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Player retention NIL
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:32 AM
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This is the area we have been strong in NIL wise, and it will be tested this year. Now, we also have the revenue sharing that can be added to NIL money come July 1 to sweeten the pot.
We know these guys are in for major paydays: Cade, Parker, Williams, Wesco, Moore, Woods and Brown. Others, such as Miller, Woodaz, Terrell, and I'll throw in Capehart will receive nice offers. And we can probably assume Heldt has already negotiated a nice one.
By the estimates, we have top 20 NIL funds. Our strength, and focus, has clearly been retention of our top guys. We have a bunch to pay this year, honestly, the biggest group I can recall.
Do you agree with this philosophy? Knowing it likely limits us as far as the bidding wars we see for top portal guys out there.
I'll say, I do. Continuity does mean something. I think we still can add some quality portal guys here and there as we did with Heldt. And I do expect to see a few more, maybe even one more who is fairly highly rated. However I'd more expect a couple more like the WR who are hungry, looking to climb the ladder of competition. Guys who can play, provide depth, and add experience and know how, even if they may not be NFL prospects.
I personally think this is a wise approach. Avoid the roster turnover even big time programs are experiencing with some top players. I'm sure we're negotiating with our guys right now. Here's to keeping them all!
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Orange Phenom [14158]
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Re: Player retention NIL
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:40 AM
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Dabo seems to have the right approach. Use NIL for player retention, not bidding wars. We'll never win those. In the long run, the players will appreciate this, if they produce and deliver, then they will be rewarded.
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Unfortunately bidding wars will be a part of player retention
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:49 AM
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Other teams offering significant NIL money to the best players will always happen.
I am sure Cade will get huge offers, as well as Wesco/Moore on the offense. Sammy and Peter on defense will get offered big money also.
So the bidding wars will be in every facet of the game now, recruiting & retention.
It is a true free for all once the portal opens up for those 2 or 3 weeks!
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True, however I'm pretty sure the guys that chose us
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:14 AM
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in the first place had offers including money from other schools. They chose us for more than money. The hope is we can pay them well, and those values they chose with us still remain. If it's about top dollar, we likely lose most of those battles.
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I agree with you on that, certainly hope that is the case
Dec 23, 2024, 10:59 AM
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It is a new age and I am sure our staff has it as under control as it can be handled.
Keeping our key guys and filling spots, I have faith CDS will get it done.
With a few key pieces, our chances for another CFP and having a better overall season is highly possible.
Go Tigers!!
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This is destroying college football. The NCAA is too weak an organization
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:03 AM
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To enforce eligibility requirements such as sitting out a year when transferring, academic requirements etc,,.
It has essentially become professional sports on college campuses. Two long term repercussions will be loss of fan interest and universities realizing this doesn’t align with academic mission.
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The NCAA is a relic
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:16 AM
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It's always been wildly inconsistent and the courts have now made it meaningless. The conferences and congress are the only things that can eventually establish some enforceable guidelines
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102354]
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I don't want either of the branches of government involved in football.
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Dec 23, 2024, 10:06 AM
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They eff up every time they try to fix something.
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Dec 23, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Nick Saban pointed this out on College Gameday this weekend. He says there has to be contract and if the portal opening has to coincide with the academic calendar they should eliminate the fall portal so as not to put players in an impossible situation. He also said, and I agree, that NIL should require a contract period and players should be required to fulfill their contracts until the end or lose eligability. This would eliminate players like Penn State's Beau Pribula essentially having to choose between go now or lose a good stating spot on another team and wanting to playout the Play-offs with Penn State. It also eliminates the catastrophy the Marshall saw that took them out of their bowl game.
His model has players able to switch after spring practice at the worst, but no players leaving right before play-off or Bowl games.
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Re: The NCAA is a relic
Dec 23, 2024, 11:24 AM
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If the winter transfer window ends, then spring practice will as well. Many of these teams build their starters with the portal and it’s pretty useless to start practicing without your starting QB for the next season.
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Re: Player retention NIL
Dec 23, 2024, 10:19 AM
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Yes, I agree with this approach but I would use upfront Nil when I had to for much needed positions and also for important and needed portal needs. What would it cost to get Dale Hatcher as our punter to return😁
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Re: Player retention NIL
Dec 23, 2024, 11:31 AM
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It’s a great philosophy IF you can also have world class coaches.
It’s not rocket science.
- Physical Development has severely deteriorated over the past few years
- Very few examples of technique/growth from multiple position groups heading into the NFL draft
That in my mind would be the best blend of all. Reserve the majority of funds for retention of existing players, and allocate a small portion for meaningful impact players we could bring in. If I’m a high schooler or a portal player or more importantly a parent that’s something I can buy into.
I know if I come to Clemson I’m going to develop into the man I’m meant to be.m and get a good education. As a player I’m going to be given every opportunity to make it to the NFL, to learn from people that are consistently producing NFL talent. I know I’m going to a place where I’m rewarded for staying and developing. And if for some reason I can’t make it to the NFL there is a world class coaching pipeline where I can earn my stripes as a GA under some of the best to see if I want this which will open doors up for me in the future at other big schools. Once I’ve proven st another place come back and repeat the process. Don’t just build a coaching tree, build an ecosystem that can flourish with the tools of today.
Emphasize family atmosphere, culture, retention, excellence in all phases. That way you can still have X amount of players on staff but they’re not 1st time position coaches or coordinators, they’re GA’s.
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Re: Player retention NIL
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:42 AM
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the rev share will just inflate the market more b/c it's across the board for everyone essentially and all the "football first" programs will allocate as much of that $20million to football, therefore not creating any more disparity amongst the elite program competition.
the focus should be (and always should have been) to use NIL to do BOTH. RETAIN and ACQUIRE. Retain the RIGHT players..........lead w/ NIL to acquire the right players in both High School AND Portal. Dabo finally biting the bullet and taking a true impact type player(s) from the portal gives me hope he realizes that it can no longer be ignored if he wants us to get back to ELITE level.
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With our situation
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:07 AM
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we know we'll never have the deepest pockets. In recruiting this year, we reportedly identified Davidson and Adams as guys we would match some offers on, and did. We also know quite a few walked for higher bids. I expect this to be a trend everywhere.
What rev share will do is allow teams like us to pay more while also still selling the culture. If it comes down to being the top bid, we likely lose. But if a kid does value other things, those extra $$ hopefully can help.
I think player evaluation becomes even more important, as funds will be limited at some point when competing against these mega rich programs. Can we identify FCS or non group of 5 guys looking for opportunity who can be so called "good football players" who may not fit the elite athletic profile. We've always had guys like that, and they've helped us win championships.
Honestly, this is where I think Belichick may be on to something, with how he is looking to set up NC, with basically an NFL scouting and FO approach. I can see us moving in that direction also. A football GM, scouting, and negotiating money. The model for both retention and acquisition is changing, and likely will be evolving over the next several years.
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Re: Player retention NIL
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:55 AM
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For now, I think that works. But, things are going to quickly escalate as the dollars get bigger and the arms race gets tougher. Like it or not, we are going to have to come to grips with how we do both better.
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Dec 23, 2024, 8:56 AM
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Both, meaning recruiting and retention…
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No disagreement there
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:30 AM
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And I do believe we're adjusting. Most believe the coming changes through the settlement will at least bring a little more order than we have now, but this will be a fluid process for several years.
We're officially in the portal, which is good. I think this past recruiting year really opened our eyes, as we've never experienced anything like it. And I believe we make adjustments.
Dabo can be stubborn. Most great coaches are quite frankly. But, and hear me out, I think in the long run, that's a good quality. Dabo wants to win, but also retain the culture. He won't compromise that, but we can see the adjustments. He wants to get back to the mountain top. He's evolving his approach. To slowly for some, but he is evolving. But he will do so within his values structure. But the guy is a fierce competitor and wants to get back to the top. I have no doubt of that like some
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Re: No disagreement there
Dec 23, 2024, 10:30 AM
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Agree. The best coaches and leaders always have a stubborn streek. They believe in themselves until they can be convinced they are wrong. The great ones then will admit they are wrong but the real failures have to much pride and will go down with the ship. No one was any more stubborn than our past coach Danny Ford. You did not tell him which tobacco to chew.😀I have seen a bit of a change in Dabo after the 7 recruits were bought out from him. We can’t operate a program if that continues.
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Dec 23, 2024, 9:52 AM
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Good post Striperfan. I think NIL will just be another recruiting tool that Dabo can use to pay a player, and still sell the culture of Clemson FB. Kids (and their parents) still value the culture he has built, and want to play for Clemson because of that. With rev share, from my perspective, it keeps us in the conversation with everyone else that is paying a talented player, enabling the player to see the benefits of the culture he'll get with coming to a place like Clemson, and therefore (hopefully) making a choice for Clemson. Not getting into a bidding war, but being able to be competitive in this evolving CFB landscape. It will help with retention also, as you, and others have mentioned, rewarding players for great contributions on the field.
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We don't recruit players who are only concered with money.
Dec 23, 2024, 10:02 AM
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If we continue in that, the transfers for money only will be few and far between. That is why Dabo's attitude toward the portal is as it is. He isn't interested in paying millions for a player who is willing to take a bit more to leave.
IDK why every adult here doesn't get that. I do not believe Clemson will fall off the map, I believe we will win and have many chances to win them all.
In my heart I know Dabo is right and he was steered by Divine guidance which happened long before the NIL lawsuit was filed.
I NEVER, ever want Clemson to bid on players, negotiations are fine but being part of an auction is off limits when humans are being auctioned off, it's immoral, akin to pimping.
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Re: We don't recruit players who are only concered with money.
Dec 23, 2024, 10:13 AM
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I think the point is that over time paying players will become the norm and the expectation and eventually we will adapt to what aligns with our values and our objectives. We can still be different but circumstances out of our control will dictate a need to adapt at some level.
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Considering our roster today is supposedly 5th in the country in
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Dec 23, 2024, 10:10 AM
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star power, I'd say Dabo has done a masterful job of utilizing our limited NIL to maximum effect during this roll out period. His emphasis on HS recruiting, retention, and program culture over bidding wars is delivering above our weight from a talent standpoint. As revenue sharing helps narrow the gap and select portal usage improves, this approach should only improve our standing.
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Dec 23, 2024, 10:32 AM
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Problem with using it primarily for retention in my mind is that if all the other schools are using it to recruit high school players and we are not then the overall talent on the roster will continue to go down. Then you have a roster full of 2 and 3 star players that you are retaining. Underwhelming. Occasionally we may get lucky and sign highly ranked kids who are attracted to Swinney’s faith-based messaging, but I think we are seeing that that is not going to be enough to field a top ten team on a regular basis the way it was pre-NIL.
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Dec 23, 2024, 10:48 AM
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One thing that should make a difference (but won't) is that when they leave they will have a degree unlike most of the playoff schools and Bama
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