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Rock Defender [54]
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A quick defense of Newspring.
Jan 7, 2013, 11:16 AM
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The worship style is not for everybody. The size is not for everybody. The organization is not for everybody. The operation/mission is not for everybody.
But, it has brought hundreds, if not thousands, of non-believers into the Church family. So, regardless of how you feel about Newspring as a whole, you should appreciate that thousands of lives have been saved.
/thatsall
edit: oh, and if you're not religious, you should be happy about the millions and millions that Newspring has dumped into their communities in order to help the poor, and needy.
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I can go ahead and make the counter argument
Jan 7, 2013, 11:20 AM
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"Newspring is not a true christian church so really they are just misleading thousands of people"
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Rock Defender [54]
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To which I quickly reply, "Oh, so you're speaking for
Jan 7, 2013, 11:20 AM
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God now?"
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110%er [7980]
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In some peoples mind they believe they are***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:21 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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#LoveTheSouth***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:25 AM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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How 'bout if you'e not religious and don't give a crap
Jan 7, 2013, 11:23 AM
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about the poor and needy?
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Rock Defender [54]
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they have hot young girls all over the place***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:24 AM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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God Bless New Spring.***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:25 AM
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Perry Noble bless God for blessing New Spring
Jan 7, 2013, 11:30 AM
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with hot poon.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Rock Defender [54]
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Amway has brought thousands into the world of MLM........
Jan 7, 2013, 11:23 AM
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that doesn't mean that the cause of marketing has been progressed.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I dunno
Jan 7, 2013, 11:24 AM
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I bet you could learn some great techniques from them.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I used to be a doubter, now I am a double digit doer!***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:26 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Come on y'all...COME ON!
Jan 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Lucretia..anything to add?
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this is pretty much what I think about it***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Orange Blooded [4693]
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I made the mistake of riding past their campus one Sunday when everyone was leaving
Jan 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
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They have a deputy out front that stops traffic in both directions until every single car in their parking lot exits. I had to sit there for 10 minutes so they could leave to beat the rest of Anderson to Ryans.
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Rock Defender [54]
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csb***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:30 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I appreciate the post. And you are correct, from what I have
Jan 7, 2013, 11:33 AM
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heard...but it seems that it's a "Wal-Mart" approach to religion, meaning, bigger is better, absorbing the congregations of other churches, et al.
I have nothing against Noble or anyone else involved in it. It's not for me for sure.
It is interesting, here and at TI, whenever there is a post there is almost an immediate response. Seems to be a very soft spot on both sides of the argument.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The question I guess is "Is any exposure to Christianity
Jan 7, 2013, 11:38 AM
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good exposure?". Problem is, Christianity (in practice) isn't a constant and can depend a lot on how it's presented.
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Rock Defender [54]
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you know, that's an interesting question...I certainly don't
Jan 7, 2013, 11:42 AM
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want my kids exposed to some people's version or opinion of Christianity.
Sad thing is: people who hurt and are looking for something just may find it, and it ain't what they are looking for
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Rock Defender [54]
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who are you to know what they're looking for?***
Jan 7, 2013, 1:48 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Even U2 does not know.***
Jan 7, 2013, 2:52 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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There's only one book I need on religion, and it's been out
Jan 7, 2013, 11:41 AM
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since befo' Amazon! hallelujah!
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Rock Defender [54]
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Megatrends....Dianetics ?
Jan 7, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Tom Cruise's autobiography ?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Rock Defender [54]
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there's only one version of Dianetics !
Jan 7, 2013, 12:01 PM
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hth
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Rock Defender [54]
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Rock Defender [54]
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well since we are talking about New Spring
Jan 7, 2013, 11:45 AM
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I would say in this case, yes, it may be their "fault", but they didn't create this idea of the mega-church.
How big was the church at Jerusalem ? I would think it was large. Interesting though, there were no, Presbyterians, or Catholics or Lutherans or Baptists then......
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All-In [28802]
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the Catholics would say they were all Catholics
Jan 7, 2013, 11:54 AM
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since Christ said he would build his Church starting with Peter, and Catholics believe Peter was the first pope.
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I thought he was going to start his church with himself, no?***
Jan 7, 2013, 12:17 PM
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All-In [28802]
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right, but Peter was his bishop
Jan 7, 2013, 12:51 PM
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and the bishops, because of the authority Christ gave them, have the doctrinal authority needed in order to have a catholic (universal) church. At least that's how I understand the Catholic version of apostolic succession.
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10-4 just making sure you weren't confusing petras with
Jan 7, 2013, 1:02 PM
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Petros
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Rock Defender [54]
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A quick assessment of Newspring: CULT***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:36 AM
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lulz***
Jan 7, 2013, 11:38 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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or, no
Jan 7, 2013, 11:50 AM
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Smallness is only one criteria.
Origins in sociology Main article: Sociological classifications of religious movements The concept of "cult" was introduced into sociological classification in 1932 by American sociologist Howard P. Becker as an expansion of German theologian Ernst Troeltsch's church-sect typology. Troeltsch's aim was to distinguish between three main types of religious behavior: churchly, sectarian and mystical. Becker created four categories out of Troeltsch's first two by splitting church into "ecclesia" and "denomination", and sect into "sect" and "cult".[3] Like Troeltsch's "mystical religion", Becker's cults were small religious groups lacking in organization and emphasizing the private nature of personal beliefs.[4] Later formulations built on these characteristics while placing an additional emphasis on cults as deviant religious groups "deriving their inspiration from outside of the predominant religious culture".[5] This deviation is often thought to lead to a high degree of tension between the group and the more mainstream culture surrounding it, a characteristic shared with religious sects.[6] Sociologists still maintain that unlike sects, which are products of religious schism and therefore maintain a continuity with traditional beliefs and practices, "cults" arise spontaneously around novel beliefs and practices.[7]
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Rock Defender [54]
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Mystical religion?
Jan 7, 2013, 11:53 AM
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And this dude is basically saying that because their beliefs are different than others, its a cult.
Right.
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let me help you...
Jan 7, 2013, 12:00 PM
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You seem to be confused about the need for a cult to fulfill more than one of the categories mentioned. Yes, cults are typically small, yes, their views are "innovative" and outside the mainstream. But that isn't all.
Just from that wikipedia article, you can see that a cult must meet a number of criteria to be a cult rather than a sect.
Here are a few:
- Becker's cults were small religious groups lacking in organization and emphasizing the private nature of personal beliefs - Later formulations built on these characteristics while placing an additional emphasis on cults as deviant religious groups "deriving their inspiration from outside of the predominant religious culture".[ - Sociologists still maintain that unlike sects, which are products of religious schism and therefore maintain a continuity with traditional beliefs and practices, "cults" arise spontaneously around novel beliefs and practices
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Rock Defender [54]
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no, because not every new sect is a cult
Jan 7, 2013, 12:01 PM
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and not every different denomination is viewed as a cult by other denominations.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Why does Newspring need defending today?
Jan 7, 2013, 11:56 AM
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I'm reading a book right now called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse...It might be worth a look for Newspringers to pick up and read.
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Saved from what?***
Jan 7, 2013, 12:13 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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some local caring church
Jan 7, 2013, 12:15 PM
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perhaps even common sense ?
hth
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Rock Defender [54]
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common sense seems to be something you've lost
Jan 7, 2013, 1:47 PM
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or at least an understanding of the basic concepts behind competition.
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I had an intern a couple of semesters back...
Jan 7, 2013, 3:05 PM
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who went to Newspring and had an interest in possibly going into the ministry. She went and talked to them about what she needed to study to get ready for this. Their answer? Major in Marketing.
I wasn't surprised.
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in Benjamin we trust
Jan 7, 2013, 3:52 PM
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all others bring your wallets
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