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While I in no way condone any of Gruden's comments, the

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:19 AM
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fact that an ELEVEN YEAR OLD EMAIL is what got this started is disconcerting.

Do news, or other organizations now have people whose total job it is to comb all media platforms back to the beginning of recorded time, just to dig up dirt on figures in the public eye? Seems that must be so, else so many of these type things just now coming into the light of day would not be possible.

A REALLY unfortunate side effect of this phenomenon is that we wind up with intellectual popsicles like Trump and Biden vying for the highest elected office in the land. GOOD people don't want to run for office, because, sure enough, they said something wrong when they were in third grade, and somebody recorded it. Now it is back to haunt them decades later. That is the "truth" that we are rushing headlong toward in this "Cancel Culture" society.

All this pulling statues down, denying history, especially the mistakes of history, instead of just CALLING them history, means that we will eventually be doomed to MAKE those same mistakes again.

OK, I will exit the soapbox now. That thing was a foot tall, and I could barely step that high anyway. Why did they call them soapboxes, anyway. I bet there is some bad history behind that.....

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Gruden works for an employer like most

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:29 AM
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folks so he had no control over his fate. A guy like Dave Chappell is showing how to fight this. He's already filthy rich so could care less and is telling them to shove it. And the funny thing is, many on both the political right and left are rallying around him. People in general are sick of this cancelling of people over what they say, including stuff years old. Japan cancelled the music director of the Olympics because he admitted to bullying someone in 3rd grade. Bill Maher is another guy tackling this head on. It ends when people in mass start standing up. Slowly it's beginning to happen

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Exactly what I said earlier. I just said it a little more

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:53 AM
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bluntly. It's nothing but a witch hunt for people who refuse to bow down to an illegitimate authority, and an attempt to bully them into silence and submission.

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The saddest part of the whole thing is that

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:24 AM
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so few have the courage to take a stand, and instead cave once the knives come out for them. Was reading a story yesterday about a U. of Chicago professor, world renowned in his field, was cancelled for a speech at MIT because he had the audacity to say students and grades should be judged on merit, not anything else. What a radical idea! Princeton actually picked him up for his speech via Zoom and there aren't enough available slots for all who want to watch, to watch.

College campuses are among the worst places for this cancel culture mentality

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How about the UCLA prof?

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:53 AM
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https://news.yahoo.com/professor-sues-ucla-suspension-allegedly-224100102.html
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Re: How about the UCLA prof?

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:04 PM
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I hope he is awarded millions of dollars. I am #### sick of minorities whining for equal rights then when they get them so idiot cries racism. You can tear down legitimate statues and remove memorials give them equal right + and many will still shout out White’s are racist.

Some white people are racist, some black people are racist to. In fact every race of people have people who are racist.

If you look back at history at some point in time every race has been enslaved, abused, and exploited by other races. So people who keep living in the past get over it. All of those whining people crying racism get over it!!!! We have all had to suffer at some point in history.

And you politically correct morons need to get a life. It seems like some people are miserable unless they are stirring up some kind of trouble!

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Re: Exactly what I said earlier. I just said it a little more


Oct 12, 2021, 8:18 PM
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We have two sets of laws. The government and the media. The media has an umbrella protecting it as it vilifies and passes harsh sentences on folks who have committed no crime according to the law of the land.
No chargeable crime should mean no reportable crime.

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:50 PM
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There is no way for Gruden to fight it the way Chappelle can. They work in different settings and different situations. Dave has options and fan support. Gruden only has the NFL, FS1, and ESPN. He is done no matter what he says for a bit.

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Can we at least establish a Cut-Off date?***

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It is definitely out of hand

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:52 AM
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What guy hasn’t called another guy a p###y at some point or another. Who hasn’t used stereotypical language at some point or another.

I remember reading an article back in the 90s about Afro hair-dos making a comeback. I asked a black guy sitting next to me, joking of course, if he was going to grow his out. He reported me to HR. C’mon man!

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Re: It is definitely out of hand

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:21 AM
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Welp….seems that you found that p###y you were talking about lol!

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Re: It is definitely out of hand

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:13 PM
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That’s the kind of BS that is destroying race relations. I do not car what color Jesus Christ is I am just grateful for my Salvation and Jesus willing to intercede on my behalf to God the Almighty to for give me for the wrongs I have committed.

I am looking forward to seeing Christ and spending eternity in God’s Kingdom. A place where racism, politics, violence and all bad things will not exist.

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i dont mind the email

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:52 AM
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if it is ok to make fun of some 1's appearance then it should be ok for every 1.

if it isnt ok for 1 person then it shouldn't be ok for every 1. That is equality.

How many people made fun of Trumps overly orange skin and stupid haircut?


so let it ride or put an end to all of it.

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Re: While I in no way condone any of Gruden's comments, the

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:56 AM
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It has gotten out of hand for sure! I'm sure everyone of us have said things that would offend someone. I got a reprimanded one time at work because I put myself down and when some co-workers laughed at it and added to it, I jokingly said ok!ok! I don't need any help from the peanut gallery. Well low and behold I found out that was a raciest term and my African American boss stated she did not even know it was and new I did not mean it as derogatory. Just for y'alls future reference it is a reference to segregation of the movie theaters when AA would sit in the balcony during a movie and throw peanut shells down on the whites for whatever reason. Hence the term Peanut gallery. So be careful using terms in todays society. Even Hush Puppies can be seen as raciest because the term came about when the slaves would try to escape and would take a hand full of their food which was usually corn meal and throw it to the dogs to keep them quiet.

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Hush puppies


Oct 12, 2021, 8:31 AM
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I have heard hush puppies with a different origin. Kitchens were separated from the house. The dogs would jump and bark when the servants brought the food from the kitchen to the house. The cooks would cook up balls of cornmeal for the transport servants to throw at the dogs to shut them up.

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Re: Hush puppies


Oct 12, 2021, 8:41 AM
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they were separated because kchens often burned down. I heard hush puppie origin attributed to the Lewis and Clark expedition.

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Well said. We should all be kind and respectful to each other.

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:22 AM
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That should be the expectation. We should apologize when we are not. Digging up things from people's past to try and find a "gotcha" moment is not kind and respectful, it's downright evil. In 2021, it's nothing but passive-aggressive bullying in an attempt to punish and control those one doesn't like. In most cases, it's worse than the sins it exposes.

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NOBODY was digging anything up on Gruden

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Oct 12, 2021, 2:17 PM
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Context matters, and in this case, the context that you and others spouting about is inaccurate. The NFL investigation into the Washington football team is where the 2011 email implicating Gruden came from. That email started the snowball because then others were discovered showing a pattern of bias that wasn't isolated but actually indicative of his character.

In a position of leadership and authority, Gruden cannot espouse biases and not be expected to have those same opinions when it comes to operating daily in a position of leadership and authority when it comes being fair, in your position of leadership and authority, to those people. Keyshawn Johnson apparently has said for years that Gruden is not a good person, it's just taken this long for the truth to be verified.

In this case, the old adage updated and applied "it is better to be thought an indecent human being, rather than to express yourself and remove all doubt" should have been his modus operandi...

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I understand that now. It does appear the investigation was


Oct 12, 2021, 2:58 PM
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legitimate, and is not just part of the cancel culture that has run amuck in our society today.

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Re: NOBODY was digging anything up on Gruden

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Oct 12, 2021, 3:21 PM
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I’m going to need to see more before I buy into the “pattern of bias” thing. So far I’ve heard about an email either making fun of someone’s appearance or hinting that he was a liar. Why is it that any time certain people’s appearance is made fun of it’s racist, but it’s ok the other way? Can’t you just say somebody’s funny looking anymore? Another one used naughty words to describe Goodell who never was his boss or anything. The words he used have probably been used by about 99% of men his age at some point or another. The only other damning email I’ve read about was one where he protested the drafting of a guy he didn’t think had a chance of making it in the NFL. He used a “slur” that is the preferred term of the group supposedly being slurred.

Also, if you say that nobody can lead an organization if they have any biases you are saying nobody can lead an organization. Do coaches need to be extraterrestrials or something or just sneakier?

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i'll just leave my last sentence for your consideration...


Oct 12, 2021, 7:09 PM
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because unfortunately, you're either uninterested or incapable of understanding historical references and facts when they are coupled with human nature and psychology...

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Re: NOBODY was digging anything up on Gruden


Oct 12, 2021, 8:55 PM
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And Mike Tirico who worked with Gruden for years, traveled the country and spent days at a time with him doing Monday Night Football said he did not see or sense anything racist from Gruden. If you respect someone, you treat them with respect no matter their race. Looking back at that all important history thing, I'm sure a man, MLK, said something to the affect ... judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Gruden obviously didn't respect a couple people including Goodell.

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Any email from or to a business or government address …

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:23 AM
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… is likely retained on a server somewhere.

I worked for a fortune 50 company for 30 years, _ they made it pretty clear company emails were their property similar to all other company documents. It would be reasonable that government and military would take a similar approach. Same for all web searches from company computers and other Internet data.

This has been common knowledge for 20+ years.

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Of course - it was dumb on Gruden's part to put comments

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:48 AM
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like that in an email. I know if I called my boss the names Gruden called Rodger Goodell, I'd be fired in a heartbeat. The problem here is that somebody went to the trouble to go back through years of Gruden's emails for a reason, and that reason wasn't routine, and it wasn't because they liked him. The danger here is that we all probably haven't left an electronic trail of insulting emails, but we've all said and done things we regret and things that could get us cancelled today, in 2021. It's unfair, it's mean, and it's wrong.

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Glad no emails, social media or texts when Hatfield was coach.

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:01 AM
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I might be serving time.

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Trophy Hunters


Oct 12, 2021, 9:01 AM
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are not what they used to look like with double Rifles of old.

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Well _ emails were discovered by Washington Football Team’s investigation…

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:24 AM
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into a long term sexist culture.

As they say, collateral damage.

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The emails were uncovered during an NFL investigation

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into former Washington team president Bruce Allen. Gruden was not the initial target of the investigation.

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Re: Of course - it was dumb on Gruden's part to put comments


Oct 12, 2021, 3:25 PM
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But Goodell wasn’t his boss. I don’t think he ever was.

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:38 AM
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A big thank you to the leftists culture all the liberals are propagating. They love putting down deplorables and any others that can easily be shown to be beneath them.

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Gruden was a bad boy - but be sure there is a PHOTO of him


Oct 12, 2021, 9:00 AM
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someone's wall as a TROPHY take down


not condoning the 10+ year old emails but he got Lined up on and Torpedoed

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:05 AM
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Jesus kinda put a lid on this way back when he said let the one without sin cast the first stone. At least the people back then had the decency and dignity to walk away.

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They walked away, for the most part, because


Oct 12, 2021, 9:22 AM
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internet service was VERY spotty.

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Oct 12, 2021, 2:18 PM
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Jesus also was always reprimanding the Pharisees/law makers(for the Jewish people) of his time. They would have so many rules and laws they would have sleeves that would be full of little scrolls of laws as reminders they made up and had nothing to do with how God viewed them, but they thought they were being righteous. They were blinded to there own demise of their souls which were ###### without realizing they were not righteous and needed a Savior who was right in front of them.

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:16 AM
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I agree with some of what you say, except Trump was a great president and I sure wish we had him back now.
The woke , racist LGBTQ and whatever else they find to call themselves are ruining the world!!!

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We are at a point where words can get you

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:41 AM
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cancelled faster than actions.
You can have a physical altercation, commit adultery, harass women etc. and you will be defended and even labeled a victim.

But if you utter or write anything that the left finds offensive, then your world WILL be terminated, no matter the circumstance or context.

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you should not need to qualify your statement.


Oct 12, 2021, 12:00 PM
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that is what is wrong with the current climate. Being afraid to have an opinion, is dangerous.

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Oct 12, 2021, 1:46 PM
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It's bc the media way of thinking and seeing things is that, good news will not sell as well as bad news that most want to hear about bc, it makes their day, or their life not seem as bad as they once thought it to be. Also if the bad news isn't bad enough, the media has a knack of twisting the truth for making it sound worse than it is, that is what they do very well, especial when the truth doesn't have the merit that it once did!!!! People sometimes never weigh the value of the truth to a lie, and that is bc if you write them both on a piece of paper the same size, they will weigh the same even though Lie has less letters, it's a space saver, and people just love space savers!!!;)

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Re: While I in no way condone any of Gruden's comments, the

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Oct 12, 2021, 2:06 PM
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Cancel culture

Getting older!

I remember freedom of speech and judge not.... Those were more peaceful and less divisive times.

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I agree 100%


Oct 12, 2021, 2:23 PM
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it's a witch hunt. And nothing in the past has ever happened. Its a wiping clean of history. terrible.

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I’m glad I grew up


Oct 12, 2021, 4:42 PM
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when I did. My mom just wash my mouth out with soap…..then she erased all the hard drives and burned them.

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Re: I agree 100%


Oct 12, 2021, 7:20 PM
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actually, a wiping clean of history would be ignoring that Gruden thought and behaved as an indecent human being behind closed doors amongst friends whose silence equates to complicity, and not holding him accountable...

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Oct 12, 2021, 5:56 PM
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Just to be clear...

- The initial email (Rubber lips) was from 2011. However, all the more recent racial slurs, etc was found as recent as 2018.

- Further (b/c I've seen this mentioned elsewhere), the emails were discovered during an investigation by the NFL into the Washington Football team. Someone didn't just hand them over. It was a witch hunt, it wasn't someone with a grudge trying to dig up dirt on Gruden.

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True but Do you really think these owners like Snider and Jones are good people? I mean look how Jones treated Tom Landry when he took over. Then made comments about how the Cowboy cheerleader outfits should be skimpier. You think all these guys haven’t said WAY worse than Gruden? I mean I’m speculating, but of course they have. They are “protected,” whether it be by power or what they know on other powerful people? They may not have been out to get Gruden, but for whatever reason he was not in, or fell out of, the protected crowd. Perhaps he crossed the wrong people at some point?

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Oct 12, 2021, 7:40 PM
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Excellent Post! This is one reason Trey
Gowdy got out of politics. If I were an honest politician I could not take enough showers to remove the scum and filth passed to me by Congressman like Polesi, Schumer, Biden, Harris and all of there cronies.

Ronald Reagan is the last President with the Character to occupy the Oval Office and Trey Gowdy as a Congressman.

The best people stay out of politics because everyone of us has some sin we want keep out of the public eye. And the media digs up as much dirt. I place much of the blame on the lame, shady media with not integrity or character.

During JFK’ time in politics the media refused to report JFK’s womanizing. The media also gave free passes to LBJ , RFK and Teddy Kennedy.

Thomas Dewey would have made a good President. He was an honest man with character and integrity.

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I agree. I only hope that my reply


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reaches TNet in time for posting.

I only post on TNet by snail mail. And only on paper that self-destructs after 30 seconds.

Go Tigers! I hope we beat GA Tech!

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:26 PM
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Maybe just not say stupid crap or make fun of people based on their looks, race, gender. Just saying. Reap what you sow.

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:56 PM
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powerman® said:

Maybe just not say stupid crap or make fun of people based on their looks, race, gender. Just saying. Reap what you sow.


That’s fair, but why are people of one race being fired / forcefully resigning for racial comments? It surely can’t be all one sided?

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Re: My Grandson's friend Caleb Kennedy got canned


Oct 12, 2021, 9:22 PM
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from American Idol because of a short video when he was 12 years old. Caleb and a friend had just watched a scary movie and his friend put a pillow case on his head being funny like one of the characters in the movie. Caleb was in final top five and had a good shot at winning. Caleb was not wearing anything but was having fun after the movie with his friend. Someone dug it up and Bam He was cancelled. Pretty sad when that can happen to a good kid trying to chase his dream. He would have gotten all kinds of help to try to make it big like the top five usually get. He is still grinding and playing but Cancel Culture put him back near square one.

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Cancel Culture Affecting Rolling Stones Tout


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We were fortunate to go to the Stones concert in Charlotte. After it was over, the wife asked did I miss Brown Sugar. I said no, they didn't play it. I found this article this week.

Keith Richards and Mick Jagger reveal why The Rolling Stones don't play 'Brown Sugar' anymore
https://www.nme.com/news/music/keith-richards-and-mick-jagger-reveal-why-the-rolling-stones-dont-play-brown-sugar-anymore-3066103


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Oct 12, 2021, 11:44 PM
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You are correct, Gruden should just own it! Trump is an un apologetic racist and half the country loves him....well more than half if you believe the election robery story.

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Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM
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I’ll be honest…… I woulda thought the Statue of Lamentations woulda run away by now.

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Oct 13, 2021, 7:25 PM
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Trump a racist? You Trump haters are pathetic. Remember if you don't vote for Biden, you ain't black.

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Oct 13, 2021, 6:14 AM
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+1 for "intellectual popsicles"

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Trump defrosted and went nutso, and when Biden is done,


Oct 13, 2021, 8:27 AM
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he probably won't even remember he won the election. Sad but true.

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