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Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?
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Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 10:43 AM

Mine would be Hootie Ingram in football and Larry Shyatt for basketball.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 10:54 AM

Ken Hatfield and Brad Brownell!! Shyatt was bad but not given 11 years like Brownell has done mediocrety!

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 10:57 AM

Hatfield was bad but he had a much higher winning % than Tommy West

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Hatfield was given a team in 1990 that was loaded with


Mar 21, 2021, 11:29 AM

future NFL talent. By 1992, we were a 5-6 team. The first losing season since 1976. That said, Ingram was worse than Hatfield, but it is a close call.

West was only hired because everyone missed Ford, and Tommy had been on Ford's staff. Nice guy, but not ready to be a head coach.

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Mar 21, 2021, 12:24 PM

Yeah he left and went to the coots. I’ll never forget him raising his arms like the coots won the world. Then we hired him with a losing record from chat. The worst by far. Tommy had no clue. Remember him taking 2 TOS to locker room and we were driving to beat G tech

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From a record standpoint, Ingram was 12-21, all three were


Mar 21, 2021, 12:56 PM

losing seasons. West record was 31-28, three winning seasons and two losing seasons. Red Parker was 17-25-2, one winning season and three losing seasons. Hatfield was 32-13-1, three winning seasons with bowl games, one losing season.

Not exactly great seasons overall. It is notable that both West and Hatfield each had three winning seasons. West had two losing seasons and Hatfield had one.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 1:54 PM [ in reply to Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ? ]

No comparison in the talent Bowden inherited compared to West's.

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Same here.***


Mar 21, 2021, 10:56 AM



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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 11:03 AM

The double B’s.

Bowden and Brownell.

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Disagree but they are kind of similar.


Mar 21, 2021, 12:19 PM

Both just a little better than mediocre. Both capable of "Clemsoning" - winning big games, losing games they should not lose. Both been at Clemson a decade or more because it's hard to pull the trigger on a firing when they are just borderline good.

Biggest difference is, personality-wise, Brownell is much more likable that Bowden, IMO.

Neither is the worst coach we have had in their sports.

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Shyatt and Hatfiedl. No contest.***


Mar 21, 2021, 11:11 AM



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Ingram made Hatfield look like Vince Lombardi.***


Mar 21, 2021, 11:15 AM



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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 11:13 AM

Tommy West and Larry Shyatt are the worst. In my 50 years of existence, I’d rank them as follows:

Football:
1) Swinney
2) Ford
3) Pell
4) Bowden
5) Hatfield
6) West

Basketball:
1) Purnell
2) Ellis
3) Barnes
4) Brownell
5) Foster
6) Shyatt

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 12:02 PM

Agree with all that except for Barnes and Ellis. They should be in front of Purnell. Purnell was equivalent to Brownell. Purnell won a lot of reg season games, but HE COULDNT WIN IN THE POST SEASON. Brownell is as good because he broke the curse. Ellis gave us the first and only regular season championship, took us to the elite 8 vs uconn. Barnes would have gotten us an acc championship, but board didnt want to match Texas

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 12:25 PM [ in reply to Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ? ]

Foster ???

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Mar 21, 2021, 12:29 PM [ in reply to Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ? ]


Tommy West and Larry Shyatt are the worst. In my 50 years of existence, I’d rank them as follows:

Football:
1) Swinney
2) Ford
3) Pell
4) Bowden
5) Hatfield
6) West

Basketball:
1) Purnell
2) Ellis
3) Barnes
4) Brownell
5) Foster
6) Shyatt


I'm 50 as well

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

I know Pell was only Head coach for 2 years but think he was a better coach than Danny .

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I agree with both of your choices.***


Mar 21, 2021, 11:21 AM



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Hootie Ingram brought us the Tiger Paw


Mar 21, 2021, 11:25 AM

Hootie Ingram brought us the Tiger Paw . That keeps Hootie off the bottom in my book.

Red Parker gets my vote as the worst football coach in Football. He said running down the Hill was stupid , and ended the tradition.

A close second is Ken Hatfield . He doesn’t get my vote , primarily because he was an “image” hire to get the NCAA off our backs.

As far as basketball, I would say Shyatt was the worst for the program , based on what he had on arrival versus what he left us with.

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Mar 21, 2021, 12:31 PM

the way I remember it, Hootie ended the tradition of us running down the hill... and Red Parker actually brought it back.

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Mar 21, 2021, 1:59 PM



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West and Shyatt easily


Mar 21, 2021, 11:27 AM

Lee for baseball
Itoro Coleman for women’s basketball

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West and Shyatt were the worst.


Mar 21, 2021, 11:29 AM

Bowden and Brownell aren’t the worst but they’ve had a way of causing me to have no expectations and making me numb to the results.

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Mar 21, 2021, 11:34 AM

Not from me, of course, it just be a saying. :)

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 11:35 AM

Tommy West - Football
Larry Shyatt - Basketball

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 11:45 AM

Red Parker
Larry Shyatt

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Hootie and Bobby Roberts.***Press Maravich was pretty bad.


Mar 21, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 11:57 AM

Hatfield and Shyatt for sure.

Hatfield took over a team that was expected to compete for the national title and ran the program straight into the ground. West was terrible but he should’ve never been hired. That one is on the administration.

I can’t stand Brownell, but Shyatt was a terrible coach , they couldn’t do anything right under him. At least Brownell‘s teams can play a little defense and run the clock.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 12:29 PM

Hatfield had a lot help from some big time iptay members tuning the program in the ground. He is still won of the best percentage wise. Didn’t like him but it was not all his fault. He did lose to uva

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OP you nailed it on worst coaches! My pics precisely!


Mar 21, 2021, 12:16 PM

Ingram and Shyatt and when they were let go it didn’t take long for both programs to make immediate improvements

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 1:00 PM

Tommy West (likable guy but horrible record) and I would have to say Brownell as far as getting us pumped up and letting us down

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 PM

Agree. Best are Dabo and Cliff Ellis.

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Mar 21, 2021, 2:35 PM

Ingram and West in FB, but Ingram gets the nod for worst due to The Hill debacle.

Shyatt in BB.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 2:57 PM

Larry Shyatt and Tommy West, both good guys who were in way over their heads.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 3:37 PM

West
Hatfield

Brownell

Shyatt

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

Football: West. became a decent coach later at Memphis, but we paid for his OJT. Hatfield wasnt liked by many but he had great careers everywhere he had been up to that point. His problem was he couldn't adapt and major College football wasnt going kind to a triple option dinosaur who was inflexible. His time at Rice was even uglier I recall.

Basketball: Who cares? See typical CU fan.. the best were ok, the worst just made me ignore it even more if that was possible.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 21, 2021, 6:15 PM

Bobby Roberts was 17 and 58 in my years at Clemson.
Hootie could lose to everyone.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 22, 2021, 1:08 PM

West and Shyatt. Comparing Shyatt to Brownell is a travesty. Shyatt had just one winning season and was 40 games under .500 in the ACC. Brownell has had only one losing season in 11 years and is only 4 games under .500 in the ACC.

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

West and Shyatt

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Re: Worst Clemson coaches for FB and BB in your lifetime ?


Mar 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

Bobby Roberts and Hootie Ingraham.

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