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Orange Phenom [14752]
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What do we have to show for 20 years of nation building?
Jul 1, 2021, 7:25 PM
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So after 20 years, over $2 Trillion in US debt spending, 2,300(+) American troops killed, 20,000(+) American troops wounded/injured, the Afghanistan military that the US built and trained is incapable of standing on its own as US forces pull out.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/?sh=427283a46c21
By this time next year we can reasonably expect the Taliban to have assumed total control of Afghanistan. This is the same outcome we would have had if we had left Afghanistan 18 years ago except we would not have thousands of American lives lost and trillions of dollars wasted. For the last 20 years the active duty prevailing General Officer party line (which was also supported by the elitist DC foreign policy establishment and the typical "warhawk" politicians) was to continue feeding American lives and dollars into this colossal failure. Why? Probably because perpetual war is good for the military industrial complex - they make money hand over fist overcharging us for their high tech crap. The intel community also loves war - they get all kinds of funding and authorization(s) to develop new gadgets they can then use to spy on all sorts of people - not just middle east terror cells. Most 3 and 4 star Flag Officers love perpetual military conflict - ensures they have big budgets while on active duty and lucrative jobs as a board member, advisor, or consultant to the military industrial complex making loads of money upon retirement.
We need start firing Generals who fail in their warfighting responsibilities while also taking a serious look at limiting what 3/4 star Generals are allowed to do in retirement (trust me - they make enough in military retirement that they don't need to be consultants to the MIC). We also need to consider that we have two generations of GO's that went along to get along with a failing strategy in Afghanistan. Where are the GO's who offered anything but a standard "nation building" strategy? Oh... that's right the officers coming up through the ranks that would have offered disengagement strategies long ago were never promoted to the General Officer ranks because the prevailing GO's only promote those that think like them thus ensuring the overall strategy never changes. This is what we get when we don't fire Generals for their battlefield failures - more failure...
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Ring of Honor [22122]
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Thoughtful post. Similar lesson to Viet Nam.***
Jul 1, 2021, 8:44 PM
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ABSOLUTE TRUTH... Thank the architects of 9/11...PNAC.***
Jul 1, 2021, 9:14 PM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108241]
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Pfft. What's $2,000,000,000,000 among friends?
Jul 1, 2021, 9:30 PM
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Spent that on one stimulus last year.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108241]
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Fwiw.... The Talibans exists today as does Afghanistan
Jul 1, 2021, 9:32 PM
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Because we funded their war with the Russians in the 80s.
What's that.... The enemy of your enemy is your friend until they're your enemy. Something like that.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108241]
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Saddam Hussein was our friend as long as he was
Jul 1, 2021, 9:34 PM
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Fighting Iran.
So many lessons.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108241]
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Peace in the country allows more agriculture
Jul 2, 2021, 11:33 AM
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And if your agriculture is poppy seeds, well.....
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That brings me to a question?
Jul 2, 2021, 9:29 PM
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Is pharma cocaine limited to a single country like opium?
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Ultimate Tiger [37749]
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dood, our generals are more worried about being woke.
Jul 1, 2021, 9:42 PM
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get yer head out of yer ace
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No, they want to wake up with that K Street job retirement.***
Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 PM
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Re: What do we have to show for 20 years of nation building?
Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 PM
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Unlimited cap on consulting fees Business meetings in Milan Never fly commercial Fat retirement Scores of Libyan women (they’re the best) Free sat phone, computers, IT on call Bad ### murdered out Tahoe What about you?
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What is 'Bad axx murdered out Tahoe'...?***
Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 PM
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Paw Master [17150]
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Re: What is 'Bad axx murdered out Tahoe'...?***
Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 PM
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Sweet.***
Jul 1, 2021, 10:03 PM
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RON PAUL WAS RIGHT***
Jul 2, 2021, 10:37 AM
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Should have listened to Ron Paul.***
Jul 2, 2021, 12:02 PM
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Re: What do we have to show for 20 years of nation building?
Jul 2, 2021, 1:58 PM
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That's sort of a narrow view. But let's play the game: Subtract $2T, no US presence, no US deaths, and pretend it never happened and what happens in year 1, 2, 3, ...
Are you imagining some utopia spontaneously happens over there? Are you suggesting in this scenario that the world would have achieved more peace and no terrorist attacks on the US? Surely, something good came of it or something bad was prevented from happening.
Like with Global Warming, if you cannot find one good outcome to cite with a warmer globe, then you are not an objective thinker. For example, longer growing season or a growing season in some parts of the world.
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