact same as Tom Wideman. Dahntay Jones was a class act, please cite any issues he had?

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lmao. Ask Larry Shyatt about Dahntay Jones.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:28 PM

Specifically about the time he walked by the bench, pointed at Shyatt, and said "I'm lighting you MF'ers up".

There's no way you're a Tiger.

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Re: lmao. Ask Larry Shyatt about Dahntay Jones.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:30 PM

Everyone lit up the Tigers during Larry Shyatt the bed's career. GFYS.

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awww, you upset Coach K lost his final game?***

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Re: awww, you upset Coach K lost his final game?***

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:34 PM

Were you at LJ on 1/31/2004 like I was? Yeah didn't think so... No way you are a Tiger.

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Were you there on Feb 28, 1990?

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:41 PM

Of course not, your mom was busy making you with a frat boy behind a Cockaboose.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:44 PM

Don't project me onto your childhood/mommy issues. If your daddy was a coot, it's fine, you can over come it.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:49 PM

you seem way too riled up over this, against a human being you have never met and don’t know, relax and enjoy some sports ??

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Turd Ferguson***

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Mar 6, 2022, 8:08 PM

Obed® said:

Specifically about the time he walked by the bench, pointed at Shyatt, and said "I'm lighting you MF'ers up".

There's no way you're a Tiger.


So what? It’s sport, there is trash talk. That is way different than the person Grayson Allen is.

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Good coach; lousy human; foul-mouthed rat***

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:45 PM

Not buying all you said. For starters, Coach K did not build his early teams with one & done players. I sense some jealousy on your part.

Leitner was a bit of a bully, but had incredible toughness. Amacher and Dawkins were incredible players, and appear to be genuinely nice guys. I'm also a fan of Jay Bilaa - I appreciate his insight.

I've heard that Coach K has a bit of a potty mouth, and that bothers me. That puts him way below John Wooden, who is in a coaching league of his own. But I liked Coach K and his ability to relate to and support his players.

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Mar 6, 2022, 6:48 PM

Sam Gilbert says hi!

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Mar 6, 2022, 7:01 PM

Wooden advised his players to stay clear of Gilbert.

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Mar 6, 2022, 7:32 PM

It's documented he knew that players were signing with him b/c of Sam and what he gave them, he just "didn't like it". If he were better than coach K he would have quit and not stood for it. It is all the same for coach K and the sneaker company guys and all that paid any players, he didn't like it or want it, but knew of it....same as Wooden and Sam.

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Mar 6, 2022, 11:23 PM

This is a crap post. There's so little of anything close to the truth you post. I'm no Duke fan. But I realize what K has done. I have heard him speak twice at seminars. I've been impressed. So you don't like Duke . doesn't mean I wouldn't have wanted K here. We'd be awesome.

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You do realize that Satan can appear as an angel of light.***

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Mar 7, 2022, 10:53 AM

You’re right. My bad

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Mar 7, 2022, 12:16 PM

College basketball success has far more to do with being a great recruiter than a great coach.

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What you present here is just conjecture and anecdotal evidence

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Mar 7, 2022, 1:28 PM

at best.

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Mar 7, 2022, 3:40 PM

It’s a discussion board, not a court of law. But I’d say a lot of the details re crazies’, k’s and players’ behavior is indisputable fact

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Was great seeing all the Dookies crying

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Mar 7, 2022, 2:26 PM

GMAB

Team has 10 All Americans. If you can't win with that you don't deserve to coach

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You’re crazy if You don’t think Coach K is a good coach


Mar 7, 2022, 3:08 PM

How many basketball National Championships has Clemson won?

Exactly.

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Mar 7, 2022, 3:45 PM

you got some social media attention for this... Congrats!!

https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1500851822742970371?s=20&t=Bf61MiyAxkgVJp_efAJyzQ

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Mar 7, 2022, 4:07 PM

Oh dang, thanks nctigs! Happy to see this message spread far and wide

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