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Clemson Conqueror [11800]
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Trump and Musk were not always BFFs - July 2022 quote from Trump
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Jun 5, 2025, 8:59 PM
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Link to NY Post article from July 13, 2022 - ‘Trump: I could have made Elon Musk 'drop to his knees and beg'
https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/trump-i-could-have-made-elon-musk-drop-to-his-knees-and-beg/
I am sad that it came to this so soon, but the quick exit if Vivek Ramaswamy from the DOGE project foretold that the Musk / Trump DOGE love-fest would not last long.
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Who are you trying to convince here, yourself?
Jun 5, 2025, 9:15 PM
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because this thread is not going to gain a lot of traction with the... progressives, liberals, and/or people who, in general, do not give a fly Fuck about their government unless it tramples on our rights, that already knew 6 months ago that this would happen.
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Re: Trump and Musk were not always BFFs - July 2022 quote from Trump
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Jun 5, 2025, 10:09 PM
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musk has no option but to win back his customer base or go broke
the only way is to be anti trump
he has paid a yuge price
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Dynasty Maker [3350]
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Whether or not they were ever friends or enemies doesn't matter.....
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Jun 6, 2025, 6:30 AM
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What matters is that Elon spent a ridiculous amount of money helping another self-proclaimed billionaire get elected. Our system of money in politics is one of our biggest problems. MAGA claims to care about the little guy. But this proves that they don't.
And what also matters is that DOGE was very destructive without actually helping America in a fiscal sense, without making America better, safer, smarter, or anything else other than more ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doge-wall-of-receipts-misleading-inaccurate-claims/
I will give DOGE credit for shredding USAID, which will put many people worldwide in harm's way, without making America safer.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/children-die-after-usaid-funding-cuts-end-lifeline-for-displaced-communities-fleeing-violence
We can focus on the spat these two morons are having. But the real problem is the substance of what they represent...and the substance of what YOU support.
And no one who is sane on the left, right, or center, should think that Elon is all of the sudden becoming sane again. He's still a kook.
And being a kook is usually one way to get a job in Trump-World.
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Clemson Conqueror [11800]
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Re: Whether or not they were ever friends or enemies doesn't matter.....
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Jun 6, 2025, 12:37 PM
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Please explain how MAGA only cares about the rich, and cares nothing about the ‘little gut.’
Before the public blow-up with Musk, Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill had stripped away the EV tax credits. Why, if Trump only cares about the rich, would Trump propose legislation that spits in the eye of the biggest financial contributor to the ‘MAGA cause’?
Try your best … find one single Democrat or RINO that openly crossed one of their biggest donors to promote legislation that was designed to benefit the ‘little guy.’
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Dynasty Maker [3350]
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Re: Whether or not they were ever friends or enemies doesn't matter.....
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Jun 6, 2025, 3:32 PM
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>>Try your best … find one single Democrat or RINO that openly crossed one of their biggest donors to promote legislation that was designed to benefit the ‘little guy.’
LOL. The IRA legislation that allows Medicare to bargain for drugs was designed to help Medicare recipients (elderly people, often on a fixed income) and the pharmaceutical industry didn't like that provision. And the pharm industry sends money to Dems and Republicans.
Environmental interests don't like that we produced more gas/oil than ever under Biden, which helps blue-collar jobs at the expense of environmental donors.
A few "RINO's" voted to keep the ACA intact in 2017, so that poor people wouldn't have their health insurance ripped away from them by MAGA-world.
Did you honestly think I wouldn't be able to find any instances?
>>Please explain how MAGA only cares about the rich, and cares nothing about the ‘little gut.’
The tariffs that Trump demands will drive up the cost of living, which will mostly hurt the little guy. The tax cuts that MAGA is pushing through congress will mostly help the big donors.
Please show me any donor on the Dem side even remotely with the power that Elon wielded in 2024 and early 2025? Did George Soros get put in charge of our federal government? Did Warren Buffet force civil servants to justify their job every Monday morning?
Those are rhetorical questions. You already know the answer.
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So, you think Soros was Biden's 'puppet master'?
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Jun 6, 2025, 4:09 PM
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Maybe so.
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No, I don't...
Jun 6, 2025, 5:00 PM
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But I do think people who spend millions now openly on campaigns have too much influence.
Both parties have their mega-donors. But Elon's work for MAGA, during and after the election, stands out for its brazen disregard for norms & customs. And who knows? Maybe he broke some laws, too.
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Clemson Conqueror [11800]
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Weak sauce
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Jun 6, 2025, 7:39 PM
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Easy to beat up your defenses of Dems and RINOs daring to fight for the little guy. Here goes:
*** The IRA legislation that allows Medicare to bargain for drugs was designed to help Medicare recipients (elderly people, often on a fixed income) and the pharmaceutical industry didn't like that provision. And the pharm industry sends money to Dems and Republicans.***
Dems (this time, RINOs were mot part of it) picked and chose from among some widely used drugs like selected diabetes treatments for that bargaining thing. Unbeknownst to the ‘little guy,’ big dog pharma’s companies (esp. Eli Lilly) were on a fast track by the Biden HHS (FDA wing) to get their blockbuster fat reducing drug (Wegovy) included in the Medicare formulary as a ‘diabetes’ preventative. The federal government is indeed negotiating for Wegovy to be on the Medicare formulary at prices well below what Eli Lilly charges to non-Medicare people, but the enormous volume + still attractive (to Eli Lilly) Medicare-negotiated price for Wegovy will be a stupendous financial win for Eli Lilly. (Based on market value, I think that Eli Lilly is the biggest American pharma company.)
BTW, these fat reducing drugs are already being associated with cardiac problems and a strange condition like reduced ability of the stomach and intestinal tract to move food through the digestive tract.
Summary: Using the Eli Lilly / Wegovy example, the Biden admin’s HHS / FDA has waved the matador’s Cale to divert the attention of America’s Medicare population while feeding big pharma with a business windfall via expanding the use of Wegovy to be a diabetes preventative, instead of the personal vanity drug that comprises the majority of the market for that drug.
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*** Environmental interests don't like that we produced more gas/oil than ever under Biden, which helps blue-collar jobs at the expense of environmental donors.***
The environmental interests which you are referencing are hardly the big donors. The mad enviro activists are small donors. The big enviro interests are companies that are making bank via enviro subsidies given by the American taxpayer to those big donors to the Dem party.
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We’ll talk later.
I’ll do the next one, and then stop because my response is already getting too long.
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Dynasty Maker [3350]
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Pfft...
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Jun 6, 2025, 11:11 PM
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There are plenty of big money environmental donors to the Dem party (including Soros and Steyer), who have been disappointed that the Dems haven't done enough on that topic, and in fact have occasionally gone in the other direction on that topic.
As for Medicare drug negotiation, that's not something Big Pharm wanted.
For the most part, the main supporters of programs that help the poor and disadvantaged are Democrats. This includes SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps. Prior to MAGA, Republicans used to also be good on these programs. Now, not so much.
As for Musk....again, there isn't an analogous situation on the Left. There just isn't. I'm not saying the Dems are perfect. But they haven't given themselves over to big donors in the same way that MAGA has. Not even close.
But keep trying to defend the indefensible.
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