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Heisman Winner [87297]
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Why is it such a big deal for National Guard to be in Chicago?
Oct 7, 2025, 10:05 PM
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I will preface by saying I’m a moderate republican and have been independent before, I’ve voted for people on both sides frequently.
So people are upset that a federal agency (ICE)is there to get people that are illegal in the country and breaking the law? Then 200 National Guard come to just protect the ICE facilities b/c the Chicago Police were called back by the Mayor when things escalated a few days ago?
I don’t know about you but I prefer law and order. I want people to be legal in this country just like if I lived in any other country. It’s like this is a giant piaassing contest now and people just need to chill.
I obey the law and expect everyone else to obey or face consequences for actions. That’s a fundamental part of society. Hammurabi Code from 1754BC. Without consequence for actions it all falls apart.
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Re: Why is it such a big deal for National Guard to be in Chicago?
Oct 7, 2025, 10:18 PM
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What are your thoughts on the other cities the military is being deployed?
Should all policing be done by the military?
If you are going to send the military from one state to another against the governor of that state's wishes, it's probably not a good idea for the Commander in Chief to threaten war on the city the military is being sent.
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Heisman Winner [87297]
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You didnt answer anything.
Oct 7, 2025, 10:22 PM
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You just asked if it went further and further what would I think. I’m asking about currently why? Not some made up conspiracy theory like the far right before the election stocking up on staples, and making sure they aren’t traveling to avoid some giant riot when trump won.
It never happened but those far right sure thought it would. They were convinced it would. Same thing here, it’s fear mongering. Both far sides are guilty of it EVERY DAY.
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: You didnt answer anything.
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Oct 7, 2025, 10:35 PM
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You do understand the military is already patrolling other cities right? And Trump is looking to expand this. At the moment a judge has blocked him from sending troops to Portland, which he has said is burning to the ground. It is not burning to the ground. That is fear mongering. This is the current situation.
I do not want the military occupying American cities.
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Heisman Winner [87297]
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Still dodging the question but seems like
Oct 7, 2024, 11:18 PM
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It’s bc military are in a city enforcing law and order. Again I ask, what is wrong with that?
Or is it that you think in a few years trump will stage some coup and take control of the state governments? Bc that will never happen, nor any other conspiracy theory about how we will be fascist and have a king trump.
Same as if Kamala won we wouldn’t be socialists in 4 years. I just dislike the far sides of both. The reality is Trump will be gone in 3 years. I’m sure by then the far right will be fear mongering that whoever democrat wins will be a socialist and give all the upper/ middle classes money to the lower class.
Again, that won’t happen. Give yer balls a tug of you believe it will.
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: Still dodging the question but seems like
Oct 7, 2025, 10:46 PM
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I directly answered your question.
I do not want the military occupying American cities.
You do not have to accept this answer.
And stop saying stupid #### like this - Give yer balls a tug of you believe it will.
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Heisman Winner [87297]
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But why?
Oct 7, 2025, 10:49 PM
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The original question asked why. Not just a vote of yes or no.
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: But why?
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Oct 7, 2025, 10:54 PM
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Der herp "yous just don't want law and order"
I do not want this to trigger a civil war, which given the mental state of the President (see below) could happen. Plus, in general, the military occupies cities in authoritarian regimes.
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"Bc that will never happen"
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Oct 8, 2025, 7:22 AM
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Why will it never happen? Because people who oppose Authoritarians will resist it?
But they're not opposing a clear authoritarian move of sending in the military to localities that disagree with them. What makes you think those people would oppose future authoritarian moves?
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Because Posse Comitatus is an actual law on the books?
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:26 AM
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We have a President that is, quite literally, usurping every law in the Constitution he doesn't believe he has to follow by declaring an emergency. Trump has declared...9, so far? More? And none of them, not a single one, are legitimate "emergencies".
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: You didnt answer anything.
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Oct 7, 2025, 10:44 PM
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And I certainly do not trust someone who would post something like this to make these calls.
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Heisman Winner [87297]
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So he is lying that it is burning then why would troops hurt?
Oct 7, 2025, 10:49 PM
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I mean besides tax dollars. Why would it matter for troops to be in Portland? Not to mention it has over 10k homeless people, many on drugs, and that’s costing the city 700 million a year to address. Prob over a billion a year by now.
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: Nice edit to actually answer. Lutz***
Oct 7, 2025, 10:56 PM
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The answer piece didn't change
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LAW AND ORDER!!!!!!!!
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Oct 8, 2025, 10:45 AM
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SVU was the best of those shows, IMO
I am hoping he is just playing ignorant with his comment/responses.
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TigerNet HOFer [124211]
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He is advocating for military occupation of American cities, plain and simple,
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Oct 8, 2025, 10:48 AM
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and he cannot understand why that is not a good idea.
No American should be for this.
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All-TigerNet [5882]
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If the residents of Portland are ok with their current situation
Oct 8, 2025, 9:40 AM
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Why should the Army be used to force them to change their situation?
Any alleged issue with Portland is only impacting people who willingly live there.
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What da fuq is our military supposed to do about homeless people?
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Oct 8, 2025, 12:47 PM
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Good Gawd, man. This are all local issues and local voters can vote to make change. Sending in the #### Army is absurd and quite the opposite of conservative.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52198]
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There are red cities and states with far worse crime problems.
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:37 AM
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Why isn't the NG being deployed there? Why only blue cities?
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: There are red cities and states with far worse crime problems.
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:46 AM
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Last I checked, Spartanburg and Columbia have higher crime rates than Portland. As you probably know if you are in certain parts of Spartanburg at night you need to have your head on a swivel and probably best to be packing.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52198]
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Re: There are red cities and states with far worse crime problems.
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Oct 8, 2025, 9:50 AM
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Yup. Growing up, there were places I wouldn't go at night, and I probably still wouldn't go there now. I actually feel far safer walking around a big city at night.
This is all for political and nefarious purposes by the Trump admin.
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Username does not check out.***
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Rival Killer [2870]
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Because they are there to support activities such as this:
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Oct 7, 2025, 11:17 PM
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-immigration-raid-on-chicago-apartment-building-leaves-residents-reeling-i-feel-defeated
There’s a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. No warrants, no due process, just rounding up anyone brown, including US citizens. Deploying the military against citizens based on lies about crime and riots (Portland and Chicago aren’t burning) is wholly un-American. If you want to deport illegal immigrants, fine. I don’t agree with it unless they are true criminals, but that’s my opinion. But violating people’s rights (including citizens and legal immigrants) and due process is not the way to do it.
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Ultimate Tiger [37228]
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Re: Because they are there to support activities such as this:
Oct 7, 2025, 11:19 PM
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You forgot Memphis, LA, and DC
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There is also a similar Law and Order rationale for the Military in elections
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Oct 8, 2025, 3:22 AM
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In order to have fair elections.
US military troops need to be at all polling places, verify voter eligibility, have full control over ballot boxes and the counting / certifying of results.
Military run elections need to be done because local cities and states can’t maintain law and order. The Federal government needs to run all elections starting with certifying voter eligibility.
The “Law and Order” advocates are all about controlling elections from start to finish.
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All-TigerNet [5882]
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So you believe in a strong federal government and a weak state and local
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Oct 8, 2025, 7:03 AM
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government?
You want to make this about illegal immigration, but the use of the national guard isn't about immigration status. It's about forcing the police state onto the state and local citizens who don't want it.
Historically, that's been a pretty frowned upon position by the Republican Party. But it seems like the modern Republican Party wants an authoritarian state where the rights of individuals are limited.
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Hammurabi Code? Wut?
Oct 8, 2025, 8:14 AM
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You believe in an eye for an eye? We should cut off the hands of drug dealers, or what?
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Re: Why is it such a big deal for National Guard to be in Chicago?
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:23 AM
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I will try to answer, but as a lifelong civilian, I find myself on the outside looking in. In simple terms, the problem arises in that this isn't what the military is trained to do. What do we expect them to do once they are sent in? It has indeed turned into a political struggle where one party doesn't trust the other to take any action. The natural reaction to that is a push back in a way that justifies the other sides point. What about the average person on the street? While the power struggle is going on, you have state and local law enforcement asking what they are supposed to do. At the same time, you have national guard asking the same question. End result is chaos.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52198]
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Exactly. They're not trained for law enforcement.
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:41 AM
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I have a neighbor who was a Marine. He was furious over the L.A. deployment. He said, "We are trained to do mainly one ####### thing, and policing a city ain't that."
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does your respect for the rule of law extend to the
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First Amendment?
how about the Fourth Amendment?
how about the Fifth and Sixth Amendments?
Seventh Amendment?
When the executive branch is violating the Bill of Rights, it is breaking the law.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52198]
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Because law enforcement can handle it
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:36 AM
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The military isn't supposed to be deployed to United States cities to be used against U.S. citizens. This is a no brainer, and any real conservative will know this goes against the 10th Amendment.
This isn't for law and order. Trump and his admin are trying to start unrest and turn the military on citizens to secure his power. If you don't see that, I'm not sure what else to say.
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Heisman Winner [87297]
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The military has been deployed many times for law and order.
Oct 8, 2025, 8:56 AM
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Throughout our history. Federal troops have been deployed. This isn’t a first time thing
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Re: The military has been deployed many times for law and order.
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In rare circumstances, in a real emergency and not to multiple cities at once. And typically this call is made by state governors. The last time the National Guard was Federalized was over a half century ago.
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Also, take note of the meme Trump posted
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:39 AM
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You think this is about keeping law and order? A meme referencing napalming the #### out of people in a movie?
This is about starting war with the American people. C'mon, man.
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Re: Also, take note of the meme Trump posted
Oct 8, 2025, 8:56 AM
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If Trump had said or done nothing else, this post alone should trigger something in people's minds that this man is insane.
But hey, apparently I'm just a left wing nut now 😆
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I find it humorous how Trumps diet and exercise plan is AI photography.***
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Re: I find it humorous how Trumps diet and exercise plan is AI photography.***
Oct 8, 2025, 9:24 AM
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He might be 225 there 😆
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Keep in mind that Trump is just an Internet troll...who happens to have power
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Oct 8, 2025, 9:35 AM
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to do many of the things he trolls about.
IF he framed the NG coming in only to protect ICE (federal agents) while they do their jobs, then he likely has a leg to stand on...the judge in Cali ruled in his favor.
BUT - he's framing it as a "tough on crime" operation, which the NG has no business being involved in at all. I suspect the courts will use his own trolling against him.
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Re: Keep in mind that Trump is just an Internet troll...who happens to have power
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On Chicago, he framed it as going to war. Trump is too foolish to understand that his words matter.
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Re: Well, the Portland warzone looks positively dangerous.
Oct 8, 2025, 10:39 AM
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I don't see how they can breathe with all of the smoke from the burning buildings.
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The undocumented immigrants arriving and staying here in the US has
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largely been sanctioned by local, state, and federal government for decades. That they are here 'illegally' is in essence just a technicality due to zero political backbone in Congress to codify the process. I say 'sanctioned' as the overwhelming majority find meaningful and productive work spread over many industries, often in critical roles that have kept the US economy humming and overall improved each citizen's quality of life as a result. They are hired by American firms and paid by American firms in every state. Our low unemployment numbers are a testament to how much in demand they have been, and still are, in our society.
ICE tactics today under Trump is essentially state-sponsored domestic terrorism. Masked agents ambushing brown people at work, home, schools, hospitals, churches, parking lots, city streets - you name it. The goal is simply to strike fear into communities and upset the daily routines of peaceful people - which is the aim of terrorist acts.
Deploying the National Guard under false and phony pretenses, which is what's happening today, targeting political opposition areas with the threat of deadly force, is anti-American on every level and an outright assault on the rule of law and the guarantee granted to states as a critical tool in a decentralized federal government that our Founders sought, and which has been largely preserved for centuries. The President has literally declared war on American cities and their people. He's said it, and he's trying to fulfill it. He's lighting fuses on powder kegs at every opportunity and sitting back for the spectacle to play out on TV, and further devolve the US into an unfree police state at the mercy of one man's whims.
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You hit the nail on the head***
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Because it's illegal....
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Oct 8, 2025, 12:51 PM
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Because it's on false pretenses.
Because Chicago doesn't need military "help".
Because we live in a country where people shouldn't have their own military pointed at them.
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I really don't understand why this is hard to grasp.***
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