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Orange Blooded [2158]
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Time of Possession 2d Half
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Dec 11, 2024, 12:04 AM
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3D QTR
3 drives, 11 minutes 23 sec time of possession, 1TD
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4th QTR
4 drives, 5 minutes 56 seconds, FG (with time expired)
PUNT
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PUNT
FG
the 4th quarter inability to move the ball and flip field position or eat clock, opened the door for SMU to come back.
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
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Dec 11, 2024, 12:11 AM
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Yep. Offense did not execute in 4th quarter. It was not the 3 man rush that let SMU back in the game.
It’s even WOSRE in The USuCk game….20 minutes without offensive production…that’s 1/3 of the game. Those of us that understand football know it’s NOT Wes that has to go…
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Clemson Icon [25167]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Our D also probably kept their offense on the field too, which would limit our opportunities. I haven't looked at the numbers though.
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
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Dec 11, 2024, 6:34 AM
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That was why SMU tied the game. Our defense was gassed. Offense needs to learn how to put a game away with sustained drives in the 4th quarter.
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Orange Elite [5570]
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Wrongall quarters!
Dec 11, 2024, 8:15 AM
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Duh
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Ultimate Tiger [33728]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Right! We jump out to good leads but cannot run the ball and run the clock once we have the lead. Getting turnovers has given us short fields early in games and that’s how we get ahead. We are something like 5th in the nation in forced turnovers and I’m not sure where we rank in points off those turnovers but I’m thinking it’s pretty high. It is difficult to sustain 6+ minute drives of 80+ yards but the best teams can do it especially late in games when you have the lead.
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National Champion [7973]
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it's happened during pretty much every game this year
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Dec 11, 2024, 6:36 AM
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it's a complete and total joke at this point to think the opposition won't score 14+ in the 4th
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Clemson Conqueror [11997]
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Re: it's happened during pretty much every game this year
Dec 11, 2024, 11:41 AM
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We got to stop playing that stupid 4th quarter video. They even played it in Charlotte. Make the team earn it. Until they can dominate a 4th quarter, pull the plug.
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Re: it's happened during pretty much every game this year
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Dec 11, 2024, 11:57 AM
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Pretty sure you won’t see it at Texas.
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Orange Phenom [14405]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 6:59 AM
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As Dabo has stated, we haven't played a complete game yet. And no doubt we will need to at this point with the step up in competition.
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National Champion [7973]
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SC States coach said the same thing in an interview on WSPA channel 7
Dec 11, 2024, 7:24 AM
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it's coach speak ... sounds like poetry to the ear if you're hoping for it to happen one day
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Game Changer [1961]
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Stop, youre letting objective facts get in the way of Wes haters.
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Dec 11, 2024, 7:03 AM
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Nm
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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Well, it's both/and, not either/or . . . .
Dec 11, 2024, 11:23 AM
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part of the reason killing clock is necessary is because the D was porous. I'm not suggesting Coach Wes be fired, but the D had a hole the size of Neptune in it. Killing the clock was partly necessary b/c of that.
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Re: Well, it's both/and, not either/or . . . .
Dec 11, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Being able to run the ball and run the clock when you have a lead late in the game is football 101.
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National Champion [7529]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Seems to be the way we operate.
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No running game***
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Dec 11, 2024, 7:57 AM
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Rival Killer [2669]
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Remember the last drive of the 2019 CFP Championship (2018 Natty)
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Dec 11, 2024, 9:52 AM
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That is how you put a game away. We have done it many times.
I did notice against SMU that we were snapping the ball with 15-20 seconds on the play clock with the clock running. SMU would have never gotten the ball for their last drive if we had ran the play clock down to less than five seconds every play. I make a habit of tracking the time left on the play clock in the 4th quarter of games and many coaches don't seem to have the situational awareness to run the clock down. It also helps to have a semblance of a running game.
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Valley Protector [1498]
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Re: Remember the last drive of the 2019 CFP Championship (2018 Natty)
Dec 11, 2024, 9:56 AM
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Wait a minute. Remember the defense would not have been gassed if the offensive play call had been worth a shitz
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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Exactly. That is our typical M.O., and it's dumb as crap . . .
Dec 11, 2024, 11:27 AM
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the times when we put a game away smartly are few and far between. The 44-16 Bama game was simply an exclamation mark at the end of a game, it wasn't really how we put the game away. The game was already over by that point. But when a game is still at issue, and you play w/ the pace that you do in the first half, well, that's strategic stupidity.
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Ultimate Tiger [33728]
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Re: Exactly. That is our typical M.O., and it's dumb as crap . . .
Dec 11, 2024, 11:57 AM
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If you cannot run the ball and run the clock late in a game when you have the lead, it is sometimes better to run your normal offense at its normal tempo than to break your rhythm by changing the pace. By far the best choice is to run the ball and run the clock. I tjink sometimes we try to run our normal offense but at a different pace and it just doesn’t seem to work. I remember our offense struggling to try to run clock when DW4 was QB. I would almost rather need to score quick than to run out the clock at the end of the game. Kind of like getting under center, he just didn’t seem to be able to operate as effectively at a different tempo.
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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I just don't think it's justifiable . . .
Dec 11, 2024, 12:12 PM
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to take the risk of running at the normal pace when the upside is only a vague possibility (let's not "break rhythm") which may and often does fail anyway, and the downside - if it occurs, is definitive and compounded - you not only don't move the chains much, but you also milk no time off the clock. If you start affirmatively milking time early enough for it to matter - then being in or out of rhythm won't ultimately matter. I can't count the number of times when Clemson was protecting a lead that I said to myself, "well, if we could at least milk 2 and a half or three min off the clock here, even if we don't score," and then we're punting, 40 or 70 seconds later. It just kills chances to put the game away. Being a slave to "rhythm" such that you have to sidestep sound clock seems a backwards strategy. Part of the game necessitates being able to change the rhythm a bit in service to the unavoidable tangibles - if you don't leave them enough time, they won't score.
Given the number of times we've apparently used that strategy and still come up short, I"m convinced rhythm, while not unimportant, is and can be overrated.
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Rival Killer [2669]
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Just look at the Falcons in their last Super Bowl
Dec 11, 2024, 12:39 PM
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Had they simply ran the ball up the middle every play, ran the play clock down to two seconds before every snap and punted, they win. If you take 40 seconds off per play, three plays is over two minutes...
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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I know, right?
Dec 12, 2024, 9:08 AM
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I didn't see the Falcons game, but yes, that is part of the strategy.
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Solid Orange [1395]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 9:54 AM
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Coaches continue to shut down the offense after going up a little in the 4th out of fear of making a mistake. They play not to lose and it’s almost cost us three times this year, although twice we found a way to win. Almost did against SC. It’s the constant feeling of “one more score could ice this game” and it not happening
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Game Changer [1831]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 9:59 AM
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I think we often forget how critical the offense maintaining drives is critical to defensive performance so we then blame a totally gassed defense that has been on the field most of the 2nd half.
Then there was the mental impact of Haynes getting injured. I think that totally rattled the guys on offense and took all the wind out of their sails. They just played flat after that.
However, winning is not about the comeback. It's about making clutch plays when you really really need them. This is what they did inspite of laying down for the final 2 quarters.
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Ultimate Tiger [33728]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 12:02 PM
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I do agree that Haynes getting injured was a big factor. The way we finished the second quarter, I really believe running Haynes was a big part of the second half plan. And he was running pretty well in the second quarter. This I why I have always cringed when we put our featured running back on kickoff returns. But we have done that at least since Spiller was playing.
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Orange Beast [6296]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 11:08 AM
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And...drum roll...WHICH TEAM WON THE PRIZE? The W over-rules
that stats.
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Orange Blooded [2158]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 12, 2024, 12:05 AM
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was simply pointing out how SMU got back in the game, we gave them time to do it.
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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We always do that. It's a massive blind spot of Dabo . . .
Dec 11, 2024, 11:20 AM
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we've never been good at managing the flow of a game in that regard . . . we don't make affirmative attempts to kill clock early enough. And this is to say nothing of how conservative the play-calling should or shouldn't be at any juncture - which depends on a lot of things. But we're usually pretty oblivious to clock issues and clock-milking opportunities. We just play until time's up and usually with the same pace that you would in the middle of the second quarter.
Obviously, execution is a huge driver of that, too - I'm not saying it's all playcalling and such. If you don't convert, you can't keep the ball, so that is what it is. But there's an ebb and flow to things and not being able to move the chains OR at least keep the clock running incessantly (I mean, if you aren't going to convert, at least kill clock), is a real double-whammy. It's one thing to have to punt ... it's another to only kill 42 seconds or so in the process of an entire possession. That is frequently a problem for us when trying to protect a lead.
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Clemson Conqueror [11997]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Two muffed kick off returns had as much to do with our 4th quarter troubles as anything else. In addition to poor field position, giving Mo over to SMU and most notably taking out Haynes.
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National Champion [7605]
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Re: Time of Possession 2d Half
Dec 11, 2024, 11:43 AM
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Dabo Ball. Get a lead and sit on it, even if it is in the first quarter.
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